What if they are after an Amendment, but its not the Second

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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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I sat reading some of the Threads here on ATS...


Ban the Gun, Repeal the Second Amendment

It covers a British individual falsely trying to claim guns kill people....


Was there a second gunman involved in this recent school shooting?

A thread on the speculation and proof over a second shooter


Mass Shooting Conspiracy...

a thread trying to cover the information being hidden

one poster even mentioned reports of a 'police officer' in the building before the cops got there....



None of these threads are mine, but I have chosen to follow them because of the nature of the events not feeling right...


This has been brewing in my head for a day or two... The final piece came last night...

Yes it appears the liberals want to make sure america is unarmed..
The problem is that they are not that smart
nor do they have the political will
and my central philosophy is that it is about power not about whats right...

It is that last part that is key...

Every american can agree that the people in washington are NOT looking after them...

With this in mind it hit me..

I am a corrupt politician who has sold all the sheep my product... what do I want

CT police warn of possible prosecution......



In a weekend press conference, Lieutenant Paul Vance told the media that the "misinformation" being shared on social media sites has become a "major concern." Vance further stated his department has had discussions with federal authorities about the plausibility of pursuing charges against those who intentionally share false information or who may try to impersonate the shooter, his family, or anyone else involved in the situation.

"It is important to note that we have discussed with federal authorities [that] these issues are crimes," Vance said. "They will be investigated and prosecutions will take place."



Add in a dash of another thread here

Facebook now suspending Accounts which question Mainstream Media Reporting/Account of events

A questionable thread... however I have noticed the trend on other websites... where people get those in charge to remove material they find to be wrong...

Wikipedia, Facebook, Twitter, Military.com, and Youtube are all very guilty of this


It made me think a lot over this... what tools do you have in place for a control measure

NDAA...

What happens if you try to use the NDAA bluntly... You will get the response similar to SOPA... everyone up in arms over you taking power... no you have to get them to give it to you...

You see the tactic here is to make it look like your aiming for the guns and settle for SOPA like control

Guess what not to many people are going to argue against it...

You do not think it is gonna work...

Define Free speech
Now think real hard about those definition

The courts have placed rules into place that curtail free speech
- can you yell fire in a theater

-[I can't define what is pornography.] "But I know it when I see it."
popular paraphrase of Potter Stewart, opinion in Jacobellis v. Ohio (1964)

-the arrest of the man who made the film that supposedly made the anti-muslim film... it supposedly caused the mid-east to riot three months into its trailers and movie release


Now the reasoning

Your first move is not to take the guns.... it is in the plans but it is not the first move...

You limit communication... this way you deny your opponent as much of his ability to mount a resistance as possible...



Extra Evidence

protest zones-

FISA warrants for library patrons list

noise ordinances

Citizens United v FEC

no vetting of the president during 1st campaign

Patriot act


In conclusion:

Taken all together..
1) there was an extra person at the school and it is being covered up ... making this an execution

2) it was done for control... the evidence points to the first amendment not the second


My final bit of proof... it should take about ninety days for the first officers involved in the shooting to be dead.. they have seen the face of the second shooter...

Your not going to overcome the guns rights lobby... however you can fluff the gun lobby and pull the ole switcheroo last minute and hit the 1st


My gf asked the most important question in all of this...

Why kill a group of children?

You have to have a touch of evil to understand this motive. Washington has it in spades... A nation numb to this violence can be goosed for one thing afterwards... The first set of killing did not have the effect wanted so ... This gives them a one shot to get something...

I would go after the First amendment... It allows you to control the narrative and civility of the conversation... your opponents lose before the conversation begins... you can strip guns by region at your leisure with no argument because you control communication...
edit on 18-12-2012 by ripcontrol because: newspeak is not freespeak




posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:08 PM
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but have you ever told someone on the street to just shut up? It doesn't go that well because let's face it, we are Americans and we love to talk # and shoot guns. It's in our nature, it's why we love Bruce Willis and Clint Eastwood and a thousand other 'bad-asses' both in and out of Hollywood.

It's money honey and that ain't no conspiracy. Sad truth to the world of today, there is more cash in mass bloodshed of the truly innocent then in compelling and original stories that move us to be better people. It's cheaper to tell you about some nutjob with a gun for 12 hours or more without getting any of the facts right then it is to come up with a one hour investigation into a subject that truly matters.

In other words, if George Orwell had known about the true power of Cell phones and the Internet he would have stopped writing 1984 and went out drinking instead.
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:09 PM
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reply to post by ripcontrol
 


Now there's a very logical conspiracy... this is very well thought out and articulated. Certainly a new angle to consider.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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Excellent Thread.
This is exactly what is happening.

Do we have list of names for the first responders?
We need to keep a close watch on there wherabouts.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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reply to post by Thorneblood
 


Actually I have... and the first minute was a matter of being sized up


I have also seen two different old men do it with saggers..(those with saggy britches..) their was that measuring phase...


I disagree with the aspect of it being the media overacting at first... the disappearance of the man in cuffs...


A man was arrested and then zilch on it...



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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reply to post by OptimusSubprime
 


Thank you for your support...

I had a lot more to add to it but I went with the idea more is less...



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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reply to post by ripcontrol
 


It's interesting you bring this up.

I'm on the Westboro thread
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Debating with someone who stated that free speech can be counter-productive.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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I have not seen one...

Well ATS it is a challenge worthy of ATS... the coming deaths associated with this case will rise

We will have to include the survivors of this... some witnessed this...and their information might contradict the official version...

I think the first death will be one of the surviving staff...then the officers...

My gut says this... there is a side note....

The cops have a clear look at the face of the man who may be the second shooter... it means they have his fingerprints to...

They may have some insurance...



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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reply to post by ripcontrol
 


Fair enough, i don't know what your built like, but would it be that easy on a national level?

As for a man in cuffs and nothing after it, so what? He couldn't have just been detained by over eager cops in a nightmarish situation or even simply arrested by mistake. For awhile they got the kids name wrong, have you seen what his brothers facebook page was like as it was happening?



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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reply to post by ripcontrol
 

Some interesting thoughts OP.
While a lot of attention is being paid to conspiracy theories surrounding (emanating from) inconsistensies in numerous aspects of the story (stories) put forth in the media...and
"bashing" of those putting forth these theories is growing just as out-of-hand...
there is also the possibility that goes in line with the statement -
"Never let a good tragedy go to waste"...

There may have been no government plot tying any of these recent tragedies together...
There may be no "illuminati" behind the scenes (tipping off the director/producer/etc of The Dark Knight Rises)...
There may have been no foreknowledge of Sandy Hook - and Hurricane Sandy (did you know that the Iowa State "Cyclones" will be playing the University of Tulsa "Golden Hurricane" in a bowl game in a few days...?)...
There was probably no subliminal connection between the pastor in Newtown, CT, who was pastoring in the Denver area at the time of the Columbine massacre...
...etc...
But -
I have no doubt that many on all sides of the policy-grinder...are doing everything they can to take the many "unknown" facts, pieces and innuendos of this tragedy...to mold it into the story - that will best serve their cause/s.
I wouldn't be surprised if they (some of them) didn't participate in putting out some of the tainted facts...to add clouds to other people's/group's agenda(s)...

Your suggestion is just as possible or probable as any I've seen.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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reply to post by beezzer
 


I agree replied to your statement and you are correct free speech is not counter productive....



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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reply to post by Thorneblood
 


actually I have gotten a little bit out of shape... I have found it is what you emanate... the ones around you sense it... or maybe just the subtle non-verbs either way ...


As for the missing person in handcuffs... allow me to correct and add to the information

businessinsider sandy-hook-shooting-gundman-2012-12



Following the shooting, Police were "questioning a handcuffed suspect in connection with the Newtown school shooting," the Connecticut Post tweeted. A witness told Jany that a man "was led out of the woods by police in handcuffs." Connecticut State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance told reporters that there was only one shooter.



Examiner one man in hand cuffs per witness




The suspect, who was dressed in "camo pants with a dark jacket' told parents outside the school that he "didn't do it," as he passed by them with police, according to the unnamed witness.


and

CBS news...



CBS News reports that a potential second suspect was in custody and that SWAT was investigating the home of the suspect. It was not known if that alleged second suspect fired any of the shots in the massacre.



then nothing on the second guy



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 02:01 PM
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Thank you... you brought up some of the factors present.. they are keystone points...

I feel the that among the things that will push it over this point will be if they kill the witnesses post 90 days.....



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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reply to post by ripcontrol
 


I do see the 1st and 2nd Amendments under fire here.

With Westboro, OWS, Tea Party, gun laws, NDAA, TSA, DHS, we are losing more freedoms by the second!



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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So basically you think that if President Obama came on TV tomorrow and said your 1st amendment is revoked over 50% of the country would be ok with it?



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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Obama would never say that.

He'll just get on tv and say, "Hate speech is now against the law!"

(YAY goes the crowd)

Then Obama will continue. "The US government now classifies Westboro as hate, Occupy as hate, Tea Party as hate, Catholics as hate, evangelicals as hate, gun owners as hate, Jews as hate, smokers as hate, libertarians as hate, conservatives as hate, rich people as hate, business owners as hate, Constitutionalists as hate. . . . . . . . . . . "



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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And they don't qualify as hate groups now because?

I am sorry i just don't see it, maybe Romney would have had the balls and the money to pull that #, but not Obama.

And if i am wrong i will happily lead a proper revolution in my new community sector with the properly hacked hover drones (If iran can do it, so can we), massive weapon caches (Wa state resident, and not the seattle area either), and the many home based shops around here we could easily control the city for miles or even take the AFB.

In short, i am really not worried.

Damn the Man! Fight the Power!
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posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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Nobody at the school has ever heard of Nancy Lanza - SHE NEVER WROKED THERE

the thread is interesting-

apparently the lady did not officially work there

either she was a volunteer or a sub


multiple sources have been listed in the article



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 09:23 PM
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S&F. very well written, and very plausible. I think they want the Second gone, but that would be a tough one. So, go after the targets most likely to bring about a strong response. Meanwhile, work on the First, as they are doing. Yes, totally agree there. Not just social media, but the average person, even, stating that there should be more "restrictions" on "free speech". The WBC thread is one good example, and there will be more.

The real irony is that those calling for certain people's, or groups', rights to be restricted don't think their own rights should be at all. For example, how many claiming that WBC should not have free speech rights for their admittedly warped beliefs would say the same thing about the atheists placing anti-Christian, and highly offensive, billboards all over? What it really boils down to is that the PC crowd thinks it's about free speech for them, and not for those that disagree with them.

That's the rub, of course. Whoever is in change decides who is restricted. In this case, we need to watch CLOSELY. First, if anyone can get a list, as someone already suggested, of the first responders, that would be a great thing to keep an eye on. Next, watch the various message boards that we all use, and see what people are saying. They will need public sentiment to pull that one off, and they might well get it.



posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
...The real irony is that those calling for certain people's, or groups', rights to be restricted don't think their own rights should be at all.
...What it really boils down to is that the PC crowd thinks it's about free speech for them, and not for those that disagree with them.
...That's the rub, of course. Whoever is in charge decides who is restricted. In this case, we need to watch CLOSELY...

Good point.
So - what do you think... Sit back and wait to see if we happen to be on the winning side (meaning - we don't get restricted and get to do the restricting)...or... ...well, I don't think there's a whole lot else we can do. Do you?
Am I repeating myself?





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