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Ban the Gun, Repeal the Second Amendment.

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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by SweetChild
Criminals generally aren't smart enough nor ambitious enough to build a gun.


So?

They just buy them from someone who is.
That is how the black market works.




posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by anglodemonicmatrix
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My friend has a 357 magnum which we fire regularly Im not a mug with a gun I will hit one of the black circles but a headshot under duress is the realm of special forces my friend.


No, it simply requires lot's of spent casings, muscle memory and training. You're out of your lane.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 02:12 AM
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Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
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Yes, because banning things really works well to prevent their use.


Really look at how many mass shootings there have been in the UK since we banned handguns.

Not very many….



no, but handguns are still here and the numbers are growing along with violence towards emergency service personnel. And of course the knife crime that's going through the roof too.

if it was a perfect utopia where guns were banned = no killings our police wouldn't need to be wearing there protective vests now would they? and now even the paramedics are being considered for them as they are increasingly being attacked with guns and knives.

welcome to America's Dunblane. knee jerk reactions incoming!!



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by EyesWideShut

Originally posted by anglodemonicmatrix
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My friend has a 357 magnum which we fire regularly Im not a mug with a gun I will hit one of the black circles but a headshot under duress is the realm of special forces my friend.


No, it simply requires lot's of spent casings, muscle memory and training. You're out of your lane. [/quote
True I dont live in a gun culture and do not have highly developed skills but neither would an elementary teacher I suggest.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 02:16 AM
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Dont know what happened there,no I did not grow up in a gun culture,nor am I ex-military neither is your usual elementary teacher I would suggest.
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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by anglodemonicmatrix
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Dont know what happened there,no I did not grow up in a gun culture,nor am I ex-military neither is your usual elementary teacher I would suggest.
edit on 15-12-2012 by anglodemonicmatrix because: apelling


I'm Currently An RN & Fire Fighter...you never know. I'm not advocating teachers carrying firearms in school, but there should be an armed School Safety Officer onsite.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by SweetChild

Originally posted by anton74

Originally posted by SweetChild

Originally posted by davjan4
The gun restrictions will start soon. Obama during press confrence "we have gone through this too many times. We must take decisive action".

Hold on to your hats. And kiss the second amendment goodbye. The sheep are about to be disarmed.

The wolves will not be.


Hallelujah! Yes! Time for gun control. Time for CORRECT interpretation of the 2nd amendment! If you're not in the military or public safety, you have ZERO right to own a gun.


It appears the school system has failed you. Your interpretation of the second amendment is incorrect.

My interpretation is exactly what the so-called founding fathers meant it to be. civil defense, ie. well regulated militia. What part of well-regulated do you not get? What part of militia do you not get? It is NOT the right for every lunatic running around shooting anything that moves and pretending to be some sort of hero. There is NO such thing as responsible gun ownership and yes, guns DO kill people.


Why do you need to interprete something that has been clearly spelled out? The more you write about the 2nd Amendmen, the more obvious it becomes you have no clue about it. The origin of the 2nd Amendment is well documented, take a few minutes to read the history behind it.

No such thing as responsible gun owners? That shows ignorance.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 02:36 AM
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So shooter video games should be banned? because of it's brainwashing effect of killing/dying/killing over and over for hours each day. Maybe 1 out of a million will snap due to a age/mental health issue and actually start shooting people. And the part about banning drugs i agree with, i doesn't work, why would a gun ban which put's weapons in the hands of criminals or rogue governments, taking power away from the people..but we americans see through that old trick. Im deeply sorry that this shooting happened, it was done by someone evil, but in death we should pray that he goes to hell and the children are in a better place or at rest.

p.s. is it ok when militaries kill whole families because of one man, torchuring children of named terrorists as the Bush era started? Someone is using mind control to stir the pot methinks, whether it's with media and social control, or direct programming somehow.
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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 02:42 AM
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Originally posted by anglodemonicmatrix
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Dont know what happened there,no I did not grow up in a gun culture,nor am I ex-military neither is your usual elementary teacher I would suggest.


www.truecrimereport.com...
conservativejock.wordpress.com...

Do not assume that the situation on your side of the pond reflects the situation on this side of the pond.

There is a high chance that your run of the mill “old lady” that you meet on the street in the US, has used a gun before. Hand a shotgun to my 80 year old mom, and the only words out of her mouth would be “where’s the ammo?.... you can’t shoot anything without the ammo.”

And I know several “old lady” teachers that know perfectly well how to use a gun.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 02:56 AM
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Perhaps the British really like a nanny state, big brother is watching you, fabian socialist, 4th reich kind of country, and if you do bully for you, you're going about it right. Bernard shaw, and Adolf, would be proud at how far you have come. However here we are far less afraid of lone gunman then we are the tyrannies that are perpetually established back in Europe through out history. Tell you what, if you guys give up your control freak socialist big brother governments, ethnic cleansing, can get the jihadist to stop jihading, and find a way to make unarmed citiziens safe from tyrannical governments we'll talk....until then go turn your head to your nearest traffic cam, and gripe to your new masters about how the free people are not playing nice across the pond........it's pathetically sad what a sniveling bunch of muppets the majority, of brits have become, gladly trading all freedom for a bit of illusion of safety, there's many brits who do not feel the same as you though, and still understand the concept of freedom, have mercy upon them....I wish those the best.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 03:15 AM
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Ive already posted this link in a similar thread and i think its necessary to share again. We live in a brutal world, and I dont think those who promote banning guns realize just how crazy it can be. Liveleak is a video website which has a ton of GRAPHIC videos including murders, attacks, car crashes, ect (and just cool videos). Tell me what would happen if the owner of this shop was unarmed.

******WARNING: VIDEO CONTAINS EXTREMELY GRAPHIC CONTENT, ONLY CLICK IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE REAL WORLD******

www.liveleak.com...



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 03:44 AM
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Let me ask you, IF there had been a law allowing REGISTERED permit holders like CERTAIN screened employees to carry guns and have them on campus but in a safe place or have an armed security guard there, HOW far do you think this gunman would have gotten then?



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:32 AM
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What happened yesterday was a horror, to kill children is the lowest form of cowardice without a doubt. But what sickens me aside from killing kids is the constant anti gun BS that fills this thread along with the original thread about this shooting. Most people on this planet ( aside from muslims) are incapable of doing such a crime, much less finding a second person to help. Most Elite military units would have a hard time doing that, much less a random crazy nerdy looking kid. Am I the only one seeing a pattern here? All black clothing, a loner, body armor? Two shooters, then one, and now a hunt for the second? This reeks of false flag just like the Boulder CO shooting. This all coincides with the UN arms treaty that Obama is supporting. HOW does a conspiracy site fail to see that? The Colorado shooting didn't work. People were pissed for a while but then forgot about it. Now they attack innocent children and all I here is gun control, ban guns. This was a false flag. Why can't you people see that? You want to stop this from happening? Don't blame guns and law abiding citizens. Blame the ones that have the most to gain from this. The NWO, Elites, CFR, Bankers, it does not matter. They are our enemies. They did this. Look at fast and furious. That was on Obama's Watch. He is a NWO puppet. The elite wants us unarmed so we can't fight back. They just shown us how far they will go, and you ATS, well most of you, played right into their hands. They attack the week to invoke the strongest emotional response and it worked. WAKE UP! If this doesn't get guns banned they will do this agian. Mark my words. Do you really want to stop this? Fight back. The elites, anyone on the CFR, Anyone that supports the FED. They are our enemies. Get rid of them and this wont happen anymore. They will kill our children to get what they want. Are you gona let that happen? They are afraid of us. Are you tired of wars that we have no reason to be in? Tired of them taking away our freedom in the name of a threat that never existed? WAKE THE F UP! STOP being SHEEP! The elite are our enemy,and so is anyone that supports them, government, our not. What will you let them get away with? How far will you let them go? We outnumber them by a lot and yet they still try to control us. Republican, Democrat we are already divided and conquered. Its two sides of the same coin. If we united we could stop this in a week. Recognize who the true enemy of peace is. Stop fighting over petty crap that they foment. All of the triple letter agencies, the Federal Reserve, The elite bankers, CFR, they all are part or work for the Cabal, the Illuminati. They are the ones we should be mad at. They are our enemies. Not guns, not terrorists, not right wing or left wing people, not other countries. This is all a game to them. Stop being sheep. American idol, new TV's, reality TV. Killing yourself at at job you hate just to make ends meat to survive. I am pissed about this shooting and I see it for what it really is and this is my rant, but still. It is a conspiracy forum and you can't tell me that you don't know what i'm getting at. We have to stand up and fight back before everything we care about is dead and gone. But no one will listen so go watch your big screen TV, enjoy you fast food, enjoy your fake reality TV shows, enjoy being sheep. After the reaction I've seen from this shooting its obvious that you fall hook line and sinker for all that your told. Deny ignorance, more like embrace it.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:35 AM
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I am not American but i decided to post here anyway

The american government and media has done nothing but instill fear in the people.... for the last 20 years, the fear of terrorists before that it was the fear of the soviets so for me it's hardly surprising that everyman and his granny has tooled up

my point of view is this...... It's not the guns that are killing it is the mentally deranged people shooting them perhaps take the money used to campaign for gun control and pump it into health care specifically mental health because that's the real issue here some very sick people are not getting treatment and because of this are going out and massacring innocents.....

i live in scotland where hand guns are banned... that's not to say that nobody carries but if you get caught it's a prison sentence. we still have people killling each other on a daily basis.... guns are not the issue....Psychopaths are the issue.....

I fear that the people of america will hand over their guns....i believe that a man(woman) has the right to protect himself be it from psychos or from his government and without guns that becomes almost impossible on a large scale........

this is my opinion for what it's worth......



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:38 AM
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I would like the right within the law to defend my home and family here in the UK , unfortunately no such rights exist, I wish we had the right to a firearm, The UK is not some utopia without gun crime, I find most people over here are for want of a better expression pussy whipped, If a burglar breaks into my house i have to worry about how much damage i can do to said burglar, what kind of criminal charges i might face or whether I will get sued by the burglar , or maybe its just better to make him a cup of tea and help him carry my stuff away...

I am all for the right to protect your home and family If I could have a handgun tomorrow I would do.

A population that is unarmed is powerless to resist and that is the point, We over here in the UK had our own school massacre (Dunblane, now there is a conspiracy) and within weeks hand guns were banned.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:39 AM
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Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
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How about banning the guns.

Granted this can never be done overnight but surly this latest incident highlights that its time that more is done.


I don't know if you knew, but murder is illegal.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:44 AM
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We can defend our homes against robbers, it is called reasonable force, the government is looking into more protection for the owner of the house.
www.guardian.co.uk...
www.guardian.co.uk...
It took the murder of a high flying banker to change the law but we can defend our homes.
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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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Reasonable Force is open to interpretation, Interpretation by the Police and crown prosecution service big difference.


If I beat the crap out of a burglar i consider that reasonable force the police might see it differently



Its a topic for another time, this is about gun control


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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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Gadzillions of threads about the us and guns surely that in itself is an indication of a deep deep problem the US has with them. Is a drug and you are addicted to it like a wild west cowboy.

yet again the old "guns don't kill it's people" has come to fore. Well I'm sorry to say this but that statement is a gross literal simplification :

The US society is obsessed with "the citizen" being armed under "the constitution". So much so that your collective psyche cannot perceive of a a free safe society without "we the people" being able to defend yourselves. If that thought process is endemic within society it is also pervades the thoughts of the less stable members of that society who see the gun as the solution to their psychological problem.

Society pulled the trigger.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:49 AM
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That is why it is changing to "disproportionate" force.



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