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Ban the Gun, Repeal the Second Amendment.

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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:53 AM
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Let's ban electrons. They hurt people. Look what they did to this guy:

www.youtube.com...=25s




posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 04:54 AM
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reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin
 


how about arming the teacher's?

ever thought of that side of the coin?



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 05:35 AM
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And no one listens. I know its an anger fueled rant but come on. Its directed at the sheep that wont wake up and and the Cabal that try to enslave us. I'm not trying to offend any one or belittle this horrible act but really people, see things for what they are. I mean really look at things, think for once. Don't fallow CNN, or FOX NEWS. Think for yourselves. These are very dangerous times and the outcome depends on us. I've said my piece, not much more I can do. Call me what you will I don't care.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by reeferman
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin
 


how about arming the teacher's?

ever thought of that side of the coin?


And then the kids get on the teacher's nerves, and the teacher has a breakdown.

Great idea...

Not



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by MysterX
An armed population is a population protected from a tyranical government.


America has a tyrannical government. If it didn't the majority of ATS members wouldn't be here talking about satanic elites and having to prep for when the SHTF.

I stopped arguing about guns specifically a few years ago, there's no point. The debate is so polarised it's beyond rationality and primarily an emotive issue.

I do want to know how bad America has to get before people are actually going to exercise the point of that second amendment though.

Apparently, there's a Muslim communist terrorist in the Whitehouse. American schoolkids are being brainwashed with socialist and culturally Marxist politics. A liberal Hollywood is spreading the same message to movie going adults. These same godless Marxist politics are weakening the moral compass of a rightfully Christian America. GM is poisoning the food. Americans no longer have the right to eat whatever they want or smoke wherever they want. Contrails are poisoning the sky. Government scientists are controlling the weather and the geological stability of the very ground we walk on. The intelligence agencies are waging a war against American citizens. Americans have their phones, internet and digital transaction monitored. The same agencies are deploying disinfo agents on free-thinking websites. Intelligence agencies are owning and controlling the flow of drugs into America to destroy the youth and to stoke racial violence. Technological advances are being purposely withheld from the American people. The government and Big Business are crippling the middle-classes with taxes. The American economy is being purposely sabotaged. The Banking system is in control of the Government. The government has forced unAmerican Obamacare on the population. Americans are having rights stripped from them daily.

All this and gun-toting Americans are still ready against their government? How bad is it going to get, America, before you decide 'enough is enough'?

Honestly, you'll all be in cages before you actually have the gonads to use those guns against your government.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 06:25 AM
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This is 1 subject I just can’t make my mind up on. As an outsider looking in I have so many different thoughts on the subject.

Gun owners and US citizens make some good points;

Like the whole argument of banning drugs doesn’t stop drugs being supplied/used
There’s more deaths caused by other weapons and cars, should we ban those.
Guns don’t kill people, the unhinged do
Being armed against criminals and government

But then I open and paper and see how 20 children aged 5 to 10 years are dead and think that all those armed citizens couldn't help, there guns where useless to prevent this. I understand this is because they didn’t know but still the 'good guys' guns were useless.
It makes me think of how many school massacres we've had over here in Britain since we banned guns.

So too ban guns or not I honestly don’t no. all I no is its gut wrenching that it’s always the kids they go for, I suppose it’s for maximum impact and easy targets.
I know when I read;

Cops ordered youngsters to shut their eyes and hold hands as they were escorted from the scene

And think how could this be avoided?

Link for quote www.thesun.co.uk...



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 06:32 AM
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If you can't see that this was staged the public education propaganda really worked and you are devoid of the ability to critically think.


I don't think I have ever read a more crass, thoughtless, deluded and stupid comment EVER!



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by MysterX
 





An armed population is a population protected from a tyranical government.


Really why don’t you try telling that to those kids parents, what is to protect children from those guns, you don’t have a tyrannical government there are plenty of countries with very strict gun control and there is no “tyrannical governments”, it is just another cliché of the pro-gun crowd.




"Really," why don't you try telling that to those kids parents, who's kid had antagonizing fatal knife wounds. He had suffered multiple entry points before dying.

See, a ban on guns has no affect. People will kill and kill and kill and kill and kill regardless of the tool used. Once you thick headed jokes get that...Maybe there will be more justification to rid the world of these brainless killers. But, no we fail at life. If this dude would have been alive still...he would be in court waiting trial. Just...like...James...Holmes.

I VOTE FOR INSTANT DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!
WHOS WITH ME???????????


Oh and by the way...great fail thread



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 06:38 AM
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how about arming the teacher's?

ever thought of that side of the coin?


And you want to live in a society like that? Really? Fight fire with fire and the flames only get higher.

These events are a reflection of a broken society and solutions like the one suggested by you are indicative of the reality that there will never ever be a fix.

ETA What happens when that teacher goes through a rough patch in life and decides to take it out on their class?
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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 06:43 AM
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i just signed on and saw this thread...again, for the zillionth time, no one is going to ban guns, not congress, and not obama. the best thing that happened to gun manufactures is that obama got elected and 2012. you've been played.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
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Yes, because banning things really works well to prevent their use.


Really look at how many mass shootings there have been in the UK since we banned handguns.

Not very many….



Fewer people die in the Sahara than in Minnesota, too. Shall be start banning lakes now?

But, lets take your asinine statement, and apply some much-needed logic to it: how many murders have occurred in the UK since you banned handguns? Surely people stopped killing other people the minute handguns were banned, right?

/TOA



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by timewraith117
What happened yesterday was a horror, to kill children is the lowest form of cowardice without a doubt. But what sickens me aside from killing kids is the constant anti gun BS that fills this thread along with the original thread about this shooting. Most people on this planet ( aside from muslims) are incapable of doing such a crime, much less finding a second person to help.


ARE YOU FREAKIN SERIOUS? Everyone is capable of doing what that freak did. It all comes down to wanting to do it. FOR EXAMPLE and YOU BETTER READ THIS...

This couple that lived down the street from us liked to adopt children...especially foreign kids. Well, one night one of the kids decided to buy GTA and attempt to play it in a very Christian home. This kid was nice and polite...very well behaved also. Mom told him he couldn't play it. Kid GRABBED a knife, I think it was a butter knife, and fatally stabbed his adopting mother to death. No one thought this would ever happen, especially from him. But, guess what...it happened.

Not to mention the freak in China that went to a school and started stabbing kids. Hmmmmm, but wait, people are incapable of doing this. Get you facts straight ladies and gentlemen.


People can and will kill you. Only if they want too. That is the beauty of free will. Doing whatever comes to the mind.

If you cannot conquer your mind...you will fail.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by jimmyx
i just signed on and saw this thread...again, for the zillionth time, no one is going to ban guns, not congress, and not obama. the best thing that happened to gun manufactures is that obama got elected and 2012. you've been played.


Way to go sheep. Let me, the Shepherd, guide you on this journey of history unfolding before your eyes because you are obviously high or drunk most of the time.

Possible ban on these weapons by this current administration:

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):

M1 Carbine

Sturm Ruger Mini-14

AR-15

Bushmaster XM15

Armalite M15

AR-10

Thompson 1927

Thompson M1

AK

AKM

AKS

AK-47

AK-74

ARM

MAK90

NHM 90

NHM 91

SA 85

SA 93

VEPR

Olympic Arms PCR

AR70

Calico Liberty

Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or DragunovSVU

Fabrique National FN/FAL

FN/LAR, or FNC

Hi-Point20Carbine

HK-91, HK-93

HK-94

HK-PSG-1

Thompson 1927 Commando

Kel-Tec Sub Rifle

Saiga

SAR-8

SAR-4800

SKS with detachable magazine

SLG 95

SLR 95 or 96

Steyr AU

Tavor

Uzi

Galil and Uzi Sporter

Galil Sporter or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz)

Pistols (or copies or duplicates):

Calico M-110

MAC-10

MAC-11

MPA3

Olympic Arms OA

TEC-9,

TEC-DC9,

TEC-22 Scorpion or AB-10

Uzi

Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):

Armscor 30 BG

SPAS 12 or LAW 12

Striker 12

Streetsweeper


I will be willing to guess, majority of gun owners have an AR-15.
Still don't think there is a ban going to happen? This was the final push to get weapons ban...Congress is going over it now.

You sheep need to open your eyes to a world where history is being reveled everyday.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by johngrissom

Originally posted by jimmyx
i just signed on and saw this thread...again, for the zillionth time, no one is going to ban guns, not congress, and not obama. the best thing that happened to gun manufactures is that obama got elected and 2012. you've been played.


Way to go sheep. Let me, the Shepherd, guide you on this journey of history unfolding before your eyes because you are obviously high or drunk most of the time.

Possible ban on these weapons by this current administration:

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):

M1 Carbine

Sturm Ruger Mini-14

AR-15

Bushmaster XM15

Armalite M15

AR-10

Thompson 1927

Thompson M1

AK

AKM

AKS

AK-47

AK-74

ARM

MAK90

NHM 90

NHM 91

SA 85

SA 93

VEPR

Olympic Arms PCR

AR70

Calico Liberty

Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or DragunovSVU

Fabrique National FN/FAL

FN/LAR, or FNC

Hi-Point20Carbine

HK-91, HK-93

HK-94

HK-PSG-1

Thompson 1927 Commando

Kel-Tec Sub Rifle

Saiga

SAR-8

SAR-4800

SKS with detachable magazine

SLG 95

SLR 95 or 96

Steyr AU

Tavor

Uzi

Galil and Uzi Sporter

Galil Sporter or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz)

Pistols (or copies or duplicates):

Calico M-110

MAC-10

MAC-11

MPA3

Olympic Arms OA

TEC-9,

TEC-DC9,

TEC-22 Scorpion or AB-10

Uzi

Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):

Armscor 30 BG

SPAS 12 or LAW 12

Striker 12

Streetsweeper


I will be willing to guess, majority of gun owners have an AR-15.
Still don't think there is a ban going to happen? This was the final push to get weapons ban...Congress is going over it now.

You sheep need to open your eyes to a world where history is being reveled everyday.



Well good to know the gun I own isn't on that list



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 07:12 AM
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possible ban??? you know how many decades i've seen and heard this about guns?? a white conservative republican president couldn't get guns banned, and you think a black democratic one can?



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by SweetChild
then by your own argument, the 2nd amendment needs to be repealed.


Go ahead. It would change nothing. This is my point. You would still have to pass additional laws banning gun ownership, and that is highly unlikely to ever happen. The 2nd Amendment merely prevents the government from passing the more restrictive of those laws. Thankfully, even in its absence, we would still have enough representatives with common sense that those laws would not be likely to pass for at least another generation.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by jimmyx
i just signed on and saw this thread...again, for the zillionth time, no one is going to ban guns, not congress, and not obama. the best thing that happened to gun manufactures is that obama got elected and 2012. you've been played.


For once, I'm going to agree with you. There will be a whole lot of bluster over the next week or two, but the ban(s) introduced into Congress by the usual suspects will go nowhere. Despite this tragedy, we're still living at the modern day high point of public sentiment in favor of firearms ownership and of record sales. More people will place the responsibility on the shooter than the implement he used. You may see a big push to overhaul the background check system (which would've made precisely zero difference here, I might add), but there will not be a sweeping ban forthcoming.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 07:29 AM
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Banning guns only assures that the criminals are well armed but the public is sitting ducks for the goons. That's all it does, like prohibition, the criminals are the only ones who would benefit from a gun ban, this is not speculation, this is history they always find ways around these bans, it's proven. It's well known it's just plain stupidity and ignorance that makes people start thread like these.



posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 07:40 AM
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Far more common than guns is the attacker being schizophrenic or on meds.

Seems we could do a lot to reduce violence across the board as well as homelessness, vagrancy and petty crime altogether if we simply ban the mentally ill.

Why should everyone suffer because of a few mental patients, right?

Register and tag the schizophrenics. Maybe round them up in camps. Im sure we could find something useful for them to do behind fences under armed watch.

It'd be easier than trying to collect 400 million firearms and it'd much more effective.
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posted on Dec, 15 2012 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
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It’s getting to the stage that enough is enough something has to be done.


They're winning. Sentiments like this are what cause countries to dissolve into tyranny.

"Those who would trade liberty for a little safety will receive none and deserve neither."
-Benjamin Franklin

I do agree that the sale of guns needs to be better regulated and that those purchasing guns need to be better vetted. However, the answer is not banning guns. History has taught us again and again that an unarmed society is one ripe for tyranny.



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