The Grandest Conspiracy Ever Known. The New Age Religion of the Unproven Speculation (theory) of Evo

Originally posted by SisyphusRide
this has to be one of my favorites pertaining to this topic...

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Isaiah 40:22

God sits above the circle of the earth.
The people below seem like grasshoppers to him!
He spreads out the heavens like a curtain
and makes his tent from them.

Bible
"The Circle of Earth"

Science then
"The Earth is a Flat Disk"

Idiots
"The Bible says that the Earth is a sphere. Circles are clearly spheres and not flat disks."

the facts here people... are that Darwin was a racist and he is directly quoted in Hitlers Mein Kampf...

Evolutionary thinking leads to eugenics and more harm than good, that is one thing that had been proven via observation and fact. "Preservation of the favored races" when taught in schools without the proper guidance of a good teacher leads to humans bei9ng judgmental of eachother.

The bible is the cure for this and it predates Darwin by quite a bit... Darwin has done more harm than good and the Bible teaches us and tells us we are all brothers and sisters.

Love one another just a little more...

reply to post by SisyphusRide


Scientific theory depends on repeatable tests it is not just a hypothesis as
your claiming ti to be, civilian word theory means just an idea, its not like
evolutionary biologist said "hey this is our idea, no we cant prove it its just
our notion of how things work" it was nothing like that, they have to be able
to prove what they claim is true or it does not become a scientific theory.

I get that its confusing but the information is out there, all you have to do is
research this stuff.

Originally posted by LightOrange

Originally posted by SisyphusRide
this has to be one of my favorites pertaining to this topic...

....

Isaiah 40:22

God sits above the circle of the earth.
The people below seem like grasshoppers to him!
He spreads out the heavens like a curtain
and makes his tent from them.

Bible
"The Circle of Earth"

Science then
"The Earth is a Flat Disk"

Idiots
"The Bible says that the Earth is a sphere. Circles are clearly spheres and not flat disks."

yes in scientific terms a circle is a sphere... close enough for me and any layman I would imagine?

go figure... grasshopper

Originally posted by bloodreviara
reply to post by SisyphusRide

 

Scientific theory depends on repeatable tests it is not just a hypothesis as
your claiming ti to be,

then prove to me evolution of man from ape please... I keep asking, no one can oblige

the question here is evolution of man from ape and not speciation of any other creature mind you.

please provide fact and tangible evidence, piltdown man just don't cut it.

God I miss MIMS

he was a challenge... where's MIMS???

reply to post by SisyphusRide


The Bible describes the Earth as a flat disk floating in an ocean. The sky is described as a vault holding back water that presumably falls as rain at appointed times:

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

www.biblegateway.com...

On the other hand, natural philosophers, the fore-runners of scientists, not only knew that the Earth was a sphere, but had made a relatively good calculation of its circumference before the Second Century BCE:

en.wikipedia.org...

As I said, please read something other than the Bible if you want to understand science and history.

Edit to add: Here, this will get you started on speciation:

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by DJW001


is this your hardcore fact and tangible evidence of speciation?

I see... when all else fails change the subject and attack

quite weak imo...


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additionally, this is not a bible debate... if I am not mistaken the OP did not mention anything of the Christian bible in the opening post. They did mention though the new age religion which imo is not new at all on the contrary.

Originally posted by Foundryman
Great, another religious argument against evolution. Aren't there a zillion old threads about this topic?

Haven't we done this dance before? Why didn't you contribute to one of the other existing threads?

It's funny to me how defense some of you get when your own beliefs are challenged. It's like you never even consider that you might not be right and that your faith is no different than any other religious person's faith.

1) An ATS poster, with limited imagination and intellect, and greatly lacking in scientific knowledge claims the theory of evolution is impossible, and supports his claim with zero evidence aside from fanatical hand-waving
2) Thousands of scientists, with far greater imagination, intellect, and credentials, explain not only why it isn't impossible, but basically proven scientific fact, and write hundreds of books and peer reviewed articles attesting to that fact, backing it up with a monumental amount of evidence

Hmm, which side is more convincing?

Originally posted by begoodbees

Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by begoodbees

 

Could you please comment on the struture of the fossil record and the sedmentary layers they are found in...

This is strong evidence for evoultion and is a required knowledge for a degree in biology.

Heres a video, if your as ignorant as you appear to be this might help it even has music so you can pay attention because obviously school didnt work.

Most known fossils are a result of the world wide flood that is documented in many ancient cultures throughout the world. They are from a single mass extinction. Therefore even the fossil record and sediment layers are not what science claims. This is my stance. That is why this is the greatest deception. It is like Christmas, one layer of BS on top of another. I cannot prove this of course but it is what common sense dictates to an open mind.
www.fossils-facts-and-finds.com...

That claim is absolutely impossible and ridiculous. Fossils resulting from a worldwide flood (as claimed by creationists) would not show the complete consistency we see in the sediment layers. This is just an hypothesis thrown in in pure desperation by creationists because they have no other way to explain the fossil record.

But anyone with half a brain can see how absurd it is.

A mass flood would create chaotic fossilation in sediment layers, albeit with some element of patterns, but it would not resemble what we see, because the flood is bogus, and evolution is real.

If that is truly your explanation of choice, I am embarassed for you my friend.

Originally posted by begoodbees

Originally posted by homeslice
What about dog breeds? Man has breed many completely different breeds in a rather short amount of time. Some breeds are so different now they cannot mate anymore, sure its still a dog but may aswell be a totally different species. Although man made rather then survival of fittest but it proves how much genetics can change in a short amount of time.

How did that happen? Human intervention, and when you test the future dogs DNA it will still be dog DNA no matter what the dog looks like.

Human intervention used to prove evolution by emulating the natural process as closely as we possibly could.

You ask for the impossible, to see evolution happening in a very short time frame, which is not how it works. So the only way to do that is to intervene in the process, but then you reject that because of our intervention.

You are creating a lose-lose situation for evolution because you can't handle it being true, and yet you're willing to accept your own religion and creationist theories without a shred of evidence. You just look silly when you do this.

Imagine if you demanded the same level of proof for religion, as you're demanding from evolution, you'd be an atheist for certain. This is intellectual dishonesty.

where indeed is the mountains of evidence for ape evolving into human?

is it not the subject here? Creation of humankind...

evolution is a broad term, what we need to see here is the missing link. Humans are an abundant species and religion claims humans were created in the image of God... religion does not claim some fish or fossil of a trilobyte was.

the supposedly scientifically superior creatures in this topic can not provide the "missing link"

please provide evidence of man evolving from ape and there will be nothing to discuss.

reply to post by SisyphusRide

evolution is a broad term, what we need to see here is the missing link. Humans are an abundant species and religion claims humans were created in the image of God... religion does not claim some fish or fossil of a trilobyte was.

the supposedly scientifically superior creatures in this topic can not provide the "missing link"

And yet, it still provides a more plausible answer than religion. Religion provides an answer that gets us nowhere, science provides speculation that gives us somewhere to start. One was promoted by men too lazy and dumb to work for science, the other was promoted by men too smart and determined to settle for faith. I know which one I like more.

Because really, if evolution is ridiculous for having some "missing links", what does that say about Christianity? "Missing links" doesn't begin to cover the long history of senseless superstition that defines such a system.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


religion give us something to believe in... nothing more.

science gives us speculation and strife of understanding and still can not explain that age old question "why are we here" ?

science was born of religion... nothing new but atleast this branching gives us something beneficial (medicine)

"the scientific method" was invented by Christian Priests... in order to gain a better understanding of our relationship with God and the natural world.

science was not invented by the Greek, they were philosophers and data gatherers...

please research.

Thomas Aquinas

Roger Bacon

reply to post by SisyphusRide


Then why were the original Freemasons persecuted for practicing alchemy? They opposed the religious take on science, because it was erroneous, and they were persecuted for it. The original table of elements - fire, earth, water, air, spirit - was used in alchemical and spiritual studies, and the church didn't like it one bit.

Originally posted by SisyphusRide
where indeed is the mountains of evidence for ape evolving into human?

Why choose evolution for ape evolving into man specifically?

Evidence for evolution is evidence for evolution.

Originally posted by SisyphusRide

is it not the subject here? Creation of humankind...

No, the theory of evolution explains the diversity of all life, not the creation of humankind specifically.

Originally posted by SisyphusRide

evolution is a broad term, what we need to see here is the missing link. Humans are an abundant species and religion claims humans were created in the image of God... religion does not claim some fish or fossil of a trilobyte was.

The missing link nonsense is a creationist fallacy. Of course, every time you fill in a "gap", it creates two more missing links.

Originally posted by SisyphusRidethe supposedly scientifically superior creatures in this topic can not provide the "missing link"

please provide evidence of man evolving from ape and there will be nothing to discuss.

See above.

As for evidence that the theory of evolution is true, that's a vast subject simply because there is such a ridiculous abundance of it across so many different fields.

However, a very basic piece of evidence that's extremely hard to refute is the fossil record, and the order fossils appear in the sedimentary rock layers:

www.agiweb.org...

The only attempt creationists make to explain this is to say that the fossil record is a result of a mass extinction from a global flood. But this is just ridiculous, because there is no way a chaotic event like that would show the consistency we see. If you want to take a very basic layman's approach, that is the "smoking gun".

If you want to get into more detaiI, I would recommend you read "Why Evolution Is True" by Jerry A. Coyne, or anything by Richard Dawkins. Why evolution is true is good because it covers a lot of different types of evidence, rather than focussing on a single subject (like the fossil record) and covering it in detail.

I would also recommend working your way through this:

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution:

www.talkorigins.org...
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Read through that lot and you'll have touched on less than 1% of the reading material needed simply to understand the theory properly, and even attempt a critique of it.

Originally posted by SisyphusRide
reply to post by AfterInfinity

 

religion give us something to believe in... nothing more.

science gives us speculation and strife of understanding and still can not explain that age old question "why are we here" ?

Science gives us results. That computer you're using was a direct result of the work of scientists.

And science cannot answer that question, yet, quite possibly there is no answer because we are not here for a reason at all.

Originally posted by SisyphusRide

"the scientific method" was invented by Christian Priests... in order to gain a better understanding of our relationship with God and the natural world.

Who cares who invented it? All that matters is whether it works.

The method has come a long way since then, too, for example, you won't get killed for disagreeing with the Bible.