Ok, who can prove magic exists?, page 1

Originally posted by LadyV
Let me ask you Delta, what do you think magic is?

I believe magic is manipulating your environment by means other than the physical. What is missing is what is being manipulated in the environment to effect physical change in people and objects, and how.

Could I make misfortune fall upon someone...yes I could, would I? Absolutely not!

If, for the sake of arguement, you were to make misfortune fall upon someone, in what ways could you do this. Provide examples.

Could you consistently achieve the same results with different people?

Can I heal? Yes.

What diseases can you heal? Have you healed anyone? How many? Would these people be willing to attest to this? Is your healing magic less effective, as effective, or more effective than modern medical science?

All a spell is, is a strong form of prayer...mixed with energy that we have learned to direct....that's all it is, nothing fancy or mystical, nothing elaborate, nothing out of the ordinary...just energy.

With this energy, could you say, bend a spoon? No? What can this energy do? Can it do anything that would withstand the scrutiny of the scientific method? Why isn't anyone who is versed and practiced in magic willing to subject their supposed abilities to this scrutiny?

You and everyone practice magic all the time. Have you ever told a little white lie to get out of work or something, and then a few days later, the very thing that used as an excuse really happened? You put that spoken energy out and it drew that back to you...have every really needed to talk to someone and thought about them, and then....the next day they called you? You directed energy to them, they picked up and it...that's why we are careful in everything we do. I don't sit at a red light, aggravated behind someone and spew mean hateful things to them...heated energy is powerful and yes...that can effect that person.

I haven't really noticed the lie coming true, and I haven't thought about someone and they called. Coincidences like this have not happened to me that I remember. But calling this magic is arbitrary. There's no proof to it, it's just noticing something that actually happens in the real world and attributing it to a belief in something that may or may not have anything to do with it It's more of a chosen thought process, really. The 'see what you want to see' principle.

I don't believe that we can control and manipulate energy to effect the world around us, because we would have seen it actually happen by now. It has not been done in the history of the world, as far as the world knows. That's pretty good evidence that it has never happened.

Have you ever known someone that it just seems as if, they are always in a pretty good mood, always up, people seem to like them? They have a strong aura, they are positive and see the best sides of things that happen to them...yes I got a flat tire on the way to work and now I'm late...but it didn't happen on my home from band practice at midnight while I was alone 65 Have you ever known people that were just the opposite? We have all known those people...things always happening to them...they're always saying things like, "Just my luck" I knew this would happen" I can't get a break"....of course they can't...if you put out negative energy that is what encircles you and that is what will be drawn to you. if you put out positive energy, you will draw positive back...it's all about energy ............and the mind!

Yes, there are people with good attitudes, who are social, outgoing, and happy. There are also people with bad attitueds, are socially inept, introverted, and depressed. These have nothing to do with magic. These are personality traits, habits, and conditions.

As far as luck is concerned, good or bad luck does not come to the person, the good or bad luck is created by the person. The only reason people choose to see it as good or bad, or luck at all, for that matter, is because they have a superstition. When you actally examine the events that lead to the outcomes people receive, they can almost always be attributed to the behavior of they themselves, other people, or chance situations.

Such as a flat tire. If you happen to run over a nail and your tire goes flat, there is no luck to be blamed for that, only the nail. Only the nail. You can call it bad luck if you choose, but that's just a label that could apply to any general bad thing that happens. Are all bad things that happen to be attributed to bad luck? If not, then how do we determine which bad things are caused by bad luck, and which are not? Same for good luck.

AS for receiving and emmanating good and bad energy, it's not that. If you have a sparkling personality people are going to react positively to that. Unless someone has a personality that's diametrically opposed. They will most likely not react kindly.

If you have a horribly negative attitude, you will alienate people, bring them down, and possibly upset them. People are not attracted to these things. This also has nothing to do with energy projection and reception. Again, the energy thing is just an arbitrary label, than you can place on any person or situation, if you are inclined to think in those terms.

More likely the interactions between personalities can be attributed to differing psychology and human social behaviour. Not an unseen energy that we're all manipulating.

Occam's Razor in effect.