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A03-141 TITLE: Thermobaric Blast Pressure Gauges
TECHNOLOGY AREAS: Sensors
ACQUISITION PROGRAM: PM, Aviation Rocket and Missiles
OBJECTIVE: To develop a fast response pressure transducer that has minimal response to outside stimulus. During Thermobaric explosions, the high heat and light caused by the blast can cause currently available sensors to give false readings. From past experience, we have found that thermal and photo stimulus can greatly impact the data received from these types of transducers. At the present time transducers with external cooling have had some success with the thermal effects but no success with the photoelectric.
DESCRIPTION: Virtually all pressure sensors are sensitive to thermal shock. When heat strikes the diaphragm of a pressure sensor that has crystals contained in an outer housing, the heat can cause an expansion of the case surrounding the internal crystals. Although quartz crystals are not significantly sensitive to thermal shock, the case expansion causes a lessening of the preload force on the crystals, usually causing a negative-signal output. Thermobaric reactions produce high thermal and photoelectric transients rendering present piezoelectric transducer technology inadequate for this application. The temperature ranges in question are from 1400 to 1600 degrees Fahrenheit or 760 to 870 degrees Celsius. These transducers need to be in the range of 50, 100 and 200 psi, with response rates around 1 microsecond. The transducer should exhibit minimal response when exposed to a broadband light source, which produces a radiant intensity of 10 milliwatts over the area of the transducer diaphragm.
PHASE I: Perform a feasibility study to see if a solution to the problem can be found.
PHASE II: After construction of the prototype transducer by the small business, testing at the Thermobaric characterization facility, located on the Redstone Arsenal, will be conducted at no cost.
PHASE III: These types of sensors could be used to quantify many new energetic materials that are being developed for urban warfare and current conflicts. There could also be a use for these sensors in the testing of rocket motors and boosters for both the military and civilian markets.
REFERENCES:
1) Walton, W. Scott. ”Improvement of Air Blast Measurement, ILIR TASK 5”, March 1981 TECOM Project 7-CO-ILO-AP1-001.
2) “ An LTCC Hybrid Pressure Transducer For High Temperature Applications”, Jolymar Gonzalez-Esteves University of Puerto Rico.
KEYWORDS: sensors, energetic materials, transducer, piezoelectric
Originally posted by -PLB-
reply to post by LaBTop
So this is one of your best? Your argument is "I see something I can not explain". At least you are clever enough to not stick any conclusion to it.
You nor me are qualified to interpret seismologic records. No wonder we can not come to any conclusion. We can however give our layman oppinion (aka speculate). so here is mine: its not explosives of any kind because a) they would not have the required energy to cause this while b) remaining unnoticed. So my guess would be that we see the internal collapse.
Note that me pointing out that you are in no way qualified, nor providing any actual relevant analysis, is already enough to throw this argument in the garbage bin. I don't need to provide an alternative explanation. Instead you have to prove that a) it could have been caused by explosives but most of all that b) it could not have been caused by anything else. You haven't done either.edit on 24-1-2013 by -PLB- because: (no reason given)
a) they would not have the required energy to cause this while b) remaining unnoticed.
Note that me pointing out
Instead you have to prove that a) it could have been caused by explosives but most of all that b) it could not have been caused by anything else. You haven't done either.
Originally posted by -PLB-
reply to post by LaBTop
You do understand that they are talking about a pressure sensor that could be used to measure pressure during a thermobaric blast, and are not talking about thermobaric bombs themselves right?
How does this work exactly. You make up some random cool sounding tems in an attempt to sound clever, you hook up these terms in google, and just post and hit you get, without having a clue what it is about?
TITLE: Thermobaric Blast Pressure Gauges
reply to post by LaBTop
Have you lost contact with reality?
Only huge explosions can deliver the sudden energy that was recorded in the WTC 7 seismogram
GenRadek : Thermobaric explosives rely on oxygen from the surrounding air. This #1 for the weapon.
6.2. Enhanced Blast Munitions (EBM) and Thermobaric munitions
There is occasionally confusion between FAE systems and other systems with similar effects. The differences are explained at Annex C.
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d) some FAE munitions rely on the expulsion of a coiled probe from the munition. This probe is thought to be tipped with a piezo-electric element to trigger the booster charge when it contacts the ground. This ensures initiation at the optimum height.
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Annex C (Informative) Enhanced Blast and Thermobaric munitions
C.1 Enhanced Blast Munitions (EBM)
In parallel to the development of FAE was the development of Enhanced Blast Munitions (EBM). An EBM is little more than an improved efficiency high explosive, obtained by the addition of metal powders that release energy when they oxidise in the high temperatures of the explosion. The result of these improvements can be significant in terms of energy release, but problems of safely deploying them in weapon systems precludes their use in all but the most limited of circumstances. One known example in operational service is the US Bomb Live Unit (BLU) 82 “Daisy Cutter” which consists of a 15,000 lb bomb filled with an aqueous mixture of ammonium nitrate, aluminium powder and polystyrene soap. It should also be noted that FAE are now beginning to be grouped with EBM by some sources. EBM are not covered in this TNMA, but are known to have been used operationally in Afghanistan, Kuwait/Iraq and Vietnam.
C.2 Thermobaric munitions
The thermobaric weapon works by propelling a warhead that scatters an aerosol explosive on or before impact with the target and then immediately igniting this to create a high-pressure blast wave. The effect is a much more rapidly expanding blast than a conventional explosion.
Compared with a fuel-air explosive, the thermobaric weapon has a much higher expanding concussion effect and lacks the degree of vacuum implosion produced by fuel air weapons. Primarily, this is because fuel air weapons take time to distribute the aerosol explosive widely before ignition. Russia is currently the world leader in thermobaric weapons, and has already used them in action, for example to clearing Mujahideen from caves in Afghanistan and more recently Chechen guerrillas from buildings in Grozny. The Russian RPG-7 thermobaric warhead, fired from a manportable rocket-launcher, is said to produce effects comparable to the detonation 2kg of TNT, while the effects of the Russian RPO-A Shmel rocket-propelled incendiary/blast projectile are reportedly similar to those produced by a 122mm howitzer projectile. Russian variants of this latter weapon include one that combines a thermobaric warhead with a small hollow charge, which is designed to penetrate structures prior to detonation of the main warhead, thus considerably enhancing its effects.
1st generation FAEs.
The article as it is to date deals with "newer", "solid" thermobarics. There is barely a mention of (largely obsolete, but still important, at least historically) first generation fuel-air explosives, consisting of a primary HE burster, container of a volatile fuel and a tertiary initiation HE charge.--84.163.103.143 (talk) 03:12, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Originally posted by -PLB-
reply to post by LaBTop
Have you lost contact with reality?
I know someone who has:
Only huge explosions can deliver the sudden energy that was recorded in the WTC 7 seismogram
Except that every single camera (devices that record reality) recording does not show these "huge explosions". So you must have lost contact with reality, as reality is showing us something completely different from what you are saying.
Originally posted by -PLB-
reply to post by LaBTop
You do understand that they are talking about a pressure sensor that could be used to measure pressure during a thermobaric blast, and are not talking about thermobaric bombs themselves right?
How does this work exactly. You make up some random cool sounding tems in an attempt to sound clever, you hook up these terms in google, and just post and hit you get, without having a clue what it is about?