Is the Christian Trinity a Conspiracy ?

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posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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yes but some people know that and pass it all off as real fairy tale virgins and magical men walking on water or worse, a reason to fear the world and people as the absolute truth.

Unless they are taught the truth they will continue with the lies and the ignorance of the true meanings of their own faith....


Same people who still believe in the boogey man, I mean Satan....

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posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
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Same people who still believe in the boogey man, I mean Satan....



you mean... US



posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 11:53 PM
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` finding out when you die ` - is not a very good approach - what if your belief is incorrect ?



posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 01:08 AM
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No. I mean people that keep hope in a box like Pandora.

Do or do not.

Will or it will not be.

Be or there will be no change.

Freely, express yourself. There is no greater challenge.

Burn no flame to the wayward winds......

Hope is for fools, resolve and true faith are for the meek made strong.

Fear no evil.

Fearlessly.

Hold it down.......

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posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 01:24 AM
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The anti-Trinity heresy is one of the most dangerous teachings today which is why it was officially condemned by the church in the fourth century.

NEVER forget this: We have been lied to about EVERYTHING that matters, including the Trinity.

The Trinity is attacked mainly by all cults so that they can also deny the deity of Jesus.

To me one of the biggest clues is to look at which groups reject the Trinity and which do not:


Faith Groups that Reject the Trinity

• Muslims
• Mormons
• Jehovah's Witnesses
• Christian Science
• Scientology
• Satanism
• Arians
• Armstrongism
• Christadelphians
• The Way International
• Unification Church


"Another characteristic of all non‑Christian cults is either an inadequate view or outright denial of the Holy Trinity. The biblical doctrine of the Trinity, one God in three Persons, is usually attacked as being pagan or satanic in origin.

The Characteristics of Cults


Plural pronouns used of God proving the trinity

A. Three plural pronouns, (We, Us, Our) used 6 different times in four different passages. Remember the word God (elohim) is also plural every time it is used in the Old Testament. Gen 11:7 also includes a plural verb (confuse) which even further, through grammar reinforces the plural "elohim" and the plural pronoun US.

"Our" Gen 1:26
"Us" Gen 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isa 6:8
"We" Isa 6:8

B. These are the four passages where God speaks for Himself and uses plural pronouns:

"Then God [plural elohim] said, "Let Us [plural pronoun] make man in Our [plural pronoun] image, according to Our [plural pronoun] likeness" Genesis 1:26

"Then Yahweh God [plural elohim] said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us [plural pronoun], knowing good and evil" Genesis 3:22

"Come, let Us [plural pronoun] go down and there confuse [plural form of balal] their language, so that they will not understand one another’s speech." Genesis 11:7

"Then I heard the voice of the Lord [plural elohim], saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us [plural pronoun]?"" Isaiah 6:8

Trinity Proof Texts


The one thing that all cults and non-Christian religions have in common is, they all deny the deity of Christ. In John 8:24 Jesus said, “Unless you believe that I am (the name God said was His in Exodus 3:15) you will die in your sin.”

People reading this today (2,000 years later) might not understand this, but the people Jesus said it to understood Him perfectly! They wanted to stone Him for claiming to be God (John 10:30-33). In most cases the confusion is based on miss-understanding the Trinity.

The cults say the Trinity is a damnable heresy. For a mortal who has never seen God, to say that the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, immortal God cannot be God in heaven, come to earth as a man, and be everywhere at the same time by His Spirit (a statement beyond his pay-grade) is a greater mystery than the Trinity itself.

There is not a man on earth who can tell you how a brown cow can eat green grass and turn it into white milk!

Cults HATE The Trinity

The Characteristics of Cults



posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 01:38 AM
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26Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Who are us in this verse? is it the holy trinity or something else. This seems to be a decision by more than one entity. So the decision was made and one made it happen ? In old testament Jesus was not yet born. Tho the religious explanation is that it means holy Trinity.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.


Was us Trinity of group of Aliens? Question it and make your mind.. to someone its holy to next one not so holy.
Theology is about studying meaning of God and questioning..

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posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 03:13 AM
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I think forcing the trinity upon people based on a few peoples interpretation is more cult like. The whole "yes it is, because we say so".

It is like saying that the term Elohim is also a reference to the trinity, because early and later Christians knew more about the Jewish faith than the Jews.....


It is desperate at times. It is not that WE want to make the trinity pagan, it is that EVERY other culture that had it was pagan. It is pagan worship that was left over from the pagan world. There are so many examples that the even the church has admitted to about just adopting pagan rituals, celebration days, traditions, ect, that the list is a bible in and of itself.

That much denial is just insane to me. Cultish.



posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 03:25 AM
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The concept of the Holy Trinity is blasphemy.
This is the three faces of Shiva; the Triple Goddess; AUM; etc...

1John 5:7-8, concerning the Trinity, is a proven forgery.

Iesous was not a Jew; he was not their Messiah, either.
He was much more than that.

Understand why the Marcionites and the later Cathars/Bogomils were exterminated by the Catholic Church (i.e. Jews, wolves in sheep's clothing).



posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 03:39 AM
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The Trinity is in the Bible. It's not a conspiracy. It's just something you can't wrap your head around...like advanced physics. A quick Google search will tell you everything about how the Trinity is in the Bible. Here's a primer:

TRINITY IN THE BIBLE (MANY MORE REFERENCES AVAILABLE)

One God:
1 Tim 2:5, Deut 4:35, 6:4, Isa 43:10-11:

Plurality of One God: Gen 1:26, 3:22, 11:7, Isa 6:8.
Isa 9:6 shows the multiple persons of God as Father, Son, and Counsellor
(aka Comforter, which Jesus said he would send to his disciples John 15:26)

The Father is God
Isa 6:3 ,1 Cor 8:6, John 17:1-3, II Cor 1:3, Philippians 2:11, Col 1:3,
I Peter 1:2, Matt 6:8, 7:21, Gal 1:1

The Son is God
Jn 12:41, 5:18, 20:28, 1:1-14, 9:35-3, Titus 2:13, Rom 9:5, II Pet 1:1,
Col 2:9, Heb 1:8-10, Rev 1:8,18, Is 7:14, 45:21-22 Mic 5:2, Matt 1:23

The Spirit is God
John 16:13, Heb 9:14, Acts 5:3-4, II Cor 3:17, John 15:26

Who raised Jesus from the dead:
Father Rom 6:4, Acts 3:26, I Thes 1:10
Son John 2:19-21, 10:17-18
Spirit Rom 8:11
God Heb 13:20, Acts 13:30, 17:31

Who is God?
Father Eph 4:6
Son Tit 2:13, John 1:1, 20:28, 9:35-37
Spirit Gen 1:2, Ps 104:30
God Gen 1:1, Heb 11:3

Who saves man?
Father 1 Pet 1:3
Son John 5:21, 4:14
Spirit John 3:6, Tit 3:5
God 1 John 3:9

Who justifies man?
Father Jer 23:6, II Cor 5:19
Son Rom 5:9, 10:4, II Cor 5:19,21
Spirit I Cor 6:11, Gal 5:5
God Rom 4:6, 9:33

Who sanctifies man?
Father Jude 1
Son Tit 2:14
Spirit I Pet 1:2
God Ex 31:13

Persons of God do: Of the Father, by the Son, through the Spirit 1 Cor:8:6, John 15:26


Doctrine of Trinity proven from Scripture: Mt 3:16,17; 28:19; Ro 8:9; 1Co 12:3-6;
2Co 13:14; Eph 4:4-6; 1Pe 1:2; Jude 1:20-21; Re 1:4-5
Divine titles applied to the three persons in: Ex 20:2, Joh 20:28; Ac 5:3-4
Each person in, described as
Eternal: Ro 16:26, Re 22:13, Heb 9:14
Holy: Re 4:8, 15:4; Ac 3:14; 1Jo 2:20
True: Joh 7;28, Re 3:7
Omnipresent: Jer 23:24; Eph 1:23; Ps 139:7
Omnipotent: Ge 17:1; Re 1:8; Ro 15:19; Jer 32:17; Heb 1:3; Lu 1:35
Omniscient: Ac 15:18; Joh 21:17; 1Co 2:10-11
Creator: Ge 1:1; Col 1:16; Job 33:4; Ps 148:5; Joh 1:3; Job 26:13
Sanctifier: Jude 1:1; Heb 2:11; 1Pe 1:2
Author of all spiritual operations: Heb 13:21; Col 1:29; 1Cor 12:11
Source of eternal life: Ro 6:23; Joh 10:28; Ga 6:8
Teacher: Isa 54:13; Lu 21:15; Joh 14:26; Isa 48:17; Ga 1:12; 1Jo 2:20
Raising Christ from the dead: 1Co 6:14; Joh 2:19; 1Pe 3:18
Inspiring the prophets, etc: Heb 1:1, 2Co 13:3; Mr 13:11
Supplying ministers to the church: Jer3:15; Eph 4:11, Ac 20:28; Jer 26:5; Mt 10:5; Ac 13:2
Salvation, the work of: 2Th 2:13; Tit 3:4-6; 1Pe 1:2
Baptism administered in the name of: Mt 28:19
Benediction given in name of: 2Co 13:14
and many many more
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posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 03:51 AM
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all those examples are single instances. There is no mention of the word trinity. Or three in one, or the triple god head reference. It is all interpretation.

I have heard Trinitarians refer to the term elohim, or references to elohim as proof of the trinity. Because it was implied.....no, just no.

If God or Jesus wanted us to think of his deity as a Trinitarian god he would have used direct terminology, even in allegory, like St. Patrick did.

You can say mass, no one is convinced beyond a sense of taboo and respect. Not out of a factual and scholarly examination of the countless mistranslations and marginalia errors.

It is just dishonest.
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posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 04:15 AM
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You wrote: "The Trinity is in the Bible. It's not a conspiracy. It's just something you can't wrap your head around...like advanced physics."

Well worded. Hebrews, along with the Hindus, are worshippers of elemental deities, such as the Devas.
This is the root of the word, "devil". Their gods are the Fallen; the Grigori; the Watchers which were cast down upon Mt. (C)Hermon, also known as Mt. Sion/Zion, or Kur-gal by the Sumerians. Incidentally, the cartographic coordinates of Mt. Zion (established by Louis XIV in 1666) is 33 degrees by 33 degrees from the Paris Zero Meridian.
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posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 04:32 AM
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The concept of the Trinity is Babylonian.
No real distinction exists between Jews, Catholics and Babylon.
Proto-Hebrew is Phoenician. Modern Hebrew is simply Aramaic script.
One quick look at the names of the Jewish months is rather telling:

Hebrew names of the months with their Babylonian analogs:

1 נִיסָן Nīsān Nisan Nissan Babylonian: Nisanu
2 אִיָּר / אייר ʼIyyār Iyyar Iyar Babylonian: Ayaru
3 סִיוָן / סיוון Sīwān Sivan Siwan Babylonian: Simanu
4 תַּמּוּז Tammūz Tammuz Tamuz Babylonian: Dumuzu (Babylonian god Dumuzi)
5 אָב ʼĀḇ Av Ab Babylonian: Abu
6 אֱלוּל ʼĔlūl Elul Babylonian: Ululu
7 תִּשׁרִי Tišrī Tishri Tishrei Babylonian: Tashritu .
8 מַרְחֶשְׁוָן / מרחשוון Marḥešwān Marẖeshvan Marcheshvan Babylonian: Arakhsamna (Called Bul)
9 כִּסְלֵו / כסליו Kislēw Kislev Kislev Babylonian: Kislimu
10 טֵבֵת Ṭēḇēṯ Tevet Tebeth Babylonian: Tebetu
11 שְׁבָט Šəḇāṭ Shvat Shevat Babylonian: Shabatu
12L* אֲדָר א׳ Adar I* 30 days *Only in Leap years.
12 אֲדָר / אֲדָר ב׳ ʼĂḏār Adar / Adar II* Babylonian: Adaru

(Wikipedia)



posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 05:12 AM
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exactly!

Really, mosses was a citizen of the Babylonian city of Ur. The "perversion" always returns!

I get tired of repeating this, but,

the Sumerians and Babylonians had 7 books of creation, the Semitic peoples converted it into their oral tradition and condensed the story into 7 days of creation.

Enuma Elish has, Adapa = red man,

Genesis has, Adam = red man.

There are many examples.

The " a third of the hosts of heaven rebelled against two thirds of the hosts of heaven" from the biblical account, in Sumerian mythology, Mardock´s 300 Iggi rebelled against Enil´s 600 Anunnaki on earth, in Eden. The rebellion according to Sumerian mythology was because their prince/ leader (Mardock) was to be wed to an earth maiden. They wanted to do as he did and took wives from the daughters of mankind. In the biblical account it was because the "devil" wanted to be like God. Even the Bible speaks of the Nephilim who took wives from amongst mankind.

Notice Enki, Enil, and Mardock (son of Enki) are all "God" to the Hebrews. Elohim, many Gods, and all their offspring as well.....

In both accounts the purity of God´s /gods´ creation was tainted by this action, and so a flood was needed to destroy the "men of old", "men of renown".

They also taught their new wives the secrets they were entrusted with, of which science and medicine were included. They taught them sorcery. The same sorcery that was supposedly the downfall of Solomon, by his wife's instruction, the pharaohs daughter...and we all know the connection of ancient Egypt and Babylon...


The " a third of the hosts of heaven rebelled against two thirds of the hosts of heaven" from the biblical acount, in sumarian mythology, Mardocks 300 Iggi (Iggi = watchers) rebelled against Enils 600 Annunaki on earth, in Eden. The rebellion acording to sumarian mythology was because their prince/ leader was to be wed to an earth maiden. They wanted to do as he did and took wives from the daughters of mankind. In the biblical acount it was because the "devil" wanted to be like God. Even the Bible speaks of the nephilim who took wives from amongst mankind.

In both acounts the purity of Gods /gods creation was tainted by this action, and so a flood ws needed to destroy the "men of old", "men of reknown".

They also taught their new wives the secrets they were intrusted with, of which science and medicine were included. They taught them socery. The same socery that was supposedly the downfall of Solomon, by his wifes instruction, the pharohs daughter...and we all know the connection of ancient egypt and babylon...



In both stories, matter exists when creation begins. Similar to Enuma Elish, Genesis 1 describes God ordering chaos, not creating something out of nothing.


Darkness precedes the creative acts.


In Enuma Elish the symbol of chaos is the goddess Tiamat who personifies the sea. Genesis refers to the “deep.” The Hebrew word is tehom, which is linguistically related to Tiamat.


In both stories, light exists before the creation of the sun, moon, and stars.


In both stories, there is a division of the waters above and below, with a barrier holding back the upper waters.


The sequence of creation is similar, including the division of waters, dry land, luminaries, and humanity, all followed by rest.




In both stories, matter exists when creation begins. Similar to Enuma Elish, Genesis 1 describes God ordering chaos, not creating something out of nothing.

Darkness precedes the creative acts.

In Enuma Elish the symbol of chaos is the goddess Tiamat who personifies the sea. Genesis refers to the “deep.” The Hebrew word is tehom, which is linguistically related to Tiamat.

In both stories, light exists before the creation of the sun, moon, and stars.

In both stories, there is a division of the waters above and below, with a barrier holding back the upper waters.

The sequence of creation is similar, including the division of waters, dry land, luminaries, and humanity, all followed by rest.
biologos.org...


In the Babylonian myth, the serpent, Ningishzida, is a friend to Adapa who helps him in his search for immortality.

In Genesis, the serpent is the enemy of Adam, trying to trick him out of the chance to understand good and evil by developing a moral sense and thus becoming fully human.

The gods of the Babylonians became the ancient Israelites' god.
www.religioustolerance.org...


Scholars detect many similarities between the Babylonian creation story in the Enuma Elish tablets and the first creation story in Genesis 1:1-2:4a. They say that Babylonian creation myth must have been added to the Book of Genesis by the Priestly Source during the Babylonian Exile.

In both Enuma Elish and Genesis the primordial world prior to creation was formless and empty, with just a watery abyss (Tiamat in the Enuma Elish, tehom, the "deep", a linguistic cognate of tiamat, in Genesis 1:2). The sequence of creation is identical: light, then firmament, dry land, luminaries, and man.

In both, the firmament, conceived as a solid inverted bowl, is created in the midst of the waters to separate the heavens from the earth (Genesis 1:6-7, Enuma Elish 4:137-40). Day and night preceded the creation of the luminous bodies, whose function is to yield light and regulate time.

In Enuma Elish, the gods consulted before creating man, while Genesis has: "Let us make man in our image..." In both accounts, the creation of man was followed by divine rest.
wiki.answers.com...

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You want to know why the bible and most cultures had a HUGE taboo about women practicing religious "crafts"..??....because the original sin of their fornication with the Iggi, bore the fallen, and because they were taught and disseminated the forbidden arts to mankind. (occultism´s secret teachings). The feminine aspect of power has its place in memory for this as well....

The same reason why the "mother Goddess" was stripped from almost all mythology at the same time across the globe and replaced with a creator male God....

The reason for sacred wedding rituals is because Mardocks wedding ceremony was used by the Iggi to get onto earth and into Eden to take wives for themselves. The wedding was a union of the Divine Murdock and the mortal human wife he chose.

This sacred wedding feast of divine and mortal was repeated in countless myths....

Gives a new meaning to the "son of God /gods" doesn't it?

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Now think to the supposed link of Jesus´birth and the possible fatherhood by king Herrod, whom in the old world by being of royal blood would be of divine blood.....his cananite practices by his mother/ bride, ( the marys from the bible are usually the same person taken allegorically),

Mary's mother was probably a high priestess and maybe even Mary herself for the Ishtar temples, they practiced sacred marriage since times forgotten, think to how sacred marriage is still practiced in the occult. Think to the trinity now in this context. An honored woman, gives birth to a sacred daughter, and she is united with a sacred sacrificial man....now look to mythology for similarities....also note that Jesus made Mary a mother during the crucifixion story....perhaps she was not before?....yeah it gets strange....

Maybe the women in Jesus' life were an allegorical reference to the triple Goddess (were the same person) and he was like their Horus, a willing sacrifice, it would explain the bafflement of the Roman rule as to why he was asked to be sentenced to death. I wonder who was in the crowd before Pilate when he was sentenced?

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posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
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all those examples are single instances. There is no mention of the word trinity. Or three in one, or the triple god head reference. It is all interpretation.

I have heard Trinitarians refer to the term elohim, or references to elohim as proof of the trinity. Because it was implied.....no, just no.

If God or Jesus wanted us to think of his deity as a Trinitarian god he would have used direct terminology, even in allegory, like St. Patrick did.

You can say mass, no one is convinced beyond a sense of taboo and respect. Not out of a factual and scholarly examination of the countless mistranslations and marginalia errors.

It is just dishonest.
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Dishonest from your non-believing viewpoint.
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enosh – Mortal
Kenan – Sorrow
Mahalalel – The blessed God
Jared – Shall come down
Enoch – Teaching
Methuselah – His death shall bring
Lamech – Despairing
Noah – Comfort and rest

Occults attack any and all scripture by declaring "interpretation to be wrong". They must deny WHO Jesus was because of their dogma and belief that "man can be like god". But yet, scripture from the very beginning declares that Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow, (but) the blessed God shall come down teaching. His death shall bring (the) despairing comfort and rest . Why is it so very problamatic for them and their serpent doctrines? Because Yahushua means "God (Yahweh/Yah) saves" and this very name destroys the lies inherent in the serpents promises - that man can become like god through opening his eyes through their mystery knowledge. Our Creator is clear, from start to finish, declares that it is only HE WHO SAVES.


"I and the Father are one." John 10:30


Who are the hand and arm?


"O sing unto the LORD [Jehovah, the existing One] a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory" (Psalm 98:1). "The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength "



"Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young" Isaiah 40:10-11



"Thou hast with thine arm redeemed thy people" (Psalm 77:15)


Scripture, from beginning to end, declares the nature of the Creator.



posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 06:22 AM
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Occults attack any and all scripture by declaring "interpretation to be wrong".


No, everyone argues about interpretation, hence the council of Nicea and the council of Trent.

The "believers" argue about interpretation to this day. It is a woeful legacy to deny people the truth and argue about how best to skew a message of peace and spiritual growth.

I stand by my discovered truths. No word trinity or 3 in one, no trinity.....period.


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People still argue so much about their own personal interpretation that another ecumenical council is going to be needed. Or have you not noticed that the American bishops and cardinals in the US might break away from Rome? (all that Marian worship went to their heads....)

They are not too happy with the rollback of reforms that our new pope is doing. They are pretty defiant aren't they?

Stands to reason why there are so many splinter Christian groups where interpretation was given value over fact and actual meaning.

keep it up.

Novus ordo because someone saw it that way, back to the original way, because someone else saw it that way,, and on and on....lose your credibility and show us the fallacy.


The whole church is in a state of schism......
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posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 06:36 AM
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Conspiracy? The whole Christian religion is a farce...not sure I would call it a conspiracy...maybe. Jesus was a mortal man that the powers that be used to create a new religion to control the people and go against Jews and Muslims and anyone else that got in their way. The trinity to me is proof that Christians are Pagans, not that there is anything wrong with that. I believe in God. Why does anyone need more?

Jesus was a Jew and yet Christians hate Jews? That makes sense to people? Then of course all the genocide in the name of Christianity over the years. Please. These people are not religious, they are power hungry and evil, hiding behind the veil of religion...



posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
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Jesus never spoke of it. All references people make to it are subjective to interpretation and so come from the interpreter.


A very interesting statement, and oh so true. People parrot what they have been taught, and many times are either to lazy or apathetic to research these matters, which are more important than they realize.

The Trinity may have been a "Mystery" that humans can't understand so say the Clergy and those that repeat that mantra of dogma, but not in 2012, there is way to much information out there on it, it is no longer a "mystery".
This is a very interesting thread so far!!! I fell asleep reading it (wait, that makes it sound boring- no, it was 2AM!) and picked back up when I got my morning coffee.

Got as far as the post I'm quoting and need to reply what came to me suddenly, based on several posts of other trinity deities- one being Mother, Daughter & Crone(Time.)

Imagine Jesus, 2,000 years ago transcends the 4th dimension. He experiences the Oneness with the Father of Creation. This Holy Spirit (of Time) is the wind on which he travels to his future, his past, as he meditates away from the others.

He knows he will be murdered. He knows who will betray him and who will doubt him 3 times before the cock crows. He leaves in his wake, knowledge of the path to invoke the power of The Holy Spirit (of Time) so that others too may connect to the beginning and the end of time... The Alpha and the Omega... The Father of Creation.

He teaches his disciples The Way, The Truth and The Light, but like a game of 'gossip' the message gets distorted and loses its meaning over time and/or the Council of Nicea alters to keep the knowledge away from the general population, lest they be self-sufficient and not need the church or any governance by an elite leadership.

What's more, Jesus KNEW this would happen, hence he often spoke in parables to confound those who would seek to destroy his true message. That much is clear if you read the Gospel of Thomas. ("Let him who hath ears, hear..." ) The Council wouldn't bother to take the time altering passages unless they realized the meaning outright.

NOTE: I'm not throwing this out there as gospel (pun intended) I am sharing a journey my mind went on while reading the combination of posts on this thread, is all... After all, "Seek and ye shall find..." so I, for one, feel God is A-Ok with me dwelling on the mystery of His aspects...



posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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Christians need to ask themselves what did their Deity order everyone to call him in the ancient texts?

YHWH. Soooo......where did this new English word "God" come from? King James. He was having money/power problems and decried everyone to pray to 'God', which the English pronunciation sounds exactly how the old people called GAD, the old Semitic Deity of FORTUNE.

The Trinity is a conspiracy just like the creation of the new English word 'GOD' is a conspiracy. If there IS a YHWH....he's going to be mad everyone's praying to the false deity, GAD...the Deity of Fortune.

Jesus wasn't a Deity. Nobody should be praying to him. YHWH ordered everyone to ONLY pray to him.



posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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It's a Trinity of Trinities: the Book of the Revelation states that there are Seven Spirits of God.

Add to the Seven the Father and the Son - then you get a ninefold Godhead.



posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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Surprisingly, yes, it was a conspiracy of sorts.

Here's the history;
* in the early Church there was a division between those who thought Jesus was a prophet and those who thought he was God
* this "three-in-one" doctrine arises sometime about 150 AD (after the last of the original authors of the New Testament were dead)
* the Arians (not to be confused with Aryans) taught that God was a pure being and that worshiping Jesus was a move away from the pure monotheistic worship of God.
* Arians taught that Jesus was semi-divine and lesser than God himself.
* The majority of Christians supported worshiping Jesus and Jehovah (YHWH) as two-beings-in-one and the Holy Spirit as the divine way they/he worked.
* The Council of Nicea enforced this view
* The Arians were declared heretics and killed for their beliefs.

So... you could actually have it either way -- the Arians were the conspirators or the other Christians were the conspirators. In either case, a minority thought was declared religious heresy and anyone suspected of holding this view was killed.

(link to nice, bullet-point (with references) document on this)

(Although I'm Pagan, I always thought worshipping Jesus as the same being as God made no sense, particularly when you consider his actions and his words.)





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