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What the next 4 years are going to look like

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posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 04:42 AM
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

I think you're right, that "these things are complex," very complex. Personally, I don't think it has as much to do with being a "political" issue as it does with being a "human" issue because there are many more conservatives than liberals around here and in my opinion MOST of the people would prefer the schools to raise their children because people have become very lazy. I don't think they forget to teach their kids, I just don't think that many of them know how anymore. And I do blame the government for that, but I blame both sides for it. They don't teach you how to raise a family in school and I think that somewhere down the line parents started forgetting how to do it... right around the time of that magic baby sitting box in the living room.

I disagree that society is teaching people that children are a throw away item. Sure, the whole "abortion issue" is pretty popular right now but I think that's what " they " want us to be fighting over while they continue to screw us all even more. "They" being the "government" or those ultra rich men and very big business who pay the government to make the decisions that they desire to be made.

Most people still disagree with abortion as a form of birth control and aren't going to change their opinion on that. Every liberal I know disagrees with abortion, they're just more open minded about it when it comes to major health risks, drug addict mothers, and rape. I wouldn't want to force a woman to have a child if she was impregnated from rape and I damn sure wouldn't want to be the child, I have a feeling that would be very hard on a lot of people and it's something that I would consider to be torture to make someone go through.

If there's fairly high chance of the mother dying because of the pregnancy then I would fully support an abortion. I would also support an abortion if the child was going to be born with major health problems or mental retardation, as I would rather be dead than have to live like that.

What I do not support is some girl getting an abortion just because she got knocked up. In my opinion there are plenty of couples who for whatever reason simply cannot have a child and would make great loving parents. If you were too stupid to use birth control or you did and STILL somehow got pregnant ( which actually happened to us with our second child ) but you just REALLY don't think that you could be a parent than set up an adoption before the child is born. And I don't want to hear an excuse like "oh but being pregnant is gonna suck and having a baby is gonna hurt." Because the way I look at it is like this: you screwed up and got pregnant, now it's time to step up and be responsible for your actions! Like I said, there are tons of couples that want a child but can't have one, such as gay couples for instance, there is no reason for an abortion outside of medical reasons or rape in my opinion.

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posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 05:02 AM

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Anundeniabletruth

How does it hurt them to put something back into the system if it isn't going to hurt them any?

You know this whole point of rich people paying their fair share was why I responded to you tonight. I know it sounds nice and all, but there is the catch, when intelligent and generous people such as yourself wonder why the wealthy don't give more. But to have the govt just arbitrarily take more from wealthy is of itself a socialist action of redistribution of income. It really matters not what the relative level is, the action is the same and the govt has no business confiscating our paychecks for their arbitrary reasons. That is why the Revolutionary was fought and our Founding Father set up the Constitution, but the socialists have found a way to get through the fortress.

But that is the problem. Every president and the majority of our politicians throughout U.S history has been corrupt. Abraham Lincoln himself, the man many credit with "freeing the slaves," when in fact he did not desire to do so because it was the just or right thing to do for his fellow man, he thought black people and native Americans were of lesser importance than the white people, DID NOT FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION fully. ( which allowed the events of the Civil War to occur in the ways that they did ) I find that the ability to accept that fact to be much more of a problem with "Republicans" than "Democrats" today. Funny because the Democrats were the "bad" party of the 1800s. Personally, I don't think the Whigs were much better, but you know, politics...

posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 09:44 AM
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Look, we've seen your understanding of what Socialism is ad nauseum. You have had many arguments with various people including myself on the topic. You always veer off into some dark fantasy and debate can't continue without logic. Most Americans, especially Right Wing Americans have no idea what Socialism actually is and it is pointless to argue with you endlessly because you are fully incapable of conceding a point. You posses the logic of a Crusader. Congrats by the way, on derailing entirely, yet another thread... I think you may have a perfect record going.

posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 02:23 PM
reply to post by Anundeniabletruth

because there are many more conservatives than liberals around here and in my opinion MOST of the people would prefer the schools to raise their children because people have become very lazy.

Let me see if I got this concept right, you feel that it is conservatives who are too lazy to teach their own children because you yourself are more liberal and you teach your kids about sex, so therefore most people are really conservative.

Is that right or did I miss something? Just checking to be sure I didn't misunderstand your statement.
Might I surmise from this that you feel that this is the reason why more liberals want sex ed in the schools, because libs teach their kids and conservatives don't?
Did it occur to you that conservatives just don't want the govt deciding when their kids get introduced to sex?
Let us just think about Barack when he first ran in 08. It came out that he supported openly sex ed for kindergartners in hopes of stemming the tide of evil parents who molest their kids. This was also apparent in the Saddleback forum when he was asked what issues were most on his heart. His answer was genocide in Darfur and parents molesting their kids. So we know this is what he thinks of most parents and assumes that telling kids about sex in kindergartner will help them understand what their evil parents are doing to them(that the kindergartner teacher introducing them to gay sex will not).
And now you are telling me that it's all conservative parents who not only do not teach their kids about sex, but also are now having sex with their kids......

Is that right? Did I miss something?

posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 02:25 PM
reply to post by Kali74

I'm not even going to discuss this with you anymore. It's done. I have posted dictionary definitions, stuff from Marx and the Communist Manifesto, stuff from Lenin, and my own college textbook and still you keep repeating the same dull sentence.
It's done.
No more. I will not entertain your idea again. So say it as much as you like. It won't make it true, but people who understand will know what is right and what is not.

posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 05:29 PM
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Nope, not at all. You must have misunderstood me. What I was saying is that, most people where I live are conservative Christians, but "most" people, ignoring their political leanings, in this area are lazy and would prefer to just let the schools handle that sort of thing if it means less work on their part. I live in east Tennessee, it's pretty bible belt, and the majority of the voters were Romney supporters. I cannot speak for the entire U.S. and were I offered a bet I would feel safe to bet that neither can you. So I can only make the claim that most people around here are as I described but those people, in my opinion of course, do not represent the conservative base in it's entirety, and I'm pretty you're in a similar position as me, you cannot say that you "know" how the entire democratic base across the U.S. is, only what you like to think of them as...

I do not think that being a lazy pos parent has anything to do with being conservative or democrat, nor do I think that it ever did. Politicians hardly represent voters anyway. I think being a lazy pos parent has everything to do with the "new" type of American, a type that is pretty much equally conservative and democratic. I think hat to claim otherwise and judge one side because it's not "your side" no matter who the "you" that we are talking about may be, is pure biased insanity at it's finest. A misled bunch of people who buy into that partisan BS, if you will.

As far as the Obama crap about sex ed in school at an early age... I do not approve of it. 6 and 7 year olds aren't really old enough to worry about that kind of thing yet. I do think hat "conservative" parents are indeed less likely to teach their children that sort of thing when the time comes because that fact is very true of the conservative around me.

You speak as if you believe that I support Obama... I've already stated many times on ATS that I have never voted for that man. Do I hate him and think that he is going to be the end of the world? Not at all. He's not much different than any other politician to me and I truly believe that Mittens would have been damn similar if he had been elected and I would be on Facebook trolling and laughing at my liberal friends for being butt hurt about an Obama loss just like I do now with my right leaning friends ( most of them are fiscally conservative, I don't hang out with many socially conservative people) because of the way it happened to turn it now.

I keep telling people that there has never been, and unless we do something about it, will never be a president that isn't corrupt... they never listen.

As far as child molester go:

How socialist does this make me?

If I had my way people like me would be permitted to slowly torture them for months until we finally decide that they've been punished enough and let them die.

And what in the blue hell did I ever to say that would make you think that I am claiming that anyone is having sex with their children? I DO NOT believe that most people have sex with their kids, and I AM NOT saying that conservative do so. What I do think is that conservatives would approve of my methods of dealing with those who do much more than liberal people would but I believe that most people from any political leaning would share disgust towards the sickos of this world who would have sex with their kids. What the hell man... that doesn't even make sense. How did you come to that conclusion? Were you on any kind of prescription medications at the time of asking that? I mean that was a bit... crazy. And has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said.
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posted on Nov, 22 2012 @ 10:57 PM
reply to post by Anundeniabletruth

but "most" people, ignoring their political leanings, in this area are lazy and would prefer to just let the schools handle that sort of thing

Isn't that what I said in the first place, then you squirmed and said no you and your wife teach your kids that stuff then later you said this:

because there are many more conservatives than liberals around here and in my opinion MOST of the people would prefer the schools to raise their children because people have become very lazy.

Pardon me for misinterpreting your statement.

You would have to admit that BO telling people that parents molesting their children were the most important thing on his mind together with his desire for kindergartners to have "age appropriate sex ed" one has to follow the logic here.
From what I have observed, liberals tend to think children need this education at earlier ages than conservative, and that is one reason why conservatives do not want schools putting this stuff in the minds of children at earlier and earlier ages.
. I never said it was liberals or conservatives, I just said that when people know the school is doing this stuff they may just say ok let the school do it.
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posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 12:05 AM
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Okay, I'll just keep "squirming."

Lets get one thing straight since you obviously lack the ability to see things outside of the strange views that your imagination has seemingly trapped you in. I am not going to say that you know something about me that you do not in order to boost your ego because I could care less about your ego. I've explained my position to you and you do not like it so you put words in my mouth and wonder why I refuse to accept them. But I get it now, and I feel stupid for taking this long to catch on... You are a sick person. If something is not the way you want it to be then you deny that it is real. I truly hope that one day you are able to find help with that.

Every time we've gotten close to something that you are uncomfortable with because you know that you lack the ability to "win" on the particular position, you have changed the subject or attempted to to insult me. Someone can have a much more intellectual conversation with my seven year old child than it seems is possible with you and I do not have the patience for these games so I am done here.

Democrips and Rebloodlicans are BOTH crazy. You seem to have chosen to consider yourself to be one of them, that's none of my business and I would prefer to keep it that way. If people cannot learn how to think outside of the box then this country will never be worth a damn.

This is the end of my participation in our conversation and I am now headed off to spend my time in a much more productive manner.

posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 02:01 AM
reply to post by Anundeniabletruth

Lets get one thing straight since you obviously lack the ability to see things outside of the strange views that your imagination has seemingly trapped you in

Now you are going to insult me because you indicated there are more conservatives in your neighborhood and you feel that most are too lazy blah blah blah. I can dish it right back out buddy.I said one thing you said another then you decided to say something similar to what I said so that you couldn't have it pinned on you that you discriminate against conservatives.
Whatever. This all gets so tiring.
I will tell you something. Christians and conservatives know that liberals have a different mindset and a different set of values and that liberals do not want conservatives raining on their parade. They know that secular humanism is replacing traditional values and you are telling me that a majority in your area are conservative and most are too lazy to care about what is in their kids textbooks. I'd say it's quite the other way around, most conservatives are becoming aware of the degrading of traditional values.BO was re elected because people somehow believe his lies and the lies of those behind him. When he didn't measure up to leftist standards they said oh he's centrist oh he're really more Republican or right wing or whatever because they just cannot admit that he is exactly what they voted for TWICE.
People who support him voted for free contraceptives ( because they believe, like you that poor babies are better off dead or never conceived) and they voted for the welfare state and higher deficit spending to pay for Universal healthcare. For the second term they voted for NDAA and assassinations of American citizens abroad, drones spying on American citizens, and gun bans and UN treaties.

Sad but true.

So if you are going to resort to degrading insults it wouldn't be the first time someone did that to me.
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posted on Nov, 23 2012 @ 02:28 AM
reply to post by Anundeniabletruth

Democrips and Rebloodlicans are BOTH crazy. You seem to have chosen to consider yourself to be one of them,

You don't know anything about me and yet you are telling me about my ego. What a copout that is. You can't win this battle throwing around insults.
I remember when Phyllis Schlafly was fighting ERA because Constitutionally it had the potential to force women into the battlefront, even pregnant women. It is a sorry day when men and feminists alike do not defend women and the unborn.
Now today Progressives in the OWS movement are dredging up the old ERA and changing it to add a new group of people. It's the same stuff with a different name.
Let me say, it is a LIE that children need sex ed in kindergarten. SIECUS and Planned Parenthood have been dreaming up that program for a while now and BO was all set to implement it.

Thank goodness parents with common sense have stood up to that nonsense.

Lest you think I am just partisan, and you already do, but I wanted to clarify some things, I did not like Bush's wars and I don't like Barack's either. Bush spent a lot and Barack is spending even more. Bush is 3rd generation Bonesman and I have read quite a bit about that. CFR, TC, and BIlderbergs are running the Shadow Govt no matter who is Prez. Soros attends BIlderberg meetings.
I disagree with things like forced vaccinations. I disagreed when it came out that Rick Perry allowed that Gardasil mandate from Big Pharma. In my view it was one of the biggest factors in him losing the Republican nomination. I disagreed with the Patriot Act. I disagree with NDAA. I disagree with TSA enhanced groping and backscatter machines with radiation.
I am fully aware that bankers and businessmen backed Hitler and the Bolsheviks but that doesn't make me anti corporation.
I am not going to fold just because a couple people here (not you) say I don't know what socialism or communism is.
Antony Sutton says that the NWO is the synthesis of the left/right Hegelian dialectic. It is neither right nore left.
There have been bunches of communists running about the WH. Should this be ignored or is this what people really want?
Totalitarianism is at the base of the One World Govt.

Anyway it does get tiring arguing with people about this and I think it's time for me to not focus on this thread for a while.
So I'm sorry I don't make sense to you, but I still wish you a nice holiday season regardless and hope as Americans we can learn and and overthrow the yoke of the One World slavery and find our freedom from oppression.
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