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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 08:30 PM
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Such a long post lot of effort not any substance simple fact it is not up to you, or government or anyone else to decide how much someone else gets to have, or what they earn.




posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by TheIceQueen
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How about you start by telling me how nothing that the OP posted has to do with Marxist ideology in anyway what so ever?


What? Do you have any clue of what you speak? Go ahead and point out your marxist illustrations.

CJ



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by Anundeniabletruth

You don't need $10 million a year to live extremely comfortably, hell you don't even need $1 million a year to do so. I don't see any self made multimillionaire being stupid enough to waste most of his/her earnings. Sure, someone who inherits their wealth, or a celebrity might be dumb enough to waste most of their money, but someone who worked for it isn't usually going to. They didn't get to where they are by being stupid!

Why would any individual need more than they need? Especially when it's being hoarded. As I said, that money is being taken out of the economy but NOT put back in.

On average, what do you think the guy who sees $50,000 a year does with the majority of his money? He spends it. But the guy who sees $50 million... what the hell is he gonna spend all of that on if he's too busy earning the damn money? Most of what that rich guy earns does not get spent, so as I keep saying, it's being taken out but not put back in.

Sure, 40 years down the road when the hoarded money is worth a lot less than it is today, the rich guy's offspring or their offspring who inherit that money will probably waste much of it on pointless crap and put it back into the system by doing so but 40 years is kind of a long time to replace something that has been removed and doesn't do anything to help our failing economy today. We probably don't have 40 years! And even if we do, the economy will essentially be getting back less than was taken out.

I'm not saying to take "all of their money." Not at all. What I am suggesting, is that it would make sense for them to be expected to do their part to try and keep this sinking ship from actually doing so. They don't need 100s of millions so how does it hurt them to make some damn jobs or something? I don't consider someone with $ 1,000,000 to be "ultra rich" and am not saying that we should "take their money." Someone with over $20,000,000 on the other hand... well they sure as hell ain't goin broke anytime soon.

Give me a GOOD reason why those who have had the opportunity to become extremely wealthy in this country shouldn't do everything within their power to keep the place afloat and hopefully allow others to have that very same opportunity. There are a lot of places on this planet where those people wouldn't have initially had the opportunity that they did and were it more for America would probably never be anywhere near as wealthy as they are today. That's what America is supposed to be about. Why is it wrong for the rich to invest in the nation hat invested in them?

Most of the rich people probably aren't "evil" but hoarding that money isn't a very good way to show America that they aren't greedy.

I answered yours but I bet you don't answer my question!
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You use "opportunity" quite a bit, typical. Tell me what defines one with "opportunity" in America? Explain how people in modern day America do not all have an "opportunity" to better themselves? Everyone in modern day America has an opportunity to succeed in this country.



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 08:49 PM
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Really we all have the same opportunity? Sounds a little marxist to me.

CJ



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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Lol, well in a marxist inspired society, what do you expect the society to become? Thanks for adding to my point.



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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Lol, well in a marxist inspired society, what do you expect the society to become? Thanks for adding to my point.



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by TheIceQueen
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Lol, well in a marxist inspired society, what do you expect the society to become? Thanks for adding to my point.


You don't even know what your own theory entertains.

CJ



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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Lol, please do educate me on exactly what my theory is, and what I am ignorant of it entertaining?



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by TheIceQueen
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Lol, please do educate me on exactly what my theory is, and what I am ignorant of it entertaining?


Good lord, first you say we all have equal opportunity as a good thing then you say it is marxist. Which one is it?

CJ



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 09:07 PM
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Good lord I don't believe that I said whether or not it is a good or bad thing, it seems as if you are transforming my posts into whatever you wish..



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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I get out fine. I just pulled out my University textbook to make the point. It's not like I hadn't already studied it. It just gets tiring when people make assertions based on some balogna being fed to them by people promoting an agenda who aren't being on the level.



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by TheIceQueen
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Lol, please do educate me on exactly what my theory is, and what I am ignorant of it entertaining?


Good lord, first you say we all have equal opportunity as a good thing then you say it is marxist. Which one is it?

CJ


This is all settled with my posts on the differences between capitalism and Marxism. In socialism you have forced redistribution of wealth from wealthy people to less wealthy people(instead of by voluntary charity) and a statist bureacratic centralized planning, and in capitalism, you have contracts between a buyer and a seller and mostly private control of production.

Just read my posts instead of making assertions and you will understand. It's just textbook stuff.
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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by TheIceQueen
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Good lord I don't believe that I said whether or not it is a good or bad thing, it seems as if you are transforming my posts into whatever you wish..



You use "opportunity" quite a bit, typical. Tell me what defines one with "opportunity" in America? Explain how people in modern day America do not all have an "opportunity" to better themselves? Everyone in modern day America has an opportunity to succeed in this country.


What was your point then? Do you like to just post gibberish?

CJ



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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I get out fine. I just pulled out my University textbook to make the point. It's not like I hadn't already studied it. It just gets tiring when people make assertions based on some balogna being fed to them by people promoting an agenda who aren't being on the level.


Well, perhaps that is the issue. Speaking of being on the level, are you ready to admit that Bush Sr and Bush Jr were on the CFR/Kissinger payroll?

CJ



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by TheIceQueen
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Good lord I don't believe that I said whether or not it is a good or bad thing, it seems as if you are transforming my posts into whatever you wish..



You use "opportunity" quite a bit, typical. Tell me what defines one with "opportunity" in America? Explain how people in modern day America do not all have an "opportunity" to better themselves? Everyone in modern day America has an opportunity to succeed in this country.


What was your point then? Do you like to just post gibberish?

CJ


LOL. so let me get this straight, if one posts factual information in which are of relevance to a topic, yet do not give their personal opinion as to whether or not it is "good or bad" it is "posting gibberish"? Lol, I'm a bit confused though, because prior to this, you claimed that I DID in fact say that it was good, although I never posted such a thing, which is it?



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by TheIceQueen

Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by TheIceQueen
reply to post by ColoradoJens
 


Good lord I don't believe that I said whether or not it is a good or bad thing, it seems as if you are transforming my posts into whatever you wish..



You use "opportunity" quite a bit, typical. Tell me what defines one with "opportunity" in America? Explain how people in modern day America do not all have an "opportunity" to better themselves? Everyone in modern day America has an opportunity to succeed in this country.


What was your point then? Do you like to just post gibberish?

CJ


LOL. so let me get this straight, if one posts factual information in which are of relevance to a topic, yet do not give their personal opinion as to whether or not it is "good or bad" it is "posting gibberish"? Lol, I'm a bit confused though, because prior to this, you claimed that I DID in fact say that it was good, although I never posted such a thing, which is it?


Apparently you don't understand conversational English. Typically you have a point that enforces an opinion. You just say words without knowing what you are saying. Again, very simply put, which one is it? Good or bad we have an equal opportunity?

CJ



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by ColoradoJens
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Libs said for 8 years that Bush was a fascist. Many people have said we might not have elections. I personally think Barak will not want to give up the power. But it's more, it's the whole Totalitarian machine picking up speed like a runaway train.


Sooo...you didn't address my questions. In your post back to me first you say you don't believe Obama will have a third term, then you say what you say above, indicating it is your belief. You also say "libs" said 8 years of Bush was fascist, ignoring your own CFR/Kissinger ties to Bush. So you are ok with the New World Order as long as they are Republicans. Ok then.

CJ


I never said whether Obama would or would not have a third term, I said that I was having a conversation with someone and he mentioned the idea that TPTB might make it so that Obama has a third term, however that would be through war or economic collapse or whatever, because you see, we know Obama will do anything he wants. He said himself Congress was just a hangup and he'd just go around it, and we know that he does with Executive orders and such. Then I posted several other bloggers who have said similar things about how they think Obama would usurp authority and try to have another term, and then finally I posted that a democrat Senator has in fact introduced a resolution to amend the Amendment which was passed during the FDR term to limit terms of Presidential power because of what FDR did. Another thing that some Congress people were trying to do was to change the rules on who can become President and this was shortly before Obama's Presidential run. My guess is that they knew ahead that he would be in the run and they knew already the issues of his BC might come up. It was cloaked in McCain's run as well.
These people would do anything to sustain power.

Also Obama did say to Medvedev that he would have "more flexiblity" after the election..... And see they are revving up war with Iran and Israel.



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
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Libs said for 8 years that Bush was a fascist. Many people have said we might not have elections. I personally think Barak will not want to give up the power. But it's more, it's the whole Totalitarian machine picking up speed like a runaway train.


Sooo...you didn't address my questions. In your post back to me first you say you don't believe Obama will have a third term, then you say what you say above, indicating it is your belief. You also say "libs" said 8 years of Bush was fascist, ignoring your own CFR/Kissinger ties to Bush. So you are ok with the New World Order as long as they are Republicans. Ok then.

CJ


I never said whether Obama would or would not have a third term, I said that I was having a conversation with someone and he mentioned the idea that TPTB might make it so that Obama has a third term, however that would be through war or economic collapse or whatever, because you see, we know Obama will do anything he wants. He said himself Congress was just a hangup and he'd just go around it, and we know that he does with Executive orders and such. Then I posted several other bloggers who have said similar things about how they think Obama would usurp authority and try to have another term, and then finally I posted that a democrat Senator has in fact introduced a resolution to amend the Amendment which was passed during the FDR term to limit terms of Presidential power because of what FDR did. Another thing that some Congress people were trying to do was to change the rules on who can become President and this was shortly before Obama's Presidential run. My guess is that they knew ahead that he would be in the run and they knew already the issues of his BC might come up. It was cloaked in McCain's run as well.
These people would do anything to sustain power.

Also Obama did say to Medvedev that he would have "more flexiblity" after the election..... And see they are revving up war with Iran and Israel.


So when a repub is elected in 4 years, what will you say?

CJ



posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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Where did I suggest eliminating the educational system? I do think it needs an overhaul, but when people try to say that I don't know what socialism is, I know that either they themselves don't know, or they are putting out propaganda.
In fact, much of our Statist style of education comes from John Dewey, a Statist who signed the first Humanist Manifesto, and his ideas were borrowed from Hegellianism, which as we know were embraced by Marx and Engels. So right there is your first clue that our modern educational system is borrowed from Hegelian and Marxist ideas.

Here is what Antony Sutton says about education in his book "How The Order Controls Education"


When The Order brought G. Stanley Hall from Leipzig to Johns Hopkins University, John Dewey was already there, waiting to write his doctoral dissertation on "The Psychology of Kant." Already a Hegelian in philosophy, he acquired and adapted the experimental psychology of Wundt and Hall to his concept of education for social change. To illustrate this, here's a quote from John Dewey in My Pedagogic Creed:
"The school is primarily a social institution. Education being a social process, the school is simply that form of community life in which all those agencies are concentrated that will be most effective in bringing the child to share in the inherited resources of the race, and to use his own powers for social ends. Education, therefore, is a process of living and not a preparation for future living."
What we learn from this is that Dewey's education is not child centered but State centered, because for the Hegelian, "social ends" are always State ends.
This is where the gulf of misunderstanding between modern parents and the educational system begins. Parents believe a child goes to school to learn skills to use in the adult world, but Dewey states specifically that education is "not a preparation for future living." The Dewey educational system does not accept the role of developing a child's talents but, contrarily, only to prepare the child to function as a unit in an organic whole - in blunt terms a cog in the wheel of an organic society. Whereas most Americans have moral values rooted in the individual, the values of the school system are rooted in the Hegelian concept of the State as the absolute.



www.sntp.net...

Then in addition, we have what I already posted, taxpayer subsidizing of what was formerly private Christian schooling and laws put into place to force American parents into submitting their children to public education and the brainwashing and behvior modification that goes with it.

So you want to know if I heard of John Brown. I ask if you ever heard of values clarification. It is a modern behavior modification technique designed to tear from children the values of their parents and replace them with Statist ideas which TPTB want the children to have for social engineering purposes.

I'm not exactly sure what point you were making about John Brown as an abolitionist? Were you trying to make an assertion about it?















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posted on Nov, 21 2012 @ 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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Such a long post lot of effort not any substance simple fact it is not up to you, or government or anyone else to decide how much someone else gets to have, or what they earn.



I never once said that it was up to me. I attempted to answer the question that you asked. That shows me that some people make more effort than you because I did go out of my way to entertain you while you on the other hand made no effort to do such a thing. You continue to offer the same circular nonsense that you always do without actually answering anything. Sounds a bit like a whiny entitled person to me...

When did I ever say that it should be up to me or the government to decide how much someone gets to have? Let them earn what they can earn. BUT do not allow them to remain a citizen while operating their business in another country and then selling the crap to us. If they like those other places so much I don't see why they need to live in America. If they don't want to help keep the country that protects them more than it protects everyone else afloat then why the hell do they want to live there in the first place? It comes back to that whole thing where there is no gun being held to their head. They certainly have the money to leave and myself and many others wont miss them one bit. It would at least make a little more sense if you tried to make the claim that I'm trying to say that the government should be able to decide how much of it they get to take. Hell, they do it to the rest of us on the daily, why not the rich?

You keep saying that everyone but the rich are getting more out of the system than they are putting in but what you keep ignoring is the fact that most people who are actually putting anything in aren't getting anything back. MOST people who actually pay taxes aren't getting government assistance or government bailouts of any kind so they actually are not getting more out of it than they put in.

It seems to me that you are truly anti-government if it is not one that fully supports the wealthy, which ours currently does by the way... Does this mean that you would prefer a true system of anarchy? In a real anarchy, no matter how much of a superiority complex you may have, it is incredibly likely that you would be dead. As a matter of fact, it is MUCH more likely that someone with a mental health condition such as a superiority complex or a sociopath would die faster than the others. You would not be wealthy, at least not for very long, because everyone would be trying to take yo sh*t and they would all be very willing to kill you to do so. There wouldn't be a government there to stop them so it would be you versus them and you damn sure can't fight them all off, doesn't matter how much of a superhero you might think you are... A lot of people would be forced into slavery too.

We have governments to prevent everyone from running around killing each other...

Do me one favor and explain to me how it is that someone becomes very pro-rich people and anti-EVERYONE else... Or don't... and prove to me that the only purpose you actually serve is to complain without actually doing anything at all to solve any problems. Just keep whining kid, just keep whining. BUT if you do decide to keep pretending to be a child, at least let the big boys handle the real world issues.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head screaming STAY IN AMERICA! If you don't like it here you're free to leave. Otherwise, you are really going to have to get over the fact that everyone isn't going to agree with you, just like myself and many others have had to do when we hit puberty.





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