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posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by DelMarvel

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

So, my premise was that donating to La raza and all their social responsibility stuff didn't make them a financially feasible operation.: (no reason given)


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If that was your premise then why your reference to Obama winning the white house?

The NYT article you are quoting from describes events in 2008 and 2009. The economy was terrible and people stopped drinking expensive coffee. It has nothing to do with who Starbucks donated to or what their politics were.

And now the company is recovered and expanding again which refutes the premise that the Obama administration is bad for their business

I said Starbucks closed locations AFTER Obama won the WH, not BECAUSE he won.... there is a difference even you should be able to understand.

900 locations to be more exact. Here's a story from April 2009
www.retailerdaily.com...



Coffee retailer Starbucks continued its recent flurry of business activity yesterday with its first closure of a Canadian store, in Richmond, B.C. The retailer said its Richmond location is the first of 100 non-U.S. stores that will close during 2009, and that 800 additional stores will close in the U.S. this year. According to Metro Vancouver, Starbucks officials said in an email the decision to close stores is “extremely difficult”


Liberals continue to Blame Bush for everything. The recession began after Democrats took control over both houses of Congress, but Bush spending overall didn't help. I have said many times that Bush spent like socialists do. But t think the reality here is that we cannot afford the entitlements, pork barrell spending and continual wars.

We have NOT recovered from the recession. The economy is still at a slow crawl and businesses cannot plan for growth under the burden of Obamacare and other factors.

Did I mention that not all the Starbucks locations are in the US? Oh yes, he expanded into Japan(had to close down 100 due to tsunami) and oh wow China


Lest CEO Schultz become too preoccupied with building more stores in China and finding new non-coffee products for Starbucks to sell in grocery stores, he might want to lead by first remembering his own observation when the company too big for its britches. "Growth and success cover up a lot of mistakes for a while and produce a mentality that at times can mask truth," he had said (Ostdick, Success, p. 48). Ostdick points out that "Schultz surmised that he couldn't truly transform the company unless it returned its focus to the cup of coffee."


thewordenreport.blogspot.com...


But he said the company would plan its China growth carefully. "Over time there will be thousands of stores in China," said Mr. Schultz. "But it's a complicated market that requires significant discipline and thoughtfulness."


online.wsj.com...

Again, being "socially responsible" isn't what is keeping Starbucks afloat.
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posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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Oh, but wouldn't you rather indulge in a Maple Bacon Sundae from Denny's?!

Let me get out my crystal ball. In the next four years, I see twinkie hoarders. Big government, with the mentality of all or nothing on both sides. QuantitiveEasing3. Propaganda machines. And me not eating a Maple Bacon Sundae from Denny's.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 08:29 PM
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Man, there's a lot of different socialist parties in that list. They do list these at DMV offices.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 08:31 PM
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Hello
Why are most people referencing the same people that put us in this place? The numbers are junk, graphs junk, data junk! Action is key, I am in no way in any position to act and see results but I will add that if just 2 people with the means to experiment with investments in a future they believe in and pass the lessons, that’s true change. They don’t want our money, let’s be real if the intent is to drown the dollar then why would it matter if the rich get taxed more they need control.

They are not afraid of revolution, they welcome it and it has been the key success to all of their intents. I wonder what would happen if they threw everything they had at us and instead of braking down, we bond together that is their nightmare. I’m sorry neighbor you have no food, will you please take my left overs, I don’t want to see you go hungry, can you imagine the work that could be done if just 2 people helped each other in their intents. Thx

PS This thread made me feel down, just saying



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 08:38 PM
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Abraham Lincoln on the Civil War:

"This war would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits. We owe it to Popery that we now see our land reddened with the blood of her noblest sons. Though there were great differences of opinion between the South and the North, on the question of slavery, neither Jeff Davis nor any one of the leading men of the Confederacy would have dared to attack the North, had they not relied on the promises of the Jesuits, that under the mask of Democracy, the money and the arms of the Roman Catholic, even the arms of France, were at their disposal, if they would attack us. I pity the priests, the bishops and the monks of Rome in the United States, when the people realize that they are, in great part, responsible for the tears and the blood shed in this war; the later the more terrible will the retribution be.

Just thought I'd point that out. The vatican is the great harlot. The beast with many nations.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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From a different light:

I believe materialism has been the downfall of our country. The politicians/corporations have simply given us more of what we have asked for. There is no political party to blame, there is only us, the people that make up the nation. We have grown to care primarily about ourselves, our ability to have more stuff, and to be entertained. My parents lived in a garage apartment, fed their children boxed macaroni, meat from a can, and gave socks and underwear as presents. Their children, one of them me, were grateful. On holidays we volunteered, cooked food, delivered presents and tried to give more than we received. This was once the norm for a larger portion of our country than it is today.

Failed to mention that most citizens are too entertained to trouble themselves with little things, like understanding our nation's constitution, or it's origins.

Thanks.
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edit on 19-11-2012 by DondeEsta? because: Wanted to make my runon sentence more runonny.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 09:23 PM
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Yeah, you're going to have four more years of it.

Because you have already launched the paranoid pity party yourself.




posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
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Neo, you know I respect and like you as a person - so please take this as constructive....

We have a lot of work to do in this nation to get ourselves out of a hole that is 30 years, or more, deep. Do you want to be part of the solution? Are you willing to to compromise and do what's best for all - even if that means having to accept some things that don't exactly match up with your personal views?

Or are you going to just stay bitter and see it all crash and burn, just so you can say "I told you so?"

I'm willing to find the middle ground to do what's best for everyone, the wealthy and corporations included. Are you willing to include the disenfranchised and poor in your vision of a perfect America?

This game is no longer about who wins - it's getting to a point where we all win or we all lose.

~Heff


HOLY $#!7 ! Is that a logical, well-reasoned, appropriate response that I see? How did THAT happen?
Hades has indeed been over-taken by a Low-Pressure Cold Front.......WELL SAID, HEFF.

As for the rest of you grumbling sore losers and the "glass is mostly-empty-AND-cracked" crowd, why don't you try to step back and take a mature rational look at the situation? You know, the BIG picture!
People perhaps don't want to look this deeply into it, but in my not-so-humble-opinion, the trouble started with the concept of CREDIT - period. The ability to "purchase" that which you don't actually have the funds for - you know- deficit spending. Add to that -mortgages, which literally means "Death Grip" if you didn't already know. It's the concept of buying land/ shelter with money you don't have, and then when when you do "own" it, you really don't, and even if you do, then the government can use "imminent domain" to take it away from you.

Take another hundred paces back...the entire concept of money is a social, mutually-reinforced illusion that has no basis in reality. The concept of money is an abstract intellectual construct, nothing more. The "value" of money is all in your head ( and mine - I was born into this culture just like the rest of you ). It's ones and zeros, Folks. It's the only thing you can have "more" of by adding zeros to it!

Now take a THOUSAND steps back, my friends,
The Good Ol' God- Fearin U S of A herself was built upon the foundation of GENOCIDE - rationalized by a funny little idea called "Manifest Destiny". Yes, the European rabble came here, looking to escape tyrrany ( by bringing their slaves with them, of course, gotta love that logic chain! ), committed genocide and war crimes beyond the pale of what we see today, killed off the buffalo herds, clear-cut all of the forests down, and began polluting the ecosystem as soon as "development" and "progress" started....

The unavoidable evolution ( yes, I used the "E" word! ) of science helped usher in the Industrial Revolution, which then ramped up "development" and "progress" even more- read as "a culture of greed which was propped up by the exploitation of the masses, with one of the wonderful by-products being even MORE destruction of the ecosystem"...which allowed us to build a transportation system that enabled us to build large cities far away from the production of the food needed to nourish the populations of said cities...and of course this allowed us to "tame" environments which were previously "unihabitable" - read as, "we started living in places En Mass, say like, the desert, the flood plains, the beaches.....

Come on guys, I'm not trying to be patronizing, this is elementary stuff...but I feel that a basic outline is needed here.

Now - zoom in -fast forward to NOW.....We have the governments, the banking systems, industrialization on a massive scale, nuclear and biological weapons, and dare I say it?- a bit of over-population ( at least in certain areas ), and hell, fricking TWINKIES...all of this propped up on this imaginary system of "money" and "value" and "ownership"...as a species, we are quite delusional, Kids - admit it.

And now the whole fricking house of cards is starting to crumble, and we see that all of this is just as fake as a movie set Western town....there is NOTHING behind the facade....Mother Nature kicks our asses at will, Ebola viruses show up from out of the jungles....cancers eat us alive....serial killers, nazis, power whores.......tornadoes, floods, hurricanes, solar flares, GAMMA RAYS.......are we in charge? Oh HELL NO.

We have all of this going on, and you think that Barak Obama is going to destroy it all ? In 8 short years ?
You think that he alone, or G.W. Bush, did all of "this" to "us" ? This is Roosevelt's fault ?
You think that Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Jefferson, Jesus, The Easter Bunny, Capitalism, job creation and drilling in the Gulf is going to save us all ???

Kool Aide, right here, 5 cents a cup!
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posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 09:56 PM
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I have brotherly love for you! Well and truly said. I know I'm not supposed post that "ME TOO" type response, but yeah.

The problem is as Einstein posed it:

"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it."

So the real question is, are we smarter than we were, and as a whole I would unscientifically, uncategorically, without question or reservation say, "HELL NO!"



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Well yes, really it was only referring to people of voting age.


huh? I'm confused by the meaning of your reply.

I only mentioned "people over 18" so that those who read my reply would realize I wasn't talking about the 320 or so million Americans but rather the 240 million or so American adults. It was really just a trivial portion of my reply. I certainly wasn't implying that either you or the other person had included children in the count when speaking of "Half this" or "Half that". Best wishes.

eta: maybe I was just unclear originally. I was saying that of all the adults who live in america, only roughly Half of them voted at all. So it is not correct to say that half of american adults supported Obama and half is against Obama. What would be more correct and what I was saying is that around 1/4 support Obama and roughly 1/4 were against him. The remaining 2/4's did not participate.

I only mention adults so people realize I am not using incorrect numbers to base the percentages on, it really had nothing to do with my response.

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posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 10:13 PM
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Thank you. You know, it's the Human Condition, My Friend. There is no "cure". It's us. It all started with us, and it will end with us when and if we ever decide to change for the better. It's beyond politics, geography, culture or religion. It's just us stupid humans being stubborn and having to stick our hands in the flame a thousand times before we realize that it's hot, and then maybe we realize that just maybe, we should try a different strategy.
I have hope that one day we will learn our lesson and act with more wisdom all the way around.
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posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by FirstCasualty
For Canada the next 4 years are going to be awesome. Actually it will be awesome for the entire British empire. The US is in for a massive correction. the last 4 years were just meant to make you used to the idea. Nobody wants the US to go into shock, just back to farming potato and corn for the British.




You know eating too much potatoes and corn makes you fat and lazy, just like the hogs my grandpa fed the corn to.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 10:21 PM
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I could not have said it better myself. I just wish that the people could get over themselves long enough to listen when words like those are spoken. One day . . . maybe.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
From my point of view we've had 32 years of Reaganomics to ensnare us and only 4 years of a cycle to try and change those policies.


Oh please. Give me a f-ing break and quit spewing these ridiculous talking points from the Obama administration.

There has been NO ATTEMPT WHATSOEVER to try and change the policies of the last 30-40 years, NONE. Debt fueled "growth" has not only not changed, it has increased exponentially. Do you understand what is going on here? There has been no true economic growth for 30+ years. All of the fake "growth" is a result of a greater increase in debt.

Just get off the internet if you can't understand basic math.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by mishmallow8
reply to post by neo96
 


Abraham Lincoln on the Civil War:

"This war would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits. We owe it to Popery that we now see our land reddened with the blood of her noblest sons. Though there were great differences of opinion between the South and the North, on the question of slavery, neither Jeff Davis nor any one of the leading men of the Confederacy would have dared to attack the North, had they not relied on the promises of the Jesuits, that under the mask of Democracy, the money and the arms of the Roman Catholic, even the arms of France, were at their disposal, if they would attack us. I pity the priests, the bishops and the monks of Rome in the United States, when the people realize that they are, in great part, responsible for the tears and the blood shed in this war; the later the more terrible will the retribution be.

Just thought I'd point that out. The vatican is the great harlot. The beast with many nations.


Yeah sure, Lincoln isn't responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans, of course. It's the Jesuits, and it's the rebels who started the fight by wanting to secede.

It's laughable how people believe Lincoln is the greatest president, when he presided over the greatest bloodshed this country has ever seen. He is the bloodiest warmonger this country has ever produced against its own people. Instead of allowing the southern states to secede peacefully, which was their constitutional right, he engaged them in a 4 year long war that saw the death of millions. Wow, what a great president.

And don't forget the Constitution died with Lincoln. He created the federal monster that we have today that is responsible for all the death and suffering across the entire globe today.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
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4 more Years of Liberal stupidity.

Sorry Liberals.



The 2012 House of Representatives is similar to the previous political findings, basically 2 to 1 Republican to Democrat (or 33 to 16), with no vacancies. That's an approximate total of 435 representatives. Granted democrats rule the senate, but only around 51 to 47, with 2 independents, for a total of 100 senators. So the argument that liberals are running the country falls short just because the POTUS is a democrat. A better argument is needed when looking to place the nation's failures on one group or groups.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by Riposte

Originally posted by Hefficide
From my point of view we've had 32 years of Reaganomics to ensnare us and only 4 years of a cycle to try and change those policies.


Oh please. Give me a f-ing break and quit spewing these ridiculous talking points from the Obama administration.

There has been NO ATTEMPT WHATSOEVER to try and change the policies of the last 30-40 years, NONE. Debt fueled "growth" has not only not changed, it has increased exponentially. Do you understand what is going on here? There has been no true economic growth for 30+ years. All of the fake "growth" is a result of a greater increase in debt.

Just get off the internet if you can't understand basic math.


This is a really great point that both liberals and conservitives alike, need to wrap their minds around. Even I hadn't thought about it quite this clearly. This is proof positive that there's no difference between the two partys. Both are over spending, all the while lying about, that it's the other guy doing it. Everything else is minor patatos. $16 trillion and climbing is where it's at.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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What the next 4 years are going to look like.

4 more years of being told I am a socialist.
4 more years of being told Barack Obama is from Kenya.
4 more years of being told I am anti-capalist.
4 more years of being told I hate job creators.
4 more years of being told I am lazy because I believe in social programs.
4 more years of being told that I don't deserve a livable wage.
4 more years of being told that acess to birth control is not a health care concern.
4 more years of being told I hate America because I don't support conservative view points.
4 more years of being told that I don't live in Real America.


See it works both ways and that is the real issue in this country. I don't believe that you hate gay people or minorities but this is the way the media divides us. I assure you that the key to making any change in the next for years is to not to buy in to this type of rhetoric.



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by Riposte

Oh please. Give me a f-ing break and quit spewing these ridiculous talking points from the Obama administration.


I'll begin with a simple and pleasant reminder that civility is mandatory on ATS and that censor evasion is not in line with the posting guidelines you agreed to when signing up for our beloved site.


Now...

My opinions are my own. They are not talking points nor regurgitation from any source other than my own mind. As for your insistence that I quit voicing my thoughts and opinions? My answer is simply "No."


Originally posted by Riposte

There has been NO ATTEMPT WHATSOEVER to try and change the policies of the last 30-40 years, NONE. Debt fueled "growth" has not only not changed, it has increased exponentially. Do you understand what is going on here? There has been no true economic growth for 30+ years. All of the fake "growth" is a result of a greater increase in debt.


You do realize that the budget was balanced at the end of the Clinton administration - a fact that tends to unravel your entire rant - and makes it seem like nothing more than a "talking point"? There has been tremendous growth in not just the American economy, but in the economies of many other nations as well during the past 30-40 years. Sure, aspects of that growth are spurious and manipulated. But those aberrations do not alter the larger truths involved.


Originally posted by Riposte

Just get off the internet if you can't understand basic math.


Again, I am afraid you are in store for a disappointment as my reply is still "No". As for a grasp of basic math - maybe a grasp of more advanced concepts is needed to see the truth of things. There is nothing basic about global economics.

~Heff



posted on Nov, 19 2012 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
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Originally posted by Riposte

Oh please. Give me a f-ing break and quit spewing these ridiculous talking points from the Obama administration.


I'll begin with a simple and pleasant reminder that civility is mandatory on ATS and that censor evasion is not in line with the posting guidelines you agreed to when signing up for our beloved site.


Now...

My opinions are my own. They are not talking points nor regurgitation from any source other than my own mind. As for your insistence that I quit voicing my thoughts and opinions? My answer is simply "No."


Originally posted by Riposte

There has been NO ATTEMPT WHATSOEVER to try and change the policies of the last 30-40 years, NONE. Debt fueled "growth" has not only not changed, it has increased exponentially. Do you understand what is going on here? There has been no true economic growth for 30+ years. All of the fake "growth" is a result of a greater increase in debt.


You do realize that the budget was balanced at the end of the Clinton administration - a fact that tends to unravel your entire rant - and makes it seem like nothing more than a "talking point"? There has been tremendous growth in not just the American economy, but in the economies of many other nations as well during the past 30-40 years. Sure, aspects of that growth are spurious and manipulated. But those aberrations do not alter the larger truths involved.


Originally posted by Riposte

Just get off the internet if you can't understand basic math.


Again, I am afraid you are in store for a disappointment as my reply is still "No". As for a grasp of basic math - maybe a grasp of more advanced concepts is needed to see the truth of things. There is nothing basic about global economics.

~Heff


I'd like to help your memory out a little here. First of all, Clinton was dragged kicking and screaming buy the Rebublicans into cutting the budget. If democrats had been in full charge it would never have happened. Never the less Clinton deserves credit for seeing the hand writing on the wall, and doing the right thing. Liberals don't seem to be able to remember this part of it.

More inportantly, even though there was a budget surplus, not one dime of the federal debt was paid down. All the extra revenue was spent elsewhere. I'm not pointing fingers there, I'm sure all were guilty for that.





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