Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by neo96
Neo, you know I respect and like you as a person - so please take this as constructive....
We have a lot of work to do in this nation to get ourselves out of a hole that is 30 years, or more, deep. Do you want to be part of the solution? Are
you willing to to compromise and do what's best for all - even if that means having to accept some things that don't exactly match up with your
Or are you going to just stay bitter and see it all crash and burn, just so you can say "I told you so?"
I'm willing to find the middle ground to do what's best for everyone, the wealthy and corporations included. Are you willing to include the
disenfranchised and poor in your vision of a perfect America?
This game is no longer about who wins - it's getting to a point where we all win or we all lose.
HOLY $#!7 ! Is that a logical, well-reasoned, appropriate response that I see? How did THAT happen?
Hades has indeed been over-taken by a Low-Pressure Cold Front.......WELL SAID, HEFF.
As for the rest of you grumbling sore losers and the "glass is mostly-empty-AND-cracked" crowd, why don't you try to step back and take a mature
rational look at the situation? You know, the BIG picture!
People perhaps don't want to look this deeply into it, but in my not-so-humble-opinion, the trouble started with the concept of CREDIT - period. The
ability to "purchase" that which you don't actually have the funds for - you know- deficit spending. Add to that -mortgages, which literally means
"Death Grip" if you didn't already know. It's the concept of buying land/ shelter with money you don't have, and then when when you do "own" it, you
really don't, and even if you do, then the government can use "imminent domain" to take it away from you.
Take another hundred paces back...the entire concept of money is a social, mutually-reinforced illusion that has no basis in reality. The concept of
money is an abstract intellectual construct, nothing more. The "value" of money is all in your head ( and mine - I was born into this culture just
like the rest of you ). It's ones and zeros, Folks. It's the only thing you can have "more" of by adding zeros to it!
Now take a THOUSAND steps back, my friends,
The Good Ol' God- Fearin U S of A herself was built upon the foundation of GENOCIDE - rationalized by a funny little idea called "Manifest Destiny".
Yes, the European rabble came here, looking to escape tyrrany ( by bringing their slaves with them, of course, gotta love that logic chain! ),
committed genocide and war crimes beyond the pale of what we see today, killed off the buffalo herds, clear-cut all of the forests down, and began
polluting the ecosystem as soon as "development" and "progress" started....
The unavoidable evolution ( yes, I used the "E" word! ) of science helped usher in the Industrial Revolution, which then ramped up "development" and
"progress" even more- read as "a culture of greed which was propped up by the exploitation of the masses, with one of the wonderful by-products being
even MORE destruction of the ecosystem"...which allowed us to build a transportation system that enabled us to build large cities far away from the
production of the food needed to nourish the populations of said cities...and of course this allowed us to "tame" environments which were previously
"unihabitable" - read as, "we started living in places En Mass, say like, the desert, the flood plains, the beaches.....
Come on guys, I'm not trying to be patronizing, this is elementary stuff...but I feel that a basic outline is needed here.
Now - zoom in -fast forward to NOW.....We have the governments, the banking systems, industrialization on a massive scale, nuclear and biological
weapons, and dare I say it?- a bit of over-population ( at least in certain areas ), and hell, fricking TWINKIES...all of this propped up on this
imaginary system of "money" and "value" and "ownership"...as a species, we are quite delusional, Kids - admit it.
And now the whole fricking house of cards is starting to crumble, and we see that all of this is just as fake as a movie set Western town....there is
NOTHING behind the facade....Mother Nature kicks our asses at will, Ebola viruses show up from out of the jungles....cancers eat us alive....serial
killers, nazis, power whores.......tornadoes, floods, hurricanes, solar flares, GAMMA RAYS.......are we in charge? Oh HELL NO.
We have all of this going on, and you think that Barak Obama is going to destroy it all ? In 8 short years ?
You think that he alone, or G.W. Bush, did all of "this" to "us" ? This is Roosevelt's fault ?
You think that Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Jefferson, Jesus, The Easter Bunny, Capitalism, job creation and drilling in the Gulf is going
to save us all ???
Kool Aide, right here, 5 cents a cup!
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