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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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Conservatives will continue to whine and bath in ignorance.

They will continue to confuse SS and Medicare with deficit spending, continue to ignore the huge military budget and growing interest payments money spent on the military. Continue to ignore that the primary purpose of the US Military is to support corporations exportation of US jobs. Continue to ignore that corporations are the largest welfare recipients. Continue to ignore that repub politicians have raised taxes on the middle class year after year, while cutting taxes on the rich.

On and on conservatives cling to delusion.




posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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Clinton and democrats in congress cut the deficit in half before republicans took over the house. 1995 was a democratic budget, first repub budget was 1996.

Republicans actually slowed deficit reduction, and the contract on America created both the .com bubble and the housing bubble.

Oh, and the red states are the welfare states.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by poet1b

Conservatives will continue to whine and bath in ignorance.

They will continue to confuse SS and Medicare with deficit spending, continue to ignore the huge military budget and growing interest payments money spent on the military. Continue to ignore that the primary purpose of the US Military is to support corporations exportation of US jobs. Continue to ignore that corporations are the largest welfare recipients. Continue to ignore that repub politicians have raised taxes on the middle class year after year, while cutting taxes on the rich.

On and on conservatives cling to delusion.



The DEMs and most of the old guard GOP are cut from the same cloth, the day you accept that will be the day you free your mind from the Left vs Right war.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by mrnotobc
 


Clinton and democrats in congress cut the deficit in half before republicans took over the house. 1995 was a democratic budget, first repub budget was 1996.

Republicans actually slowed deficit reduction, and the contract on America created both the .com bubble and the housing bubble.

Oh, and the red states are the welfare states.


you keep playing the game your going to lose.

Republicans freed the slaves and were stonewalled by the democrats every step of the way.

FDR created concentration camps for Japanese Americans on US soil!!! His VP dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan.

The democratic party is the party of slavery, concentration camps and enslavement to the welfare state. See a pattern here????

The democrats dont have a great history.
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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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That still doesn't change the obvious delusions conservatives cling to.

The first step is for repubs to wake up to the lies spread by Rush and his ilk.

Then healIng can begin.

I'm not happy with the demos, but repubs candidates are far worse.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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That still doesn't change the obvious delusions conservatives cling to.

The first step is for repubs to wake up to the lies spread by Rush and his ilk.

Then healIng can begin.

I'm not happy with the demos, but repubs candidates are far worse.



Did you know the democrats stonewalled the republicans to pass the 19th amendment for the right of women to vote.

Did you know the democrats stonewalled the republicans to pass the 15th amendment for the right of african americans to vote.

The democrats have a really bad history of being the party of slave owners, not letting women vote, setting up concentration camps on full blooded Japanese Americans on us soil, and are now trying to enslave the people to be dependent on government.

the democrats have a hidden agenda and history will tell you where there going.
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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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"Republicans freed the slaves and were stonewalled by the democrats every step of the way"

I think the question we should all be looking at here is why did the the very different Republican party of that time free the slaves? History would tell you that it was not because they personally wanted to do the "right thing."

"FDR created concentration camps for Japanese Americans on US soil!!! His VP dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan."

That is a very good point that many people also like to ignore. Or even use as a 1up card to support that "their man" Mr. "honest" Abe, was such a better guy because he "freed the slaves."

"The democrats dont have a great history."

Very true! I agree but would like to add that Republican aren't much better when we really look at what was done and why it was done.

"The democrats have a really bad history of being the party of slave owners, not letting women vote, setting up concentration camps on full blooded Japanese Americans on us soil, and our now trying to enslave the people to be dependent on government."

I think that last bit is true but as someone who looks at the bigger picture, I know that it is both the Democrats AND the Republicans working together to do this.

"Oh, and the red states are the welfare states."

This seems to mostly be true and I've yet to figure out why. Why do all of the poor and uneducated people who get welfare keep voting for politicians who claim to be anti welfare and are clearly have something against the lower class citizens of our country? They do realize that Republicans are not really as religious as they claim to be to win elections don't they?

You people keep screaming at and fighting each other about how the side that you do not vote for is corrupt and I keep telling all of you that both sides are equally corrupt and all of you keep ignoring me.
Every last one of you who honestly thinks that either the Democrats or Republicans care about any of you is a sheep who has fallen victim to the very same trap that you keep saying everyone else has fallen victim to!



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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The alternative could be that Government could pay private corporations the money, if you don't want common people to have any of it. Governments love giving corporate handouts, and they love to spend all the spare money they have at their disposal (typically) - at least the corporations don't complain when they get money from government.

I fail to see how Obama bought the votes. Is there some clause that says, if your government gives you food stamps, vote for Obama?

How do you know, it is a guarantee that they'll vote for Obama? If the Republicans find out about this, then if they wish to win, maybe they could do the same thing?

The Republicans on the other hand opt to cut food stamps etc... and in return they get paid the big bucks (campaign contributions) by the corporations that want such measures in place.

Not having food stamps might also force governments to increase police presence and prisons - which is a saving that no one seems to take in to account. Not to mention that children are badly affected by malnourishment. If anyone examined reality a lot of social programs have been established by private corporations - why would they do that? Is it not enough that the government spends their hard earned money on social programs already?



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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Such a grade a "quality post" there


Seems to me Men are those who are standing up saying they do not need to live under the house of government, and get "allowances" or permission to live their lives.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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Hey, OP! Do you think that sometime over the next 4 years you and your crowd will stop whinning long enough to accept reality - that the majority of people in this country didn't like what Romney was selling?



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 03:36 PM
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Haven't seen the victors get over Bush in 12 years their whining still continues to this day.

Their "reallity" that Romney was just an evil rich white guy Republican was anything but truth.

As a discussion on the issues can never be discussed without hating minority,poor people etc.

So 4 more of the same demagoguery continues



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by camaro68ss

The democrats have a really bad history of ... setting up concentration camps on full blooded Japanese....



I need to add a small correction here:

During WWII, it was NOT just full-blooded Japanese who were forced to leave everything they owned behind (to be confiscated by the government & looted by their neighbors) and herded into "Internment camps."

The order was for anyone who was as much as 1/8 Japanese:

that means full-blooded Japanese,
half Japanese,
quarter Japanese, and
one eighth Japanese.

Of course, they say it had nothing to do with race, it's that anyone of Japanese blood was so dangerously loyal to the Emperor that they cannot be trusted -- even if they're US citizens.

Or as Bill O'Reilly said, "The 'internment' was for their own protection."

Yeah, FDR was SUCH a good man. He also turned away a boatload of German Jews trying to escape the Nazis.
Can't frighten voters with the prospect of hordes of Jews arriving on US shores from Europe. It might have cost him his 3rd election.
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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 04:43 PM
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"So you're saying that you aren't very good at much, right?"

Thats quite the asshole-ish reply there. I work the schedule I do building one business while earning a full-time income at the other. I do so because I have two teenage daughters to raise, a wife that is having trouble finding a new job, a home payment and two car payments. So even though I'm a trained computer programmer, website designer and graphic artist, it is still tough to make ends meet.

You see...in PA, gas has more than doubled in price since Obama took office and with that came much higher food prices. The jobs are scarce as they are in many other places and employers are afraid to hire due to Obama care expenses and the fear of how "redistribution" will effect their businesses.

So...before you start making smart ass comments about someone's skills, maybe you should ask for an explanation instead of just being an ignorant ass.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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4 more years of being told I hate poor people
4 more years of being told I hate women
4 more years of being told I hate African Americans
4 more years of being told I hate Hispanics
4 more years of being told I hate Gays
4 more years of being told I hate the middle class


Poor persecuted Neo. I'm sorry you feel so victimized.



4 more years of the mass media ignoring everything inherently wrong with the current administration


Let me guess, that in your opinion would be, Benghazi and Fast and Furious? Both of which are covered in the MSM, both currently under active investigation. Both of which FOX News Entertainment obliterated any shot of a public discussion among ALL Americans and instead people are left to the task of dealing with Right Wing nutjob conspiracies?

How bout the MSM ignoring the NDAA and what it means for all of us, how bout FOX and the nutjob blogosphere or the GOP themselves raise hell about that? Oh yeah the GOP wanted it, so it's all hush, hush. Drones? Same thing, TPP? Same thing.



4 more years of how the GOP is obstructionist.


They're not?



4 more years of tax the rich


As it should be. Don't worry too much though, Obama is after all a Capitalist... The rich will find a way to continue to pay less taxes than someone making less than 50,000/year. Do you need a paper bag to breathe into?



4 more years of the liberal superiority complex from a party that claims everyone is "equal"


You're always about people talking to you as if they're better than you, do you never take responsibility for your own actions? Maybe threads like this are why people are so hostile to you. You have very naked, very strong contempt for anyone that doesn't walk the same line that you do. You're an extremely negative person.



4 more years of "like how totally awesome Obama and the Democrats are"


I see hardly anything of the such. Mostly what I see on this forum is a bunch of people who have no idea what Socialism is, or that Liberal and Conservative are both Center positions, that have no idea what being Left means or that their own party is very far Right... making all kinds of ridiculous claims of Obama being a Socialist, a Communist, a Marxist, a fraudulent citizen (I'm sure I'm missing some), when the truth is that Obama is RIGHT of center. He's more like the Republican's of the 80's. Check it out and do some comparing. Meanwhile today's Republicans are riding off the cliff, they're so far Right, on a horse named Secession.



4 more years of Blame Bush which makes Bush the longest serving Potus in US history.


Meanwhile, you're still blaming the New Deal. What's that make Roosevelt?



The United states of ignorance is what the country is The united states of dysfunction is also what this country is.


Canada is going pretty Right, maybe you could give it a go up there, eh?



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 05:25 PM
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Poor persecuted Neo. I'm sorry you feel so victimized.


Let's be honest there cause we both no your not, and been right there doing the "victimizing"

Thought I would take a play from the same playbook as those 62 million Americans who play the victim card no matter what the topic is.




Let me guess, that in your opinion would be, Benghazi and Fast and Furious? Both of which are covered in the MSM, both currently under active investigation. Both of which FOX News Entertainment obliterated any shot of a public discussion among ALL Americans and instead people are left to the task of dealing with Right Wing nutjob conspiracies?


So insulting those who are trying to get to the bottom of 50,000 Mexican nationals, and those Americans who have died from it,. and those 4 dead Americans are clearly "right wing nutjobs".

Clearly keep insulting them by all means.




How bout the MSM ignoring the NDAA and what it means for all of us, how bout FOX and the nutjob blogosphere or the GOP themselves raise hell about that? Oh yeah the GOP wanted it, so it's all hush, hush. Drones? Same thing, TPP? Same thing


Yep again insult those people, and clearly ignore what is going on in this country more of the famous superiority complex display.




They're not?


Funny how back during the Bush Admin when the Democrats were in the minority like how the GOP is those same people who decry the right as being so "Obstructionist" there was nothing but silence.




As it should be. Don't worry too much though, Obama is after all a Capitalist... The rich will find a way to continue to pay less taxes than someone making less than 50,000/year. Do you need a paper bag to breathe into?


Given the fact that the poor and middle class are the largest receipient of federal tax dollars, who are getting more out than return how the hell should it be that way?

How?




You're always about people talking to you as if they're better than you, do you never take responsibility for your own actions? Maybe threads like this are why people are so hostile to you. You have very naked, very strong contempt for anyone that doesn't walk the same line that you do. You're an extremely negative person.


Try again that is on display in this thread and every other thread and the comment to me after all who is the one going around saying "right wing nut jobs"?

On the contrary the party of arrogance is well known.




see hardly anything of the such. Mostly what I see on this forum is a bunch of people who have no idea what Socialism is, or that Liberal and Conservative are both Center positions, that have no idea what being Left means or that their own party is very far Right... making all kinds of ridiculous claims of Obama being a Socialist, a Communist, a Marxist, a fraudulent citizen (I'm sure I'm missing some), when the truth is that Obama is RIGHT of center. He's more like the Republican's of the 80's. Check it out and do some comparing. Meanwhile today's Republicans are riding off the cliff, they're so far Right, on a horse named Secession.


Right! Sure!




Meanwhile, you're still blaming the New Deal. What's that make Roosevelt?


When a person pays 4% and government makes someone else cover the rest what does that make it?

Then wait 40 years to go beg to get it? That is nothing but a ponzi scheme.

So yeah Roosevelt and other stupidity from every admin until today but clearly since I already said that seems someone did not bother to read.,




Canada is going pretty Right, maybe you could give it a go up there, eh?


What the hell?

As if........
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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 05:54 PM
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Let's be honest there cause we both no your not, and been right there doing the "victimizing"


I'm not honest? Can you cite anywhere, me victimizing you or anyone else?



So insulting those who are trying to get to the bottom of 50,000 Mexican nationals, and those Americans who have died from it,. and those 4 dead Americans are clearly "right wing nutjobs".


No I'm insulting FOX, Breitbart.com et al and if you believe they are after the truth as opposed to ratings and money then I feel sorry for you. I would like to know the truth in those matters, not what FOX can use to keep their viewers ignorant and pissed off.



Funny how back during the Bush Admin when the Democrats were in the minority like how the GOP is those same people who decry the right as being so "Obstructionist" there was nothing but silence.


Could it be because they weren't obstructionist? Democrats notoriously reach across the aisle way too much, if ever there was a time to be obstructionist it was during GW's terms. Democrats border on spineless.



Given the fact that the poor and middle class are the largest receipient of federal tax dollars


*cough*



On the contrary the party of arrogance is well known.


You have yet to prove how that is remotely true.



who is the one going around saying "right wing nut jobs"?


A title they earned well.
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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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Read it or don't

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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I think the question we should all be looking at here is why did the the very different Republican party of that time free the slaves? History would tell you that it was not because they personally wanted to do the "right thing."


What history? Until such time as you can back that up with substance, I suggest that you just made that up from an uneducated opinion or possibly revisionist history ala DSA.
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posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Looks like a Corporate crybaby that pays negative tax rates (rebated) crying that they may receive less of a rebate next year, to me.



posted on Nov, 20 2012 @ 06:07 PM
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sure beats the HELL out of

4 more years of deregulating banks and big oil

remember where that got us ?

GOP = burger meister meister burgers
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