New petition on Whitehouse.gov: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
If you want to seccede then take your bad attitude with you. We will be glad that you left!

Nope...I'm going to stay right here and continue the good fight. Being an American.

I'll do it, if anything, just to annoy.

Originally posted by Grimpachi

The right wing idea of safety nets.

Thanks but no thanks we will stick with our leftwing (sane) ideas.

Nice try, the leftwing "safety net" was to make us all into numbers, create neverending progressive taxes and the IRS which have kept generations of Americans poor, or in the low section of the middle class, not to mention the Federal Reserve which was given power by leftwingers...

Who caused the problems we are still experiencing to this day?... LEFTWINGERS... And you want to talk about "safety nets"?...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


The democrats are not left wingers, so try again!

A party that gives 4-5 trillion to big business with NOTHING to show for it is definitely FAR from left.

Or a party that installs a PRIVATE central bank and encourages ONE-THIRD of the federal tax revenue to pay off the debt.

Then the republicans like a military-industrial complex on steroids.

1+1=2

The farthest party I would ever vote for is the constitution party, which oddly enough is ignored by the msm. Green party and SPUSA is much more my liking: again ignored by the media!
Lets make the libertarians the third party though since they are right wingers.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Lol the SPUSA? Sure, why not just set the Constitution on fire while you're at it.

the SPUSA is filled with nothing more than a bunch of parasitic hippie losers.

Originally posted by TDawgRex

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
If you want to seccede then take your bad attitude with you. We will be glad that you left!

Nope...I'm going to stay right here and continue the good fight. Being an American.

I'll do it, if anything, just to annoy.

What good fight? All I see from republicans is LUNACY! If you were patriotic you would have seen the light by now. Everytime your party loses you people cry about seccession and threaten job losses.

I got a gun, they got a gun. Lets see who's side the good lord is on. If there has to be another civil war, so be it.

Originally posted by TheAngryFarm
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Lol the SPUSA? Sure, why not just set the Constitution on fire while you're at it.

the SPUSA is filled with nothing more than a bunch of parasitic hippie losers.

The global imperialist parasites are located in wall street. Not only do sane americans hate them, but everyone throughout the globe hates them. When people hate what you stand for that means there is good reason for it.

Capitalism, especially the croney type, will never go after the cheaters. There was massive derrivate fraud and they were insured by AIG that took the bailout money to give the management. I can't be bothered to explain something you don't even care to talk about.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

What part of the constitution authorises something like five wars the past 15 years so that america can go bankrupt? I am awaiting with baited breath!

Very typical of people who think like you do. You avoided answering my question because you know that there is in fact no Constitutional authorization for a social safety net.

I never stated any of the recent wars passed Constitutional muster, which is why I am against them.

Your laughable avoidance at answering a simple question speaks volumes about your "beliefs"

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

What good fight? All I see from republicans is LUNACY! If you were patriotic you would have seen the light by now. Everytime your party loses you people cry about seccession and threaten job losses.

Who said I was a Republican?

And of course I get mad when my party is declared a loss...mainly because we have ran outta beer.

I have seen the exact same arguments you are making here against the "right" coming from the "left" for years.

Americans as a whole are peeved at both political parties which are circling the drain. I think that the Republicans are starting to figure that out...but it will still be awhile before the Democrats do.

Hopefully, at which point we'll have a third or even fourth major party.

This is going to be fun.

Originally posted by TheAngryFarm

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

What part of the constitution authorises something like five wars the past 15 years so that america can go bankrupt? I am awaiting with baited breath!

Very typical of people who think like you do. You avoided answering my question because you know that there is in fact no Constitutional authorization for a social safety net.

I never stated any of the recent wars passed Constitutional muster, which is why I am against them.

Your laughable avoidance at answering a simple question speaks volumes about your "beliefs"

Most countries have social welfare programs. America is one of the few exceptions.

If all you folks really cared about preventing bankruptcy the last party to vote for would be republican.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Why dont you move to one of those countries since you support safety nets and ignore the idea of personal responsibility?

Again, a simple question:

What part of the Constitution authorizes the federal government to spend public monies on a "social safety net"?

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison criticizing an attempt to grant public monies for charitable means

Originally posted by TheAngryFarm
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Why dont you move to one of those countries since you support safety nets and ignore the idea of personal responsibility?

Again, a simple question:

What part of the Constitution authorizes the federal government to spend public monies on a "social safety net"?

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison criticizing an attempt to grant public monies for charitable means

edit on 13-11-2012 by TheAngryFarm because: (no reason given)

I am not a constitutional lawyer so it is not my job to know the details of the constitution.

Personal responsibility needs social responsibility to make soceity function properly.

And if it is not in the constitution it can always be added later on. Hiding evil intentions behind the constitution speaks volumes of the flawed character of people like you. The document was written centuries ago and can always benefit from amendments because things change.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Personal responsibility needs social responsibility to make soceity function properly.

Ummmm, nope. Ya got that one wrong.

Personal responsibility leads to social responsibility. Society really has nothing to with it.

I'm pretty sure these petitions are basically saying that the people want the government our founders laud out for us. I don't really think it's about splitting the country up. The Obama admin better NOT take these petitions lightly because as far as Im concerned, this is their one chance to make changes in a peaceful way. If they do not make changes and it gets worse, I don't think there will be a warning and the change will be forced, using viloence if necessary to make this change. You're a damn fool if you do not go sign these and you're an even bigger damn fool if you are telling people to leave if they have signed this. How about YOU leave if you like the direction this country is heading and go live in North Korea while we try and restore this country by getting rid of the tyrants and take our freedom back. The state we live in now is BS.
If I want to dig a 1 foot hole in my backyard so I can sh*t in it, I should NOT have to pay for a permit to dig that hole! Why the hell am I paying the government money for the land and house that is MINE?! Why am I not getting paid for all the hours I work? Why am I only getting $1200 after I cash it when I worked enough hours to make $2000? Where is my other $800?!?! Oh, the government is stealing it from me so they can finance wars and kill kids! Of ALL the things they could do with my money they steal from me, they go and spend it on the LAST thing I'd want them to do with it and that is kill kids, babies and innocent people!!
They want to stop me at surprise checkpoints and search my vehicle even though I have NO criminal record??
If you defend what we have now and are opposed to any change, I bet you love to fly and have another man feel your testicles before you get on that plane?!
Sorry about your short lived excitement but change is coming. A new, better government is coming and it will happen in our life time. We won't make it out of this decade and the patriotic, freedom loving Americans will probably have fought and died in American streets to force this change. If you still like the idea of government safety nets, the feds stealing your money, the TSA nut grabbers and everything else that we currently have, then we will create a huge prison for people like you who actually like this and the doors will be open for you to move in. They will br open for you to come out too, but I doubt you will because you obviously have a sick and twisted fetish to be dominated by federal masters.
Im going to create a petition that will require those who sign the petition that want to strip the citizenships from the people who signed the petition to secede their state from the union to come and try to get our citizenships themselves. Im pretty sure all the signatures every state will get will sign onto that one and there is alot more of us than there are people who love to be dominated by authority.

I seriously cannot believe I'm reading these types of reactions and comments on here. I have never really posted on here before but so tired of this.

American was founded by people who were unhappy with their government. I don't think anyone who signed those petitions hate American in and of itself. They are unhappy with the direction American is going from excessive spending, corruption, to policing the people. Yes, I'm sure some petitioners might be hardcore republicans but truth be told I thought ATS was home to open minded people who have realized no matter who gets in office they are both following the agenda of the high power. A true ATSer would be posting that they are not surprised and they already figured American would end up divided into smaller countries before the Higher powers agenda was complete. If withdrawing from the union is the only way to get our rights back then who wouldn't be for something like that?

Also let me say that lately especially during the election I was so disappointed that people on ATS were actually proud that they voted for the Best of the Worst or the Worst of the Worst.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07



I am not a constitutional lawyer so it is not my job to know the details of the constitution.

Personal responsibility needs social responsibility to make soceity function properly.

And if it is not in the constitution it can always be added later on. Hiding evil intentions behind the constitution speaks volumes of the flawed character of people like you. The document was written centuries ago and can always benefit from amendments because things change.

You are capable of reading correct? Why not peruse through it so you actually know what it says. You had no problem stating the unconstitutionality of recent wars, so either you are lying now about not knowing the constitution, or you simply regurgitate whatever bs you read on your little socialist websites.

I'm assuming you are in your early 20's, likely in college, and unfamiliar with the real world.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to add an amendment to the Constitution? I'm sure you dont. Needless to say it is very difficult, and there is a reason for that.

What evil intentions am I hiding behind the Constitution?

Personal responsibility does not need social responsibility in order for a society to work. If people were responsible for themselves, they wouldnt need government to fall back on. If people ran into a rough patch in life, they are many private organizations, as well as friends, family, etc etc.

As it stands right now, parasites can be on welfare for 5 years. 5 freaking years. If those losers cannot get their proverbial crap together and make their life better , they can rely on the public dime to subsidize their pathetic existence. To make matters worse, these degenerates can be counted on to vote for whoever promises them more of other peoples money.

Desperate measures and some tough love is in order if this country hopes to have a future. Pain must be felt, and in some instances, agonizing pain is deserved. Let them suffer, and soon enough they will either die, or evolve into responsible adults. Either way, society as a whole benefits.

Originally posted by rockintitz
Wow, well first off let me just say how far the censorship of speech in the US has gone. As I am writing this 563 people have signed this.

Is this what we have become? A nation that punishes and demeans other people's points of view?! A nation of "you don't like it, you can get out" minded fellows?

that's not censorship - that is freedom of speech - saying what you think.

Censorship is stopping people from say this, or stoping people from saying they want to secede.

Seems to me your education system has let you, personally, down quite badly.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by rockintitz
Wow, well first off let me just say how far the censorship of speech in the US has gone. As I am writing this 563 people have signed this.

Is this what we have become? A nation that punishes and demeans other people's points of view?! A nation of "you don't like it, you can get out" minded fellows?

Hmmmm OK..First Whitehouse.gov is an open forum for petitions, not issued by the Whitehouse, in case there was any confusion.

Second.."A nation that punishes and demeans other people's points of view?! A nation of "you don't like it, you can get out" minded fellows?"

Isn't this precisely what those who are demanding to secede are saying?

When petitions demanding to throw out the states that didn't vote GOP are issued it is "free speech"?

When petitions saying...OK...are filed..it's "supressing free speech?"

Confused.

edit on 13-11-2012 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)

I'm confused too.

These people signed a petition to secede, but obviously these people do not represent the majority and therefore this petition is not valid.

The next best thing to do, would be to revoke the citizenship of these people and let them go to wherever their heart desires.

It's not suppressing free speech or censoring anything.

Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by TDawgRex

 

Yes I am from Texas,

Austin voted for Obama, does that mean that if Texas does secede does Austin get to secede from Texas?

there's a petition for that too.....

nothing will become of this, may get a lecture from mr pres but that's about it.....