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Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by seabag
so·cial·ism [soh-shuh-liz-uh m] Show IPA
noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
If we're going to use words, let's use them correctly. What we have now is not socialism, it's an:
ol·i·gar·chy [ol-i-gahr-kee] Show IPA
noun, plural ol·i·gar·chies.
1.
a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few.
Taxation ≠ socialism nor communism.
Social responsibility ≠ socialism or communism.
Governance by rule of law ≠ socialism, communism, nor totalitarianism.
These are absolutist smokescreens used to invoke the bogeyman into the minds of those raised during the cold war and are rhetorical and empty.
The days of "Mine, mine, mine" need to end. They had a 30 year run, they were fun, and they bankrupted this nation economically and morally. Greed, despite what Mr Gekko told us, is not good.
~Heff
Now some suggest the wealthy aren't paying their fair share.
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
wow
Dems are breath of fresh air?
More like toxic air!
You like slavery?
Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by romney
I see Romney, after his loss decided to join ATS!!!
Bravo!!
I think Obama's reelection was one based on "we don't want Romney as President". Not based on his merits at what hes done the past 4 years. Now when it all goes to crap, who will Obama blame for the last 4 years?
Quite the question actually.
Originally posted by Xeven
Not that I expect it to happen but what will you do if over the next 4 years the economy improves and they balance the budget like they did under Clinton? Still going to hate?
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by NavyDoc
Fabianism is not an accurate assessment IMO as the end result of Fabianism is a socialist state - and that is not where we are headed. The end result of the path we are currently on will result in an Oligarchy or Plutocracy. To refer to the condition, now or along this trend as "socialism" is paramount to considering feudalism as such, based upon the notion that the serfs ( tenants ) were receiving "charity" from their lords.
Having said that, the mechanisms involved in Fabianism are similar to what we are seeing, with the caveat that Government is not taking over businesses as much as it's playing the role of enforcer for corporations.
~Heff
Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Who are you talking about?
I think you are like that little girl who wouldn't sleep in her bed because of the pea.
The princess and the pea.
And even if "people" are getting all "told you so" to other people...So what?
You "people" have been hammering away and layering the BS as thick as thieves here for about 2 years and I ask you - How are the rest of us supposed to consider ourselves "winners" when we are stuck with dead weight from this last election? All those "people" who manufacture false ideas why Obama won and who just still don't get that partiality and favors to the rich (not the poor) is what got the country into such a hopeless mess in the first place???
And Greece is in the position THEY'RE in because they ALSO let the rich people of their country remove the wealth from their country and send it elsewhere. You call making them responsible "soaking the rich." LOL
By protecting and coddling millionaires so they could make a few extra millions they let their entire country go belly up. And you want to do the same thing here. Brilliant plan you've got there. NOT.
Return to the tax distribution structure and model prior to Reagan. Rescind the Bush cuts and re-regulate banking so they can't gamble away poor peoples money then tell investors "too bad" when it doesn't work out.
TAX THE RICH and CLOSE THE LOOPHOLES.
If you don't want to help get the country back on track - at least try to stay out of the way.edit on 9-11-2012 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by neo96
Originally posted by blackthorne
reply to post by wildtimes
the constitution says. "to promote the general welfare." i do believe that healthcare would fall under that!
as to seabag, russia was a monarchy before lenin. and the czars were autocrats. their economics were in the hands of a few rich people. that is why the people, even the military rose up against them.
No it doesn't.
The general welfare clause means government spending that everyone in the country benefits from not a demographic who is taking more out of that system than returning to it.
That has the opposite effect of "promoting the general welfare".
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Who are you talking about?
I think you are like that little girl who wouldn't sleep in her bed because of the pea.
The princess and the pea.
And even if "people" are getting all "told you so" to other people...So what?
You "people" have been hammering away and layering the BS as thick as thieves here for about 2 years and I ask you - How are the rest of us supposed to consider ourselves "winners" when we are stuck with dead weight from this last election? All those "people" who manufacture false ideas why Obama won and who just still don't get that partiality and favors to the rich (not the poor) is what got the country into such a hopeless mess in the first place???
And Greece is in the position THEY'RE in because they ALSO let the rich people of their country remove the wealth from their country and send it elsewhere. You call making them responsible "soaking the rich." LOL
By protecting and coddling millionaires so they could make a few extra millions they let their entire country go belly up. And you want to do the same thing here. Brilliant plan you've got there. NOT.
Return to the tax distribution structure and model prior to Reagan. Rescind the Bush cuts and re-regulate banking so they can't gamble away poor peoples money then tell investors "too bad" when it doesn't work out.
TAX THE RICH and CLOSE THE LOOPHOLES.
If you don't want to help get the country back on track - at least try to stay out of the way.edit on 9-11-2012 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)
What you propose will continue to push the country off the fiscal cliff. Don't worry, when "gimme free #" class warfare, welfare state proponents like yourself screw things up even more, hopefully hardworking, freedom loving, free market, capitalists will step in and try to fix things for you--again.