Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by HappyBunny
It does? Got a few examples?
Russia was basically socialist until Lenin came along.
"Basically socialist"? It either was or it wasn't. Please make up your mind.
Socialism is the nationalization of the private sector and the suppression of the free market.
No it isn't. Pure socialism, maybe, but where does a pure socialist state exist? You're confusing socialism with Marxism, and you're also confusing a
system of government with an economic model. Our system of government is a federal republic, for example.
The only step missing to become full fledged communism is when government owns and controls the means of production. Why is it such a stretch
to you and others to think that the same crony capitalist idiots we have in power now wouldn’t abuse their power even further if we allowed them to
get stronger and have more control?? The constitution is the only thing that limits their power and we’re allowing them to bypass it (or ignore it
You're going off on a tangent that is not relevant. You still haven't provided an example of a socialist country going Communist.
Providing healthcare isn’t the role of government. Show me where it says that!
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Richard Cumberland wrote that the pursuit of our own happiness includes promoting the welfare and
well-being of our fellow humans. He was kind of the anti-Hobbes. Jefferson also echoed Locke's views on inalienable rights, among other theories of
natural law, which included the establishment of a social contract between government and citizens.
Did the founders have a crystal ball that would allow them to see that 200 years after they were gone we'd be eating our own young, so to speak? That
a trip to the doctor would be seen as a privilege and not a right?
So, to you, the Constitution is not flexible, is that it? I guess that means you're against all the amendments, and blacks should still be slaves and
woman not allowed to vote?
So what? It’s in the 5th amendment.
No it's not. Here's what the Fifth Amendment says:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in
cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject
for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be
deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just
Where does it say "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"? What does health care have to do with crime?
You did see the phrase in there "provide for the general Welfare of the United States," didn't you?
That’s your war cry, huh? Do you really think that’s what the constitution was about? Cradle to grave welfare? No personal responsibility?
It's rather arrogant of you to decide what the founders had in mind, don't you think?
As for paying off debt, they were heavily in debt to the French at the time and needed to pay that down as quickly as they could--France
bankrupted itself supporting us, you know.
And China is supporting your Obamacare……how EVOLVED we are becoming!
Nonsensical and logically flawed response.
Is that really the best you can do?
edit on 11/8/2012 by HappyBunny because: (no reason given)