Obama Wins - Layoffs Starting

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Craigslist and anonymous callers....seriously folks. I understand the dissapointment, but the hate fiction has got to stop at some point.

Originally posted by peck420

Originally posted by jtma508
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Gee. Well I must be stupid then. As must my employer. They just keep expanding and hiring quarter-on-quarter. I don't know how we're managing to stay in business. Our CFO must be a fool.

Yup, because the single enterprise you work for is indicative of the market as a whole.

Every industry is different, and, currently, most industries are not doing well.

Yep. Because God knows they were doing OH SO WELL before Obama stepped in and DESTROYED AMERICA, beacuse he is a communist from Kenya, right? You guys never stop, do you?

The sad thing is, people are so blind by their own preconceived ideas, that no matter WHAT happens, they will put their own twist on it, to fit an agenda that honestly, isn't even THEIRS...they just regurgitate it from their Media and Master Manipulators.

If Romney stepped in, and things got better , it would all be attributed to Romney. Not the hard working people of this country , who made this country in the first place, and refuse to let it burn. No, it would be Romney.

If Romney stepped in, and things kept getting worse, or stayed the same, it would all be blamed on Obama. They would say, "Of course Romney is healing all of the socialist kenyan destruction that Obama caused, but no man could do it in 4 or 8 years, not even Romney!"

This is why these discussions are pointless.

The republicans who hate Obama will blame him no matter what. God FORBID you still blame Bush for the wars we are involved in, or for the unrealistic tax cuts for the rich and wealthy, and for what happened to our country that CAUSED Obama to get elected (Yea, he rode in on Hope and Change. Why? Because at the time, people thought ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN BUSH. And so far, Obama IS better than Bush. At least that much is apparent).

But the same people who whine and whine about how we shouldn't mention poor Bush anymore, they will be blaming Obama for decades to come. That is, if things don't improve. If they do, they will still be bashing Obama, and celebrating whoever claims to have solved the 'problems' of our Country and World.


Truth be told? # happens. Bush did some #ed up #, but even that isn't why our economy nearly melted. For you imbeciles who blame Obama for this or that....you do realize the world wide economy nearly melted along with the United States, right?

Politicans are opportunists. They know something that any college educated man or women SHOULD know. There are periods of growth, and periods of recession. Despite whatever originally triggered these periods, they manifest themselves like clockwork, in every economy.

Politicians , both democrats and republicans, just switch offices back and forth, it is a revolving door, because they are both opportunists. When something go wrong, they both blame each other, when something works, they both take credit. The difference is determined by who is holding the highest office. If it is Republican, then a Democrat will surely look all the better when things are down. And vice versa.


Let this man have his 8 years.

And stop kidding yourselves. This system is going to crumble, and it will crumble HARD. I don't know if it will happen during these next 4 years, or next 40 years, or perhaps in as much as 80 years. What I do know, is capitalism, the way WE do it, is not balanced, is not cyclical, and can NOT sustain itself. Sooner or later the party will end. The good men and women, who you all should have listened to Ages ago, tried to teach you the ways of Nature, and the ways of Harmony. Many of people have come to this Earth with actual, selfless solutions, and there NOT heard. So keep blaming Obama for all your problems, it matters not to me. For the sake of yourselves though, wake up - see what is really going on, and shift your focus from this asburd, democrat vs. republican dichotomy that makes NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER.

[edit: fixed a spelling error. One of many probably, but it caught my eye so I had to fix it )

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2) Cut everyone's hours to 30 hours a week


If thats the case, then the company would need to hire additional staff...lowering umeployment

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You misunderstood me, Romney care is a blunder, a failure, costing so much to his own state that it needed a Federal bailout to keep the state from bankcrupting, taking into consideration that Obamacare is modeled to Romney it will also fail and will banckrupt the nation more that is already.

In orde words Romeny care got bailout by the Fed and the rest of the nations tax payers to keep Obamacare from been exposed, but now who will bailout Obamacare when it becomes a failure?, that is the big question, I guess the tax incresed will do that.

Originally posted by ninjamikec
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I didn't vote so I didn't affect anything. But when was the last time you saw a CEO take a pay cut to save jobs? It goes both ways....instead of laying people off maybe they should regulate pay. That's what ford is doing now and they are bouncing back nicely ...and don't twist my words into thinking I want socialism but it's a businesses choice to lay people off. But if the president/owner/CEO really cared about their employees he would make some sacrifices first before he fires people

That is the truth though, isn't it? You said it best "If the CEO/Owner/Etc really cared, THEY would take a pay cut"

That is ONE major problem here. None of them will. The economy is in the #ter, and who really suffers? The rich or the poor? I'll give you a guess. Since the economy tanked, I haven't seen one ex-millionaire move into MY neighborhood. I have, however, seen MANY middle class men and women move into poorer areas. Why? The POOR suffer.

Obama took a stand. He put in more regulations. He started taxing the wealthy more. Things that should have been done in the FIRST place.

Everyone says its poor peoples fault. They are the problem. They are on welfare. No one wants to admit that MANY of todays wealthy class wouldn't be nothing but a # stain if it wasn't for the opportunity granted to them by THIS COUNTRY. Yet when THIS country needs help, people say do away with welfare? No one wants to say that the rich need to give back more, no except someone like Obama.

These companies that are supposedly cutting off workers. You do realize , as someone on page 3 suggested, that they are doing this, so that they can continnue making the same profit, or continue to grow. It is all about THEM.


I don't believe higher taxes are a good thing. Not for the wealthy, and not for the poor. When you tax the wealthy more, it DOES affect everyone. The issue isn't if the taxe hikes are a GOOD thing or not. It is if they are NECESSARY. And yes, they are.


Sorry, but this is just the opinion of one man. No more or less valuable than anyone elses opinion here.

Originally posted by MegaMind
You guys have it all wrong. It's not the BIG companies that will suffer under Obama. They are in bed with the government. It's small to medium size businesses that will suffer under the new ObamaCare etc.

The plan is simple. Everyone will work for some major corporation and no one will have a small business or be independent. Government regulations and unfair competition with the corporate giants that drive those regulations destroy small to medium businesses.

Enjoy the new Amerika

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Oh and go team Obama! He is for the little guy /sarcasm

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Totally agree.

My company had to join with 2 other large national companies just to make it through. We had to become a large corporation in order to survive, as long as we wanted to be independent we would fail to exist beyond next year.

Either go BIG or stay home.

God Bless,

Originally posted by Indigo5
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No offense, but you are just saying things...not backing any of it up with specifics, details, links...nothing. I just broke down to the penny the factors that effect gas prices and provided links...not really worth having a conversation with someone whose best argument is "cuz I say so".

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LOL. Your charts did not mention any sepcifics. Want specifics: here you go:

While crude oil is traded in a global market, gasoline is part of a regional market. Crude oil prices are important in determining gasoline prices because crude is the primary raw material used to produce gasoline. The price of crude oil may account for over half the price of a gallon of gasoline.

Transitions in supply can also affect the short-term availability of gasoline. Going into the peak summer driving season, refineries are adjusting their gasoline formulas to help protect the air quality in warmer weather. And, because of changes to federal energy legislation passed in 2007, many states are switching to ethanol-blended gasoline.

Many states require specific formulations of gasoline — there are currently 18 separate gasoline formulas for different regions of the country-and it is often difficult to import gasoline supplies from one region to another.

Each gallon of gasoline also is subject to numerous taxes and fees, which vary by state. In California, the price of gasoline includes a federal motor fuel excise tax, a California motor fuel excise tax, state and local sales taxes as well as other state and local fees totaling more than 66 cents a gallon. View state tax chart.

After the crude oil is processed through the refinery, the finished gasoline product is transported to a terminal, where it may be sold to a wholesaler for distribution to the wholesaler's retail network or delivered to the retail location. There the retailer sets the "street price," which includes a margin to account for the retailer's cost of doing business at that particular location and the retailer's profit.

www.thepriceoffuel.com...

Regulatory steps to reduce air pollution have also influenced gasoline markets. Many states require the use of various blends of cleaner-burning gasoline, often called "boutique fuels," that are specially formulated to meet federal and state emissions regulations. Gasoline sold in California is not the same as gasoline sold in Arizona or Las Vegas. Creating these different fuels results in "island" markets and inhibits the ability of refiners and marketers to move supplies from one region to another to meet local or regional demand. There are currently 18 separate formulas of gasoline mandated for different regions.

Another significant influence on gasoline prices are taxes, which can vary dramatically across different markets. Differences in state and local sales and excise taxes can add as much as 40 cents per gallon (cpg) in certain areas. The American Petroleum Institute reports the national average for gasoline taxes is 45 cpg. Alaska has the lowest gasoline taxes in the country at 18.4 cpg, while New York and California have the highest, at 60.9 cpg and 58.3 cpg, respectively. Washington is third highest at 55.9 cpg.

Permitting requirements for petroleum infrastructure can also affect gasoline markets. Although demand for gasoline in the United States has grown over the years, no new refineries have been constructed since the 1970s. In order to meet demand, the U.S. must import large volumes of gasoline and other petroleum products.

Environmental Regulatory Burdens

As noted a moment ago, the refining business is not a particularly profitable one. Its profit margins, in fact, are smaller than the industrial average and no new refinery has been built in over thirty years. Refining capacity is shrinking annually due to plant shutdowns despite continually increasing demand.

The lack of profitability within this industry can be easily traced to several causes.

First, air pollution and hazardous waste regulations hit this particular industry harder than almost most any other. While such regulatory burdens might be justified as the price society must pay for a cleaner environment, that is unfortunately not the case. A 1990 joint study by the U.S. EPA and Amoco found that a typical refinery could meet all of EPA's emission mandates at only 20 percent of the cost if only the federal government would allow the plant managers flexibility in how they go about controlling emissions.

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Right, so no one will have a full time job, everyone will have to work 3 or 4 part time jobs to live. Sounds like slavery to me.....

Environmental Regulatory Burdens

As noted a moment ago, the refining business is not a particularly profitable one. Its profit margins, in fact, are smaller than the industrial average and no new refinery has been built in over thirty years. Refining capacity is shrinking annually due to plant shutdowns despite continually increasing demand.

The lack of profitability within this industry can be easily traced to several causes.

First, air pollution and hazardous waste regulations hit this particular industry harder than almost most any other. While such regulatory burdens might be justified as the price society must pay for a cleaner environment, that is unfortunately not the case. A 1990 joint study by the U.S. EPA and Amoco found that a typical refinery could meet all of EPA's emission mandates at only 20 percent of the cost if only the federal government would allow the plant managers flexibility in how they go about controlling emissions.

Second, delays in permit review and issuance seriously constrain a refiner's ability to react to profitable market opportunities such as the one presented today by high prices in the Milwaukee/Chicago area. Retooling a plant to produce a different gasoline blend requires federal permits to ensure that no additional air pollutants would result from the change. Often, these permit reviews take so long that windows of market opportunity close before refiners are capable of taking advantage of them.

Third, the federal government is constantly issuing new orders regarding how gasoline can be made. Those orders, which require constant retooling and reinvestment in facilities, not only impose steep up-front costs but curtail a plant's ability to capture profits from previous mandated retoolings and reinvestments. The refining industry is today facing 12 major regulatory actions over the next 10 years, all of which will require major capital investments. Many of those regulatory actions concern additional mandated changes in gasoline blends such as the reduction of sulfur in gasoline and diesel fuel, total elimination of MTBE from reformulated gasoline, and the reduction of various toxic substances. These changes alone will cost between $1.8 billion and $5 billion depending upon how the regulations are promulgated by EPA.

As long as government is insensitive to the regulatory costs it's imposing on this industry, it cannot legitimately complain when the industry occasionally stumbles under the weight of its regulatory burdens. In short, the government has made certain that there is little profit to be made in the business of refining gasoline, capacity is naturally dwindling, and the industry's ability to quickly and efficiently adjust to dislocations caused by new mandates is disappearing.

Reformulated Gasoline Mandate

As a consequence of the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990, areas that violated federal air quality standards were required to sell only specially reformulated gasoline beginning June 1, 2000. This new gasoline is blended with various oxygenates (primarily methyl tertiary butyl ether - MTBE, or ethanol) in order to reduce the emission of carbon monoxide, a significant contributor to wintertime smog, and to reduce the amount of toxic chemicals, such as benzene, in the fuel. This reformulated gasoline now serves 30 percent of the country.

While today's reformulated gasoline (known in the regulated community as "Phase II" reformulated gasoline, or RFG-2) is 1-2 cents more expensive per gallon than last year's "Phase I" reformulated gasoline and 5-8 cents more expensive than conventional gasoline, the real consumer impact of reformulated gasoline is related to the rigidity it imposes on national gasoline markets.

The accompanying map of the United States shows the different federal requirements for retail gasoline. As of October 1999, there were essentially seven separate gasoline markets. As of today, there are eight; gasoline is reformulated with ethanol in Milwaukee and Chicago but with MTBE elsewhere.

This is a crucial point. As noted earlier, gasoline intended for ethanol reformulation requires a unique blendstock known in the trade as "RBOB." That's because ethanol evaporates easily and unburned evaporated fuel is a major contributor to smog. Gasoline intended for ethanol blending must, accordingly, be specially made in order to minimize ethanol evaporation rates.
Because of RBOB's unique characteristics, it must be segregated from other gasoline all the way up the transportation system until the point just before it is mingled with ethanol and delivered to the service station. Accordingly, it cannot move through normal distribution channels and requires an entirely separate, dedicated transportation network.
This congressionally mandated balkanization of the gasoline market has seriously hampered the flexibility that refiners would otherwise have to react to spot shortages

www.cato.org...

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by primus2012

Invest in the consumer class by increasing their payroll taxes? That is happening as well in 2013. People will have less to spend.

No...it could happen and whether or not it does or not is dependant on the GOP dominated house. After the GOP's losing steak ever since the 2010 mid-terms, the likelyhood that they will "hostage take" the middle class again is pretty slim, but regardless not sure how rebuts the fact that the middle class, not the "wealthy" drive the economy?

I do agree that the middle class drives the economy, but that is based on their ability to drive (fill up the ol gas tank), earn, and spend, which ties back to jobs, taxes, and surplus dollars in their pockets. Increasing taxes on income and revenue are hindering measures placed on the economy at large.

We should let the consumers decide the tax revenue. I like the idea of a flat tax or fair tax on goods and services at the time of purchase, and fed/state/local take their share at that time. No income/revenue/profit tax period. IRS would become obsolete and go bye-bye. The middle class would truly drive the market then. Companies would flee other nations to come here and set up shop.

It is not worth havnig a discussion with a guy who fails to educate himself and just spoutes the "Evil Oil Corporations" meme over and over again.

Originally posted by primus2012

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
How is Obama making businesses lay off it's employees? Where is the connection?

Uhm...2013 tax code maybe? It will really be felt in 2014 after filings are complete, but businesses already know and need to prepare.

How is it that hard to understand?

Where is this magic tax code that is going to cost them? How does it have anything to do with Obamacare? Just because some Neocon has a wet dream about President Obama single-handedly overriding the fiscal-policy-setting Republican House of Representatives does not make it true.

Yes, there will be tax credits for businesses who pay all or a portion of their employees' health insurance benefits, but, in the U.S....heck, on Earth, and possibly throughout the entire universe, tax CREDITS mean you're paying LESS taxes!

All I want is for one big-spending Neocon (because there are no real conservatives, now are there), to explain to me where these alleged businesses got the idea that their taxes are going up. I would also like to know which businesses they are because I'm planning on short-selling stock of any business laying employees off for the reason of possible future tax increases.

Simply amazing..."I don't want to pay a couple percent more on the top portion of my profits, so I would rather take home less money." Anyone who thinks that way...well, let's just say I wouldn't hire them.

I think the USA should tax the rest of the world. A 20% tax on the other countries in the world for us being the police force. Then our debt would be gone. Tax the rest of the world for the USA. Thats a 20% tax that goes to the people of the USA not the privately owned federal reserve cartel.

Originally posted by NavyDoc

LOL. Your charts did not mention any sepcifics.

Wow...didn't look at the link did you? Can't figure out if you are ignorant in this claim or dishonest? Actually stopped caring either way...

Originally posted by kawika
reply to post by ararisq

 

Same at my company.

Boss was out in the parking lot noting down which cars had Obummer stickers on em...

Seriously!?!?


And this doesn't strike you guys as......unusual?

I think you proved the point that a majority are trying to make on this thread. Politics IS the motivating factor of a lot of the fear-based "layoff" threats.

Things don't feel so good in America anymore. A country where your boss just might fire you for your political affliation

Originally posted by AmenStop
I think the USA should tax the rest of the world. A 20% tax on the other countries in the world for us being the police force. Then our debt would be gone. Tax the rest of the world for the USA. Thats a 20% tax that goes to the people of the USA not the privately owned federal reserve cartel.

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Haha, don't worry. We already ARE taxing the rest of the world. By taxing, I mean putting a strain on. I think MOST countries would be happy to see our country go through so hard times....if it means we will stop meddling in the affairs of other countries!

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by ararisq

 

Two hours after the election was called, my boss came into the break room and announced that gas has gone up .45 cents.

I work at a logistics company and fuel is our lifeblood. I'm seeing layoffs in my future as well.

For those that do not get it...

When the cost of transporting food, commodities or what have you, goes up...so does everything else.

Everybody had best tighten their belts...again.

Only problem is- Obama's Presidency has no control over the price of gas...at all. Zilch

So, your boss is an idiot and you work for a ridiculous company. It's probably best if you look for a new job regardless.

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i'm pretty sure I've got twice as well a grip on thigs than you do. I see through both of them. I hope someday you will too.

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How do you make the connection to Obama?


Sounds like more drivel coming from the right blaming Obama for every thing under the sun. It is the responsibility of the company to manage it's future, it is the company's responsibility to succeed or fail. The economy is not hinged on the president alone. Had Romney been elected we would all be on the chopping block see thats what he did best was kill jobs sending them over seas with his $hi! eating grin. The potus can only pass motions much like a lawyer. Obama told people even before he became prez that it would take a decade for the country to return to normalcy. Instead of these corporations doing the leg work and getting with the program they throw a fit since all that money spent on lobbyists did not pan out mind you they pay more out to lobbyists then they do in taxes. If anything they enable the economic collapse so they can get handed some more bail out's... ironic as it is they dont mind getting that Obama money and putting it on our tab "us middle class blue collar folks"

Originally posted by kawika
reply to post by ararisq

 

Same at my company.

Boss was out in the parking lot noting down which cars had Obummer stickers on em...

Awesome for you!
Ever wanted to own your company?...cuz firing folks based on political affiliation is a SLAM DUNK lawsuit...attorneys will pay you an advance just to take the case!...assuming you aren't just full of SH*&

Being full of SH*& is the biggest issue facing the right wing these days...

I keep expecting the right wing to figure out that handi-cap, but instead they keep on BSing eachother in forums like this. Bubble intact!