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Obama Wins - Layoffs Starting

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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:41 PM
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It is NOT scare tactics.. it is Reality. Why would anyone keep employees just because the employee needed a job. That is not the reason for a company. A company works on Money. Profits.. If they can not afford to pay all the bills and still keep all the employees guess who goes.. Not the Bills..Why does everyone think they are owed a job. No one makes jobs for YOU .. they make a business for THEMSELVES.. what the hell is wrong with this country. Do not buy the product.. no one cares just more poor workers do not also have a job.




posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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I would just fire everyone.. Go somewhere else and start up. Close shop.. no one can make you stay in a failed business. You all thought you would get what you want.. well think again..



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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Read Harry Reid wants to raise the debt ceiling another 2.14 trillion dollars if need be. Talk about planting a seed. Gave ya a star. To the others on the gas issue............gas is traded with the dollar,nuf said



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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They will not agree with you .. THEY think that a business is opened up just to employee them they actually think it is your obligation to,
and make sure they keep getting a pay check even if you are in the red...



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by Montana
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If you are referring to forcing access to closed markets, you have to understand that the railroad industry owns many of the judges already. They think going to court is a day in the park. Remember how long they have been at this.


forgive they delay in replying the links both have your response listed on 11 while it is on ten

I know there are multiple ways but,


are we saying the same thing... trying to keep track of the conversations are annoying me and I have to run soon

the companies own the judges

I feel that the comment originally stated is correct

control of the main lines is profitable and desireable...
as for the other access... amount of control allows walmart type market moves in relationship to price

court is not fun but it can be used to destroy the competition

again I apologize for response time



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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Geez. 30 years ago when Reagan was elected there was a rumor started that he was going to send all American blacks to Africa. I'm sure many of you remember hearing this, too. It was just bull#.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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Not trying to be rude or anything, but how would I move anywhere with no money?



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by BishopLord
Geez. 30 years ago when Reagan was elected there was a rumor started that he was going to send all American blacks to Africa. I'm sure many of you remember hearing this, too. It was just bull#.


I don't remember any such rumor.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:26 PM
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That is so true...I know of 2 corporate companies that have just split into 3 smaller ones so they will not have to pay Obama care.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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Pardon me for interjecting a scientific equation into your otherwise 'meaningful' dialogue.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by TDawgRex
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Two hours after the election was called, my boss came into the break room and announced that gas has gone up .45 cents.


You do realize that the price of gas is set in the global markets? Or that in order for President to even slightly effect the price of gas he would need to Nationalize the oil industry?



Part of the reason why the prices of oil and gas might go up, is because of speculation on it's future price.

There are oil and gas futures which people buy, thinking about the future price of these things, and believing those to be good investments. It could be speculation that the economy will improve and so the price will increase. Or it could be speculation that the supply will be constrained, ie for instance, if Obama doesn't approve the Excel pipeline from Canada, and that this will fuel the demand fuelled price levels further.

The stock market is also speculative on the future of industries. If there are large numbers of people who don't believe in the future of the economy, then big institutional investors who try to capture those that are interested in future purchases of stocks and shares will try pulling out of the market.

If on the other hand the trade with China/India/Russia (BRICS nations) are increasing, then institutional investors may pull out of the stock market as well, and prefer foreign markets to speculate on.

It could also be that the stock markets take a reaction to the potential for their need for money to pay various debts and are therefore selling their stock (causing much sell off, as well) as a means to increase liquid cash holdings.

If there was a war looming. Yeah, you'd have oil hit really high prices on speculation alone.

The price of energy will impact many a company's sales. But, if energy prices go up (gas in particular), so does transportation costs for Chinese goods, which will lower a company's immediate bottom line competitiveness.

Layoffs are often tricks that are created by some of the larger companies that can afford to do such (without much loss in business, if any) + some do hiring at the same time, and don't make a fuss over the fact that they are doing so, just to make the markets think they are getting more efficient. Additionally, some of those companies realize the gains from laying off people who they can hire at a lower cost through the back door. (esp. if they don't have unions to check)

Other companies are multiply owned by the same owners. So, for instance Mazda is owned by Ford. So, they lay off expensive workers at one, and hire for cheaper at the other. They can even sell the equipment for very low prices to the other. (Not that Ford and Mazda are doing this). Or they implement inefficient practices at one company and they boost the other company's sales and show the world that the one company is badly managed and therefore is laying off expensive workers while the other gets workers at a cheaper cost - All to do with demand and supply of workers and foreign produced cheaper products.

Romney, BTW, was not going to remove the costs of Obamacare according to his debate speeches, he was merely going to re-allocate money from Obamacare to increased defence spending, and use the less expensive previous arrangement for public medicare.

No one can really speculate on the changes that are occurring whether it is a direct result of government interventions or not, because the economy is still going to suffer from much money going to foreign products being purchased by the country and few jobs staying put. It wouldn't have changed under Romney, although there is possible speculation on what he meant by catching the Chinese when they "cheat". Some time back the Californians (somewhere in the 80s) had a backlash against Japan for the cheap Japanese cars they sold in the US, and much regulation was put in place against the Japanese, until they conceded on many a business front (for eg: ownership of Japanese corporations, for increasing foreign ownership).

Japanese manufacturers were upset with their government and the concessions got quickly patched through.

Much of the quick reactions are going to be driven by stock markets at the larger companies, because non-dividend stocks purchases are driven only by speculation of further purchasing of the stocks alone - and this is fuelled by a show that is going on in the real world in real time... it may or may not reflect long term realities.

Many layoffs may be related to who the companies thought would win the election, based on the managerial differences between Mitt Romney and Obama. If one or the other were to make drastic changes right after the election (which both would be forced to do by a waning economy), the speculation as to what to invest in or not ahead of time.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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Just thought I'd add:

I guess ordinary people don't see these large scale moves on their agendas, as we/they have no idea of such moves in the stock market and what it does.

There was recently a report on the radio as to how stock market factors were being put in computer programs that did automated trading (you can see such shows that tell you about software that tell you these things ahead of time, since they have many traders working with their software), taking in to consideration the way the ordinary little guy or big companies unguided by such software behaved, so that every trade made money.

Someone else then went in and discovering this pattern of recognition, then built another software which outdid the one that was made by a couple of smart programmers... and the effort then became known to the public.

It looks like there are computers playing chess with the stock market and we are just pawns in the whole thing.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by DOLCOTTI may open a repair shop to fix Obama phones??????


Uh yeah... no. The company that makes these is located in Mexico and also repairs them as well.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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For everyone that voted for Obama this is your "Hope" and your "Change" that he promised if you would give him your vote. Your gonna see unemployment rise dramatically, stocks continue to drop, gas prices continue to rise, taxes will rise for those of us with jobs because of obamacare and lost revenue from people being out of work. Well at least the times ahead will be pretty action packed and exiting to watch from an observer's point of view.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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scare tactics, if they do layoff people then spread the word for people not to buy their product. if i ever hear someone got layed off from a job i would never support their product ever, and i think most americans would do the same
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I don't think so. Companies will lay off people, rather than incur the horrendous costs of forced coverage for health care, as a result of the election results. In addition, Obama made it clear he would raise taxes on what he calls "the rich", which includes small businesses. If Romney had been elected, he would have puled the trigger on healthcare, and companies would have felt more confidence in hiring, as he had promised not to raise taxes.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 06:07 PM
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I work hauling steel, I was told by several workers at different locations (before elections of course) that work will slow down or end completely for them (and in turn for us steel haulers) if Obama wins, first time I heard that I called bs, (not for Obama nor am I for Romney) I just couldn't belive it would happen just like that, then they told me "the investors don't want to invest even now because they want to see who wins, that's why it's slowed down so much, and if Obama wins the Investors will pull out" I in all honesty don't know how true it all is or how closely it's related to Obama winning, but I do know that work has definitely slowed down. Fact is, unfortunately the rich people or investors and what not are what keeps many people employed. I hate politics, one side will lose at times and at others win, unfortunately those of us at the bottom wind up losing with whoever loses.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 07:01 PM
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Businesses should lay off those employees that are known Obama supporters. Then they will join the masses on entitlements and learn the consequences of that vote. That is the problem. Entitlement society doesn't feel economic pain the way working families do. There is no motivation to change. The only way this will change is if the next few million who lose their jobs and economic standing actually FEEL the economic pain and realize that this isn't Bush's fault at all.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by DOLCOTT
Our CEO announced today that we would be restructuring, code word for lay-offs. No optimistic outlook for 1st quarter 2013. Companies that would have expanded or opened will still be in a holding pattern until things shake out. If you work for or with the FEDS you will be fine unless it is military funded.


I may open a repair shop to fix Obama phones??????



I may open a repair shop to fix Obama phones??????
Funny you mentioned that....I heard today about some chick who had a good 20-30 of those babies. I guess if one really knows how to work the system, you can pretty much get whatever you want...!



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 07:27 PM
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And it begins...In the past 48 hours, the following companies have all announced layoffs in the USA:

- Westinghouse
- Research in Motion Ltd.
- Lightyear Network Solutions
- Providence Journal
- Hawker Beechcraft
- Boeing
- CVPH Medical Center
- US Cellular
- Commerzbank
- Iberia
- Momentive Performance Materials
- Brake Parts
- Gameforge Berlin
- Vestas Wind Systems
- Husqvarna
- ING
- Ericsson
- SRA International
- PerkinElmer
- Majestic Star Casino and Hotel
- Center for Hospice NY
- Bristol-Myers
- Lower Bucks Hospital
- Oce North America
- Corning
- United Blood Services Gulf
- Atlantic Lottery Corporation
- Welch Allyn
- Dana Holding
- Stryker
- Boston Scientific
- Medtronic
- Smith & Nephew
- Abbott Labs
- Covidien
- Kinetic Concepts
- St. Jude
- Hill Rom
- Darden Restaurants
- JANCOA
- Kroger
- Caterpillar
- Alcatel-Lucent
- Umatilla Chemical
- Rocketdyne

YEAH!!! More Hopy Changy! Doesn't it feel great!!! Don't worry though folks, we still have another 4 years to bame it all on Bush!



edit on 8-11-2012 by Propulsion because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Aliensdoexist
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For everyone that voted for Obama this is your "Hope" and your "Change" that he promised if you would give him your vote. Your gonna see unemployment rise dramatically, stocks continue to drop, gas prices continue to rise, taxes will rise for those of us with jobs because of obamacare and lost revenue from people being out of work. Well at least the times ahead will be pretty action packed and exiting to watch from an observer's point of view.



Coming from someone named AliensDoExist I don't know if I should take this post seriously...yeah I still don't know. Okay I guess if you believe in Aliens you wouldd believe that this thread holds the truth as well...

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