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Obama Wins - Layoffs Starting

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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by spleenika
So not a single policy has changed in the last 48 hours, and somehow Obama caused these layoffs?


Guys, seriously - if you don't under legislation and that most of the changes passed in the past couple of years had a time bomb delay for 2014 then don't bother posting.




posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Procession101

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by ararisq
 


Two hours after the election was called, my boss came into the break room and announced that gas has gone up .45 cents.



You do realize that the price of gas is set in the global markets? Or that in order for President to even slightly effect the price of gas he would need to Nationalize the oil industry?

Or is this a reality free zone?


This is a reality free zone Indigo5.
The right side of the country is really beat over losing ANOTHER election and are trying to scare people into believing that their choice for POTUS was wrong.


You guys do realize that the cost of gasoline in the US also is detemined by refining in the US, regulation in the US, taxation in the US, and transportation and distribution in the US? All of which IS affected by governmental policies

The choice for POTUS was wrong from an economic standpoint, that is obvious. The choice on the POTUS was made due to promises of free stuff.


You do realize that REALITY disagrees with you?

"cost of gasoline in the US also is detemined by refining in the US, regulation in the US, taxation in the US, and transportation and distribution in the US?"

An Exxon Mobile VP breaks it down for us...lest you think an Oil Industry exec is in the bag for Obama?

Crude oil (set in the world markets): 80% of the cost per gallon
Taxes (haven't changed since 1994): 12%
Marketing, Distribution etc: 10%
Refining: -2%...YES Negative 2%, they make it up under distribution and marketing.

How again does a President effect the price of Gas?

www.exxonmobilperspectives.com...

The party in power and the taxes and regulations they promote and the EPA oversight does in fact reflect the cost of the gasoline at the pump. You honestly cannot be that dense.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by mrnotobc

Originally posted by PULVERlZER

Obama is for the middle class;
edit on 8-11-2012 by PULVERlZER because: html coding in text


You drank the cool aid didn't you?


Compared to Romney who was making $60,000 a day in dividends

YES

Romney surpasses Obama's net worth every month

Obama took his Harvard degree to make $35,000 a year in the ghetto -

You are on the Koolaide
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:13 PM
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everybody that fires their employees for the simple fact that Obama was elected, as a scare tactic from the Romney camp, is an irresponsible jerk.

They will rehire for the most part I bet. This is just spite in most cases I think.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by Larry L
 

My point is not that they are making a profit, or why they are making a profit...

Can you explain to me why you feel its okay for a company that is making plenty of profit to be allowing the US taxpayer to have to pay out benefits to their employees (through social services), when they have plenty of money to be paying out those benefits themselves? ...And at the same that they are using more then their fair share of those social services, they are also paying out less in taxes then normal joe blow citizen for those services?


Isn't this because of fascism? The government in bed with mega-corporations passing laws that benefit those corporations and their own re-election finances in the process? If the law allows the corporation to take that path to increase their profit why shouldn't they do it? It seems like an issue with our government that is allowing them to do this. Who was president when Walmart was doing this again?



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by manykapao
everybody that fires their employees for the simple fact that Obama was elected, as a scare tactic from the Romney camp, is an irresponsible jerk.

They will rehire for the most part I bet. This is just spite in most cases I think.


Nobody is firing for that simple fact. It's not the person, it's the regulatory and tax baggage that comes with him.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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Funny,

David Siegal CEO of Westgate Resorts threatened to fire people if Obama got elected remember that ?

Employee letter

Well Business Week caught up with him after the elections and guess what he said?


Are you going to lay off employees as you suggested in your memo?

I don’t know. I’m going to work my hardest to keep the company going and expand the best I can. We’ll see what happens. Meanwhile I gave everybody in the company a raise this week—the average was 5 percent. I wanted to help them handle the additional burdens the government will put on them.

Source




posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by ararisq
I work for a company that has been on a hiring spree all year, adding 50+ jobs this year alone. Today, I got the call that my staff is being cut by over 75%. I have no idea how we'll be able to deliver our work next year, it just seems impossible.

I've heard some other anecdotal evidence that people are losing their jobs all across the company as businesses allocate what used to be salary to future taxes.



It boils down to ObamaCare. Anyone working more than 30 hours a week will have to be provided healthcare insurance by the company. The options for companies are:

1) Lay off workers
2) Cut everyone's hours to 30 hours a week
3) Close the doors on the business and increase unemployment
4) Increase prices to cover the overhead costs for ObamaCare

Simple as that. If they increase prices, do you believe that your wages will increase ? NOT !!!!
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
Right now minimum wage is $1256.67/ month, or $15080.00/year.
...And that's before you pay out your taxes, social security, etc.
No one can afford to live on that amount of money, I don't care where you live, its unrealistic.
Just a cheap one bedroom apartment will cost you more then half of that, let alone utilities, food, and other basic expenses. Stuff like healthcare, averaging around $200 per person, is out of the reach of these folks.

So who's fault is that?
Is it the person who is working that job?
Is it the cheap corporation that is paying those unrealistic wages?
Or is it the government who is only doing what the corporations lobby for?


GOVERNMENT. You people simplify everything to "corporate greed" and you miss the whole boat. The reason that it is impossible to live on minimum wage is that inflation sky-rocketed when we received our blank check book in 1970. Inflation is managed by the Federal Reserve that does not need any approval from Congress. Congress must approve increases to the minimum wage. Therefore, there is a built in bias against the poor from that perspective because Congress cannot move as quickly as the Federal Reserve.



When a corporation pays out this level, they know that us taxpayer have to 'pick up the slack', which is basically handing them free money that they do not deserve and did not earn.


There you go again - "a corporation". The government set minimum wage. The Democrats had a super majority and the presidency and did nothing about it. They cause the problem because they increase the deficit and debt which causes the Reserve to accept the debt and invent money to cover the cost which leads to currency inflation. STOP SPENDING WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE and the problem goes away but the left loves its circular logic.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:23 PM
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reply to post by Labrynth2012
 


And Romneycare would had cost more and covered less ...



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by MDDoxs
reply to post by Indigo5
 



How again does a President effect the price of Gas?


Foreign policy doesnt apply to foreign imports of crude? Would have never guessed.


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Lord help me...silly statements...Flesh it out for me. What do you want the President to do Foriegn Policy wise to effect the price of gas? A war with Iran?



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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No offense, but you are just saying things...not backing any of it up with specifics, details, links...nothing. I just broke down to the penny the factors that effect gas prices and provided links...not really worth having a conversation with someone whose best argument is "cuz I say so".
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by ararisq

Originally posted by defcon5
Right now minimum wage is $1256.67/ month, or $15080.00/year.
...And that's before you pay out your taxes, social security, etc.
No one can afford to live on that amount of money, I don't care where you live, its unrealistic.
Just a cheap one bedroom apartment will cost you more then half of that, let alone utilities, food, and other basic expenses. Stuff like healthcare, averaging around $200 per person, is out of the reach of these folks.

So who's fault is that?
Is it the person who is working that job?
Is it the cheap corporation that is paying those unrealistic wages?
Or is it the government who is only doing what the corporations lobby for?


GOVERNMENT. You people simplify everything to "corporate greed" and you miss the whole boat. The reason that it is impossible to live on minimum wage is that inflation sky-rocketed when we received our blank check book in 1970. Inflation is managed by the Federal Reserve that does not need any approval from Congress. Congress must approve increases to the minimum wage. Therefore, there is a built in bias against the poor from that perspective because Congress cannot move as quickly as the Federal Reserve.



When a corporation pays out this level, they know that us taxpayer have to 'pick up the slack', which is basically handing them free money that they do not deserve and did not earn.


There you go again - "a corporation". The government set minimum wage. The Democrats had a super majority and the presidency and did nothing about it. They cause the problem because they increase the deficit and debt which causes the Reserve to accept the debt and invent money to cover the cost which leads to currency inflation. STOP SPENDING WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE and the problem goes away but the left loves its circular logic.


Sorry to tell you, but in the 1800's and the 1700's - people ACTUALLY starved

And sorry to tell you

Reagan, king of conservatism introduced more national debt then all previous presidents before him
combined.

talk about circular logic...
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by primus2012

Invest in the consumer class by increasing their payroll taxes? That is happening as well in 2013. People will have less to spend.


No...it could happen and whether or not it does or not is dependant on the GOP dominated house. After the GOP's losing steak ever since the 2010 mid-terms, the likelyhood that they will "hostage take" the middle class again is pretty slim, but regardless not sure how rebuts the fact that the middle class, not the "wealthy" drive the economy?



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by longlostbrother
Anecdotal evidence isn't really very useful.

The way the US economy tends to work is that one area declines while another booms... generally speaking... e.g. the wealth generated by the tech bubble didn't create thousands of jobs in Detroit.

If you want a better job, you might have to move to an area that has more jobs going... that's just the nature of the US.


While that may be true when the auto industry was facing competition in Japan and the tech industry faced competition from China and India - it does not apply when the government passes sweeping changes on all industry. They all face the same attack on revenue (well except those that donate sufficiently - they get a waiver).



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by primus2012

Originally posted by manykapao
everybody that fires their employees for the simple fact that Obama was elected, as a scare tactic from the Romney camp, is an irresponsible jerk.

They will rehire for the most part I bet. This is just spite in most cases I think.


Nobody is firing for that simple fact. It's not the person, it's the regulatory and tax baggage that comes with him.


First off,,,,, I'm done Stomping around the house and cursing
We lost and I would like to Congratulate the Obama Voters, The only good thing that came out of this is, Only 4 more years and he can fad away.
My friend primus2012 and Labrynth2012 are correct.
It's not the hate for Obama it's his policies.
This is what people want you to believe:

A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees fired 22 workers today, apparently as a direct result of President Obama’s re-election.

It wasn't the fact Obama was re-elected.
Here is the business owners, reason he gave.

“David” (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons) told Host Kevin Wall on 100.5 KXNT that “elections have consequences” and that “at the end of the day, I need to survive.”


“I explained to them a month ago that if Obama gets in office that the regulations for Obamacare are gonna hurt our business, and I’m gonna have to make provisions to make sure I have enough money to cover the payroll taxes, the additional health care I’m gonna have to do, and I explained that to them and I said you do what you feel like in your heart you need to do, but I’m just letting you know as a warning this is things I have to think of as a business owner.

The bottom line is Survival for his family and his business.

I had to lay off 22 people today to make sure that my business is gonna thrive and I’m gonna be around for years to come. I have to build up that nest egg now for the taxes and regulations that are coming my way.

lasvegas.cbslocal.com...



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by primus2012
When suppliers' profits are reduced due to any reason, they will increase their prices on goods and services to the consumer.


Your are talking about Price Elasticity and supply and demand. Demand determines price unless there is monopoly. If your logic of reduced profits equal higher prices held true than the opposite would hold...higher profits equal lower prices...which is contradictory...lets drop our price again so we can make more profit! Price is determined by the market...demand.

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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:53 PM
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You guys should check out the Rants and Raves section of craigslist. I checked out Las Vegas last night and it was a # storm. Many small business owners are just saying F it and firing any employees that supported Obama. One guy fired his only 2 guys and another was on a hunting spree at work and was firing anyone he even thought supported obama.

Then just go look at other areas under the same categories. # storm I say!

Even if it's not a very credible source. You really get the feeling that business owners are pissed to the max. You also get the feeling that every business owner is feeling F'd in the goat ass! They call it like it is, The sucking sounds of government socialism are at an all time high and only going to get that much worse.

Hell, people are even talking about closing shop and moving to Costa Rico, and Canada. Then you have the wave of Medical professionals that are retiring early or looking for greener pastures.

The USA is screwed! I can see it devolving in a hurry now. If I lived there, I'd get out now. Not because Obama was elected again. But because the people with the money are scared and running as fast as they can or giving up completely. It's not gonna hold out like it is until another election.

Does anyone know which prophetic seer called that the USA would only have 44 presidents and that's all? For some reason I'm thinking Edgar Casey and Nostradamus???? ANYONE?



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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So by not supporting that company you are ensuring all employees will lose their jobs. Great plan. Misery loves company.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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I think it's more that the people really do not know how else they can fight the system. Boycotting a company just shows that you don't agree with them...How else can you let them know of your dissatisfaction in their policies? Besides, it doesn't work. Too many ill informed people. Why else would Monsanto or Wal-Mart exist still to this day?



Does anyone know which prophetic seer called that the USA would only have 44 presidents and that's all? For some reason I'm thinking Edgar Casey and Nostradamus???? ANYONE?



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