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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by primus2012

Originally posted by ninjamikec
reply to post by ararisq
 


scare tactics, if they do layoff people then spread the word for people not to buy their product. if i ever hear someone got layed off from a job i would never support their product ever, and i think most americans would do the same


Because they should just keep employees they can't afford and go under? Then you can support their product that they will no longer be able to produce?





If they can't make a product profitably then capitalism demands they compete or someone will out-compete them or are you suggesting socialism? See, the fundemental flaw in this idealogical "the job creators will abandon us" drivel is the false premise that businesses hire on a whim. Businesses do not hire when they are "happy" or when "thier guy" gets elected. They do not hire when they are given "tax breaks"...they save that money. Business 101...you invest, you expand in response to DEMAND. When consumers demand your product, you hire and expand, you invest. If you don't, your competition or start-ups will eat your lunch for you. No CFO looks around and says we have an extra-million in the bank lets make more widgets and see what happens. They say...well no one is buying more widgets - how about executive bonuses? If the widgets are flying off the shelf, they HIRE and if they don't have the money to do so, every bank on the planet will lend it to them. Consumers drive the economy....the consumer class...the MIDDLE CLASS. If tax breaks for the wealthiest equalled jobs then WTF happened over the past 6 years? The bush era tax breaks for the wealthiest have been in effect for a decade...anyone want to discuss the return on that investment in the so-called "Job Creators"? We need to invest in the consumer class. Effen economics 101.
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:04 AM
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Smell that?

It's the stench of fear-mongering B.S.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:04 AM
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www.youtube.com...
The first few minutes of the video says it all...
When the country falls to it knees with unemployment, starving people, need of health care and all round feeling of oppression...the people in need will vote for what looks good and easiest to obtain...sad thing is, TPTB know this...

We really need to get off the gadgets and communicate with one another within our communities...seek trades or favours for services, and know our community...begin food banks for close locals, a community garden, canning groups for foods, sewing classes (always a good gossip place), first aid, hunting, fishing and other types of lessons...it will close down a bit of the "world wide" knowledge of whats going on, but would build relationships close by and maybe even people you could trust to help you in a desperate time of need...

The big picture is this...no matter WHO made it in, the companies will be downsizing, laying off, cutting and firing staff and we the "little folks" will have to survive..one way or another...

~suthainn



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by ninjamikec
scare tactics,

Wrong.
Boeing Announces Big Layoffs With Defense Division
And so it continues .... :shk:


Yes cuz Boeing isn't known for it's massive boom/bust hiring cycles...God the BS is deep here...It's cloudy here today - cuz Obama got elected!!!!



Boeing
Biggest layoff: 31,000
Date of layoff: September 2001

Boeing (NYSE: BA) was another victim of the 2001 economic slowdown. The recession, and later the 9/11 attacks, hurt air travel. The commercial aircraft division of Boeing, therefore, suffered all the cuts, with the defense segment untouched. The head of the commercial division then was Ford's current CEO Alan Mulally. When he announced the cuts he said, "We were on a very positive track and this is just a sad thing for all of us." Boeing had previously had another one of the biggest layoffs. In December 1998 Boeing fired 28,000 workers.

jobs.aol.com...

From your link


The measures come as U.S. weapons makers are under pressure to cut costs and preserve profit margins amid dwindling defense spending in the U.S.

In a message to employees, Dennis Muilenburg, chief executive of Boeing Defense, Space & Security, said the company aimed to cut costs by an additional $1.6 billion from 2013 through 2015.

"We are raising the bar higher because our market challenges and opportunities require it, and our customers' needs demand it," Muilenburg said.

He said the total savings would reach $4 billion, making the company healthier and better able to deal with a tougher marketplace.

He said Boeing would cut the number of executive jobs an additional 10 percent by the end of 2012, bringing overall cuts in its executive team to 30 percent for the past two years, a move that would result in a 10 percent cut in management costs.

Boeing said the changes were not a response to the threat of additional, across-the-board U.S. budget cuts due to take effect on Jan. 2, or the outcome of U.S. elections, but represented another step in its continuing drive to "be more competitive while investing in technologies and people."

online.barrons.com...

Damn! If only Romney had got elected and we could invade Iran!!
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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In a capitalist economy, only the business owner gets rich. This is perfectly fine.

If you want "business owner" money, then by all means; start a business.

But 'til then...

Workers are slaves to the meager paycheck while constantly being reminded to fear for the possible loss of their jobs.

Business owners like it like this. It keeps workers loyal and their nose to the proverbial grind.

Don't over think what's happening.

Giving tax breaks to large companies ( a popular republican tactic ) won't result in more employees being hired.

This is a republican dreamed up myth.

Companies given large tax breaks do in fact invest in their own business; but they DO NOT hire more employees.

More employees are required ONLY if your over all sales requires you to produce more of your product.

This in rarely the case. Warehouses are currently full of "stuff" that needs to be sold. More commonly, businesses need to create their product at a lower cost.

The biggest 'overhead' cost, by far, of any company is salaries.

This is where investment happens in the form of technology used to streamline productivity. In simple terms; better machines require fewer workers...resulting in lower costs.

Proficiency achieved. BUT......

This has multiple effects on a consumer based economy where the consumer is expected to finance literally a plethora of businesses by faithfully purchasing their products.

1. Your 'consumer' has no job therefore, no money to purchase said product.

2. As profits dwindle because of a lack a sales, layoffs are required to slow production due to warehouses being stacked to the ceiling....because, again, no one is buying said product.

3. As more layoffs occur across the country, less and less money is available to purchase said product resulting in more and more layoffs ...etc

The bottom line is; for this economy to function like it was designed to, the middle class needs to have more money in their pocket to purchase products which in turn creates the need to produce more...

....this and ONLY this creates jobs.

Failing to tax the rich business owner because they're expected to create jobs is preposterous.

Why would you hire more employees when no one is buying your product?????

Economics 101

Obama is for the middle class; the same middle class coping with the burden of supporting an entire economy through innumerable purchases.

Not to mention the anti-war sentiment Obama emanates.

Romney would insist to give american soldiers lip service calling them heroes and things like that; When what the troops really want is a solution so they can finally come home.

That's why Obama got voted in.

...any more questions?

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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Complete and utter horse#. Your company should have budgeted better. Love how these companies are going to place their own stupid mistakes on Obama. #ing ridiculous. I know because my company just did the exact same thing...hired...hired...oh # no one is watching our budget. No layoffs but we found ways to cut our expenses. Now we are back to building within our own means.

The main problem is company's are becoming to greedy. Instead of trying to make a $1 off 15cents they are trying to make $1million.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Obama Wins - Layoffs Starting

These first four years were used to get familiar with his surroundings, the job. The next four will show what his true intension are. I am afraid something awfully bad will happen.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Obama is for blue collar and bringing the military home? You really believe that?



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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1.

Everyone in here knows that Presidents don't create legislation, right? Congress creates laws, then the President stamps them. If the country has crappy laws, there are several hundred other individuals who share in the blame.


2.

One piece of legislation in particular, Obamacare, is a piece of crap. I agree with that, but it's a piece of crap partially because Obama compromised with Republicans to get them to agree, which utterly failed. None of them voted for it.

The result is the monstrosity that the talking heads now label "Obamacare," though it bares little resemblance to what Obama originally put forward.


3.

"Obamacare" is not killing the economy, and neither is "over-regulation." Those things certainly complicate a traditional economic recovery, but the primary reason that the economy is stagnant is that consumers are not creating demand. Period.

So we can try the traditional boom/bust recovery and go back to business as usual and continue to ignore the fact that our lifestyle is self-destructive, or we can set some ground rules for how we conduct ourselves and make the necessary adjustments to become more stable and sustainable.

Consumerism is more destructive to our planet than war and requires many people to live in poverty so that a few can live in luxury.

Economists, bankers, etc. are essentially telling us "Appease the angry economy! Tear down the forest and build a giant bonfire to sacrifice poor people!!!!111"


...and many of us are eating it up like a steak dinner.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by PULVERlZER

Obama is for the middle class;
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You drank the cool aid didn't you?



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Procession101

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by TDawgRex
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Two hours after the election was called, my boss came into the break room and announced that gas has gone up .45 cents.



You do realize that the price of gas is set in the global markets? Or that in order for President to even slightly effect the price of gas he would need to Nationalize the oil industry?

Or is this a reality free zone?


This is a reality free zone Indigo5.
The right side of the country is really beat over losing ANOTHER election and are trying to scare people into believing that their choice for POTUS was wrong.


You guys do realize that the cost of gasoline in the US also is detemined by refining in the US, regulation in the US, taxation in the US, and transportation and distribution in the US? All of which IS affected by governmental policies

The choice for POTUS was wrong from an economic standpoint, that is obvious. The choice on the POTUS was made due to promises of free stuff.


You do realize that REALITY disagrees with you?

"cost of gasoline in the US also is detemined by refining in the US, regulation in the US, taxation in the US, and transportation and distribution in the US?"

An Exxon Mobile VP breaks it down for us...lest you think an Oil Industry exec is in the bag for Obama?

Crude oil (set in the world markets): 80% of the cost per gallon
Taxes (haven't changed since 1994): 12%
Marketing, Distribution etc: 10%
Refining: -2%...YES Negative 2%, they make it up under distribution and marketing.

How again does a President effect the price of Gas?

www.exxonmobilperspectives.com...



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:37 AM
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Well thanks the people who voted for Obama higher taxes means less money to higher and pay workers. Money goes to the gov less money to put into the business.
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by PULVERlZER
 


Obama is for blue collar and bringing the military home? You really believe that?


Well the steep decline in active troop levels, the withdrawl from Iraq, the steady increase in job numbers and the manufacturing sector growing for the first time in a decade...the auto industry to boot? I would argue that "reality" believes that. At some point this becomes a flat earth argument. You know that Mitt Romney didn't have a concession speech prepared? No one on his staff ever considered the possibility. It perfectly represents the GOPs bubble-disconnect with reality and honestly I am not sure how to help them anymore. If the Democrats had lost the GOP wouldn't have spent a second pondering why or how...Best of luck to this thread...later.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:39 AM
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How again does a President effect the price of Gas?


Foreign policy doesnt apply to foreign imports of crude? Would have never guessed.


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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:47 AM
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If telling it how it really is in sharp direct terms will be censored by the "Hall Monitors" here and what slips through only falls on deaf ears and worse, dumber than dirt, trapped idiots who are incapable of doing anything to save themselves, to say nothing of helping anyone else, what is the point in participating and saying any?

No Point and frankly, Karma is a bitch and from my perspective, you who voted for Obama or Romney, deserve everything and I mean EVERYTHING you get.

It is time to take care of our own and for my part, the further I can remove me and mine from amongst you, the better our chances of me and mine's children inheriting the earth after all of you proceed to being turned in on each other by the Devils and their Minions.

My obligations are fulfilled and I am just fine with what is ahead.

Buzzards gotta eat same as worms.


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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Tazkven

Originally posted by wills120
No, I'm not OK. Probably will not be employed soon with a wife and small child.


Sorry to hear that man, I found a page with 3, 479 jobs in your area ... maybe you can find a better job to support your family?

Career Builder


I do appreciate that Tazkven but of course I like the job I have now and don't want to lose it. I work in IT so I do have some options, however, pay has decreased across the board in technical disciplines and it's still hard to find a job with all the competition.....3,497 jobs is not a lot when you consider the population of San Diego and Orange counties!



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by MDDoxs
I recall in another thread that Lockheed Martin was delaying layoffs until after the election on the Obama administrations requests.

I certainly hope this does not reach a substantial magnitude.

4 more years is a long time and day 1 is already looking questionable.
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That was accomplished through some sort of complicated bribe from DNC in the form of picking up the layoff cost. Its a fancy and convenient yet complicated form of bribery for the average citizen to understand


Basically the bottom may fall out of the economy after November 6, 2012 with hundreds of thousands to be laid off. This would be devastating. Defense contractors agreed to delay the announcements in a sweetheart deal where the White House will pick up any costs associated with these layoffs.

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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by newcovenant
I wonder why Obama didn't get credit for your company "being on a hiring spree all year - adding 50+ jobs alone" but now that he is elected and you are facing layoffs they are his fault as well.

Everything is not Obamas fault except the things he did himself. Just like with GWB. If he was responsible once he is still responsible for what he did - not for people imaginations.


Simple, because the Obama economic changes which were passed previously do not go in to effect until after the election. That was, of course, done on purpose. Cause had they gone in to effect in 2010 or 2011 you wouldn't have voted for Obama. Well you probably would have anyway - but most people wouldn't have.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by primus2012

Originally posted by ninjamikec
reply to post by ararisq
 


scare tactics, if they do layoff people then spread the word for people not to buy their product. if i ever hear someone got layed off from a job i would never support their product ever, and i think most americans would do the same


Because they should just keep employees they can't afford and go under? Then you can support their product that they will no longer be able to produce?





If they can't make a product profitably then capitalism demands they compete or someone will out-compete them or are you suggesting socialism? See, the fundemental flaw in this idealogical "the job creators will abandon us" drivel is the false premise that businesses hire on a whim. Businesses do not hire when they are "happy" or when "thier guy" gets elected. They do not hire when they are given "tax breaks"...they save that money. Business 101...you invest, you expand in response to DEMAND. When consumers demand your product, you hire and expand, you invest. If you don't, your competition or start-ups will eat your lunch for you. No CFO looks around and says we have an extra-million in the bank lets make more widgets and see what happens. They say...well no one is buying more widgets - how about executive bonuses? If the widgets are flying off the shelf, they HIRE and if they don't have the money to do so, every bank on the planet will lend it to them. Consumers drive the economy....the consumer class...the MIDDLE CLASS. If tax breaks for the wealthiest equalled jobs then WTF happened over the past 6 years? The bush era tax breaks for the wealthiest have been in effect for a decade...anyone want to discuss the return on that investment in the so-called "Job Creators"? We need to invest in the consumer class. Effen economics 101.
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Invest in the consumer class by increasing their payroll taxes? That is happening as well in 2013. People will have less to spend. When both supplier and consumer get hit with tax increases, what do you think is the outcome, and then who is to blame? When suppliers' profits are reduced due to any reason, they will increase their prices on goods and services to the consumer. If consumer has less to spend, they won't buy. Companies will have to lower their prices, lay-off employees, public-traded companies stocks will fall, consumers investment portfolios will shrink, vicious cycle.

Reduce taxes for all. Foster the environment for businesses to thrive inside the country by reducing all of the overhead costs due to regulations and taxes. Give consumers more money to spend. That will create more demand for goods and services. That will create more jobs. That will increase consumer spending. That will create more demand for goods and services supply. That will create more jobs. That will increase the tax revenue for government. That will reduce the number of consumers that need to be on the teat of the government. That will reduce the need for higher taxes. That is effen economics.

Reduce the size of government should be inserted in that little paragraph of logic. Smaller government = less tax required to collect or less money needed to borrow from the Fed Reserve.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by primus2012

Originally posted by ninjamikec
reply to post by ararisq
 


scare tactics, if they do layoff people then spread the word for people not to buy their product. if i ever hear someone got layed off from a job i would never support their product ever, and i think most americans would do the same


Because they should just keep employees they can't afford and go under? Then you can support their product that they will no longer be able to produce?





If they can't make a product profitably then capitalism demands they compete or someone will out-compete them or are you suggesting socialism? See, the fundemental flaw in this idealogical "the job creators will abandon us" drivel is the false premise that businesses hire on a whim. Businesses do not hire when they are "happy" or when "thier guy" gets elected. They do not hire when they are given "tax breaks"...they save that money. Business 101...you invest, you expand in response to DEMAND. When consumers demand your product, you hire and expand, you invest. If you don't, your competition or start-ups will eat your lunch for you. No CFO looks around and says we have an extra-million in the bank lets make more widgets and see what happens. They say...well no one is buying more widgets - how about executive bonuses? If the widgets are flying off the shelf, they HIRE and if they don't have the money to do so, every bank on the planet will lend it to them. Consumers drive the economy....the consumer class...the MIDDLE CLASS. If tax breaks for the wealthiest equalled jobs then WTF happened over the past 6 years? The bush era tax breaks for the wealthiest have been in effect for a decade...anyone want to discuss the return on that investment in the so-called "Job Creators"? We need to invest in the consumer class. Effen economics 101.
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I think you missed his point. Let me be of assistance.

When you punish a company for laying off workers, then you create even less demand for their goods and services and thus create even more fiscal losses and lack of demand and thus force them to lay off even more workers thus causing the problem that made you mad to get even worse. Econ 101 indeed.



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