reply to post by reficul
Textsorry,i'm not christian,and i do not believe he was 'god' incarnate.
It's all a matter of theology and mostly what one is taught as a child. Not always that way but most generally it works that way. Appreciate your
honesty because lots of people will not publicly voice their opinion one way or the other.
I was raised with a father who rejected almost all religion regardless of what it was but had a mother who was a stout Methodist and very protective
of her belief. My mother ruled the roost in raising ten children and almost all ten grew into their own beliefs. So it really isn't set in stone by
My understanding of God differs from almost all people that I have talked to so I am probably wrong from the very beginning. As I grew into my middle
age, I studied some under a Christian Jew Rabbi and adopted much of his teachings.
In our beginning (this world) there was a Creator who was and is of a celestial substance. We call this substance spirit. This world is not of the
same substance as the celestial world. We call this world terrestrial. It is taught that the Creator made a void within Himself and this void is
called the universe. All of the substance of the universe is the same with variations of patterns. All terrestrial life forms are made from the
terrestrial substances and have a limited existence. After that limit of existence is reached, the life forms return to the elements from which they
were made. This law applies to the entire universe.
Spirit is invisible to the terrestrial and celestial creation both. The celestial creation was created before the terrestrial creation. Our modern
science teaches us that the universe (terrestrial substance) is expanding. The substance that it is expanding into is the celestial substance.
The Creator (Spirit) was invisible to His creation until He brought forth, from within Himself, a visibility to show Himself to the celestial world.
This visibility was and is called "The Word." Moses called "The Word" the image of God and he called the Spirit the likeness of God. This is why
Moses wrote that God said "let us make man in our image after our likeness." So in effect the human creation was created in two parts. Part one is
the image of the creator which is His Word which is of the terrestrial substance. Part two is His likeness which is a portion of His Spirit which is
celestial substance. The image will return to its source and the likeness will return to its source after its allocated time of existence in the
pattern of which it is created.
Now how does this explain Jesus? The Word exists in the celestial world as the visibility of God but He did not exist as the terrestrial Jesus and He
does not exist now as the terrestrial Jesus. After He brought Himself forth into His own terrestrial creation was he called Jesus by the English
speaking world. As He was Jesus He was not the Creator or God. This is explained by the Apostle John after Jesus died -- "John 20:17 Jesus saith
unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;
and to my God, and your God."
As He existed in the terrestrial world He was a mortal man in the image of flesh and blood and bone. That image perished back into its original
substance never to be known again. The spirit or likeness is what survived and returned to its original source. As the Christ shall return to this
earth, He will not be known as Jesus, He will be known as "The Word" -- "Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his
name is called The Word of God."
As I die I hope that my consciousness will be in the celestial world with a new celestial image. That is my hope
but no guarantee. This is called resurrection. But resurrection does not apply to the spiritual likeness because it has always existed even as we
are now. Resurrection only applies to the celestial image. This is explained in 1Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a
spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."
There are volumes of additional information available for any one who should want to get involved but most do not want to get involved with this type
of theology because of various reasons. Will leave it at that.