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Israeli settlers have been slowly nibbling away at Palestine's West Bank territory for four decades.
300,000 settlers now occupy outposts that range in size from plywood shacks to full-blown suburban housing complexes. Their abundance has grounded the much-ballyhooed two-state solution to a halt.
Correspondent Simon Ostrovsky travels from Tel Aviv to the remote West Bank outposts where young Israelis squat for the sake of their heritage.
But first, Simon pops in for some quick counter-terrorism training with a member of Israel's Special Forces, just in case.
Israeli settlers justify their expansion into the West Bank by digging up ancient artifacts that supposedly prove that they've occupied that patch of land for longer than the Palestinians.
The twist is that the settlers have the Palestinians do the actual digging under the "supervision" of the Israeli army.
Simon stumbles upon one of these infamous archaeological digs and finds that the Israelis are less than eager for their operation to be caught on camera.
Meet Simcha and Yosef, a pair of teenage settlers at the Havat Gilad outpost in the West Bank doing what Israeli settlers do best: building and re-building houses without a permit.
Simon gets mixed up in the West Bank Land Day protests, where Palestinians annually clash with the Israeli army.
I'm rather disgusted however with the comparisons between the gun wielding settlers - who carry guns for self defense - with the terrorists in Gaza who indoctrinate their children into the most irrational and virulent anti-semitic propaganda.
Originally posted by dontreally
Ok, first of all, Judea and Samaria, aka west bank, is of course an ancient Jewish area. It's a fact of history. No single area of Palestine is more historically Jewish than Judea, i.e. the eastern Jerusalem area and it's suburbs.
That's a basic fact of archeology. Pretty much indisputable.
Out of curiosity, If what's left of the Native American tribes in America began taking their land back; how would you feel?
Do they use force? Are they nice? I wouldn't be surprised. They have a lot of anger for the Arabs. In their minds, Palestinians are a made-up idea. They are Arabs. And Arabs control 98% of the middle East/North Africa.
Doesn't matter how much land is controlled by Arabs in the middle east.
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by eNumbra
The premise you work from is myopic and limited in scope.
Hardly, your argument that Arabs have 22 states and your dismissal of how the Jewish settlers are obtaining some land is little different that the notion that Americans have 50 states after long ago kicking the natives off what they first occupied.
Regardless of that fact, Israel was set up(legally or no) with borders and they have been expanding ever since.
We don't live in the 1600's any more. This isn't the colonial era. If you're going to invade occupied lands, you can't get all uppity when the current residents get angry; and whatever claim you may have had in the past, regardless of source or age of the claim was made null and void when the world began to find it uncouth to invade one another. With the one obvious exception of trying to force a Jewish state into an area where everyone should have known it wouldn't go over well.
Originally posted by dontreally
Ah, so the old and long standing double standard. Jews should be expected to be civil and not 'invade' other countries. But Arabs can be excused for their incivility in not accepting the presence of a Jewish state in their historical and spiritual homeland.
And you wonder why we have a conflict.
As mentioned before, when two peoples live in the same general region, a solution must be found to accommodate both peoples.
This was done with India; the Hindus were given India, while the Muslims were given Pakistan.
You seem to be suggesting that all peoples living under Arabs have no choice but to live under Arabs. That they aren't entitled to the same measures which the UN took in creating Muslim Pakistan.
Hindus were "given" India? Ummm.... the Hindus have always had that geographical region we know as India for thousands of years. India has always been the land of hindu culture.
Unless you are 100% ok with the UN carving out a muslim state in your hometown.... don't argue for a jewish state in a muslim neighbourhood.
So if your argument is gonna rest on an attack on the 'supposed' Jewish historicity of Judea, you are on very unstable ground.
Also known by those names by people who are living in some hypothetical world long dead if it ever existed in the first place.
. . . Judea and Samaria, aka west bank . . .