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reply posted on 6-11-2012 @ 02:34 AM by TKDRL
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I think no matter who wins, a lot of annoyed and angry GOP will be jumping ship, and a chunk of them will end up libertarian. I am also hoping that a bunch will be jumping ship from the democrats, although they are probably more likely to end up in the green party, rather than libertarian.
edit on Tue, 06 Nov 2012 02:34:50 -0600 by TKDRL because: # =/= ship, freudian slip maybe lmao



reply posted on 6-11-2012 @ 02:34 AM by MrWendal
Originally posted by ThinkingCap
So if the Libertarian (or any third party) gains 5% of the vote, they are awarded with a sum of an alleged 90 million dollars?

This is a rumor I have been hearing. To me, it sounds like a giant pay off.

Edit to add: If this true, where does this sum of money come from?

edit on 5-11-2012 by ThinkingCap because: (no reason given)


This money comes from the Federal Election Campaign Fund. I have posted about this a few times over the last month in different threads. You can read all about it here from the horse's mouth.

The Presidential nominee of each major party may become eligible for a public grant of $20,000,000 plus COLA (over 1974). For 2012, the grant is approximately $91,241,400 for each major party nominee. With the exception of the 2008 Democratic presidential nominee, Barack Obama, every major party nominee has accepted the general election grant since the program's inception in 1976. Candidates themselves may not raise any other funds to be used for campaigning during the general election period.

Public grants of $18,248,300 went to each of the major parties for their conventions in 2012.

Since no third party candidate received 5% of the vote in 2008, only the Republican and Democratic parties are eligible for 2012 convention grants, and only their nominees may receive grants for the general election when they are nominated. Third-party candidates could qualify for retroactive public funds if they receive 5% or more of the vote in the general election.


Source

The reason why this is such a big deal for third party Candidates is because they usually spend a majority of any money raised on simply getting on the ballot which leaves very little to actually campaign with. This is why you do not see TV ads left and right for Third Party Candidates. Receiving money from this grant would actually level the playing field considerably. It would make a third party candidate VERY tough to simply ignore.
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reply posted on 6-11-2012 @ 03:15 AM by longlostbrother
reply to post by TheOneElectric



Far from likely Gary will get 5%.

But the GOP is still a dead-end party.


reply posted on 6-11-2012 @ 07:03 AM by King Seesar
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To be honest when i saw your thread as a hot topic thread on the front page my thinking was ok this guy is a Democrat which is fine but i thought you would go to the extreme with venom and then become a socialistic liberal progressive non JFK Democrat which is not fine, but your post went places i never expected because after my perceived thinking that your were going to just spew rhetoric, which i can say after reading it i was 100 percent wrong you went a way with your thread i never thought you would.

I was expecting some Libertarian bashing and then maybe you go the other way of a hard line neo con fascists non Ron Paul Republican complaining which to my delight you didn't, you made 100 percent sense and i agree with everything you said, i just got back from voting and i did vote for Gary Johnson and i have been crying all along that we need a legit 3rd party to challenge the big two because we need more options and if your assumption is right we will get that, so God bless you and your message...



reply posted on 6-11-2012 @ 07:12 AM by NoJoker13
reply to post by TheOneElectric



Very well put together Electric, Johnson is a name I'm heard of but not necessarily familiar with. Thanks for adding another topic to my research portfolio... you bastard!


reply posted on 6-11-2012 @ 09:56 AM by antonia
Well, I'll go a bit further here. I don't think it has much to do with GJ at all. The GOP will die a long, slow death much like Whigs did before them. Why? It's the Demographics. Whites are becoming a minority and most non-whites don't feel the GOP represents their interests.

www.bostonglobe.com...



If demographics is destiny, the Republican Party has a rendezvous with irrelevance — unless its policies change. This is the message some Republican leaders have been sending in the closing weeks of the presidential campaign. “The demographics race we’re losing badly,” Senator Lindsey Graham recently told the Washington Post with characteristic bluntness. “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

The numbers tell the tale. Minorities have accounted for 85 percent of the country’s population growth over the past decade, according to the US Census Bureau. A record 24 million Hispanics will be eligible to vote in the 2012 presidential election, up 22 percent since 2008. Meanwhile, nearly 87 percent of registered Republican voters are white. And whites have declined as a portion of the electorate in every presidential election since 1992.


The GOP doubles down every time it loses and this would be no different. They will move further to right. The Democrats only seem "leftist" in comparison to them. They have pushed out ever last visage of the old Rockefeller style Republican. The only place this dog is going to hunt is the deep south which has become solidly Republican. The rest of the states will become a serious problem in the next few years. Arizona will actually become a battleground state soon. Many of the house races are actually closer than they should be. The GOP's downfall began decades before this when they began to pander to southern racists after LBJ pushed them out of the party.

As for what the new party will be, I think it's too early to tell. The GOP will hang on for at least another decade but with increasing irrelevance as the population changes. The question is if the new "Right" will be the pretty much centrist Democratic party with an actual leftists party as the challenge or will the American tendency to conservatism produce a new right wing party?
edit on 6-11-2012 by antonia because: opps



reply posted on 6-11-2012 @ 09:59 AM by Jobeycool
Originally posted by antonia
Well, I'll go a bit further here. I don't think it has much to do with GJ at all. The GOP will die a long, slow death much like Whigs did before them. Why? It's the Demographics. Whites are becoming a minority and most non-whites don't feel the GOP represents their interests.

www.bostonglobe.com...



If demographics is destiny, the Republican Party has a rendezvous with irrelevance — unless its policies change. This is the message some Republican leaders have been sending in the closing weeks of the presidential campaign. “The demographics race we’re losing badly,” Senator Lindsey Graham recently told the Washington Post with characteristic bluntness. “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.”

The numbers tell the tale. Minorities have accounted for 85 percent of the country’s population growth over the past decade, according to the US Census Bureau. A record 24 million Hispanics will be eligible to vote in the 2012 presidential election, up 22 percent since 2008. Meanwhile, nearly 87 percent of registered Republican voters are white. And whites have declined as a portion of the electorate in every presidential election since 1992.


The GOP doubles down every time it loses and this would be no different. They will move further to right. The Democrats only seem "leftist" in comparison to them. They have pushed out ever last visage of the old Rockefeller style Republican. The only place this dog is going to hunt is the deep south which has become solidly Republican. The rest of the states will become a serious problem in the next few years. Arizona will actually become a battleground state soon. Many of the house races are actually closer than they should be. The GOP's downfall began decades before this when they began to pander to southern racists after LBJ pushed them out of the party.

As for what the new party will be, I think it's too early to tell. The GOP will hang on for at least another decade but with increasing irrelevance as the population changes. The question is if the new "Right" will be the pretty much centrist Democratic party with an actual leftists party as the challenge or will the American tendency to conservatism produce a new right wing party?
edit on 6-11-2012 by antonia because: opps
Which is exactly why this has become a very dangerous country.Wrecked the constituion powers.Ron Paul only warns about it every single time He speaks.
edit on 6-11-2012 by Jobeycool because: (no reason given)

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