Why Do People Believe It Is Their 'Right' To Have Children?, page 2


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reply posted on 1-11-2012 @ 01:02 PM by notquiteright
reply to post by GaiusMarius



Who are you, or who are they, to decide who can have children and who cannot? What kind of a world is it that you want to live in? I find your views and mindset to be very disturbing. I want a much, much smaller government. It sounds as if you want a totalitarian, heavy handed machine controlling our every move. You would have them strip our humanity away. We have a right to have children because we are humans, not because we are granted the right to exist by some king or leader.


reply posted on 1-11-2012 @ 01:02 PM by nerbot
reply to post by GaiusMarius



There should be an in depth written test to allow pregnancy and an understanding of the consequenses of a quick bit of 'jiggy' and a contract to confirm all financial obligation until adulthood BY BOTH consenting parents 50/50. If either conditions are not met, don't do it or be prepared to make sacrafices.

I'm fed up paying taxes for other peoples kids, single parents and meeting darn horrible ankle biters and adolescents who's best friend is a mobile phone!

Sadly, I think the human race is destined to keep squeezing them out at a rediculous and selfish rate.

This is about a current lack of common sense and responibility for the world by individuals who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves and think they can eliminate their insecurities by making 'mini-me's'.



reply posted on 1-11-2012 @ 01:11 PM by Doodle19815
reply to post by GaiusMarius



Slave, I guess you can call it what you want.

Let me tell you a story -

I was working at a popular lotion retail store one day. A women came in with her son (probably about 4) who cried the whole time because he was hungry. I politely helped her and gave the boy some stickers to keep him busy. After she picked up about about $50 worth of lotion she came up to the checkout only to have her card declined.

I listened in amazement as she called the 800# on the back of the card to find out why her CHILD SUPPORT payment hadn't processed yet. She handed the phone over to me and they gave me a code to process it through, whatever.

As she carried her bags out her son complained he was hungry again and she smacked him on his cheek and told him to wait until they got home because she didn't have the money to spending on him eating out. Of course she didn't because she had just spent HIS CHILD SUPPORT on lotion for herself.

And yet, I still believe people should get to reproduce? Yep I do. However, it doesn't make me less sick when I see something like that happen. People should be allowed to make their own decisions when it comes to their life. As long as they are capable to make the decisions with a sound mind.

I would guess that most of the people who have been inventors, geniuses, lawmakers, etc. have come from middle class. Where would we be without them?


reply posted on 1-11-2012 @ 01:24 PM by cavalryscout
reply to post by Hefficide





Let some stupid politician try to tell me different? I'll knock up HIS wife.




Wow. Have you seen some of those women? I guess but you may wanna tie a rope around your waist so you don't fall in.


reply posted on 1-11-2012 @ 01:43 PM by GaiusMarius
reply to post by notquiteright


I want a world where every child has the same chances to succeed.

I am not sentimental about human life and I also am not against abortion.

I think society should have more direction and not rely on growth and consumer confidence.

I like that children in Cuba all get the same chances in life as much as possible.

I want everyone to have the same standard of education and access to healthcare.

I want to do away with the class system because I dont like that the poor and middleclass are disadvantaged.

Under capitalism I believe that only the upperclass people should have the right to breed. I dont see why middleclass and the poor want children if their children cant have the very best of everything.

edit- if all cant have the very best then to me the world is a horrible place. If it is not feesable to offer the very best to all then the very best is not yet feesable in my opinion. I dont like seeing starving Africans on tv. I have seen them all my life.


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reply posted on 1-11-2012 @ 02:01 PM by GaiusMarius
Originally posted by Doodle19815
reply to
post by GaiusMarius



Slave, I guess you can call it what you want.

Let me tell you a story -

I was working at a popular lotion retail store one day. A women came in with her son (probably about 4) who cried the whole time because he was hungry. I politely helped her and gave the boy some stickers to keep him busy. After she picked up about about $50 worth of lotion she came up to the checkout only to have her card declined.

I listened in amazement as she called the 800# on the back of the card to find out why her CHILD SUPPORT payment hadn't processed yet. She handed the phone over to me and they gave me a code to process it through, whatever.

As she carried her bags out her son complained he was hungry again and she smacked him on his cheek and told him to wait until they got home because she didn't have the money to spending on him eating out. Of course she didn't because she had just spent HIS CHILD SUPPORT on lotion for herself.

And yet, I still believe people should get to reproduce? Yep I do. However, it doesn't make me less sick when I see something like that happen. People should be allowed to make their own decisions when it comes to their life. As long as they are capable to make the decisions with a sound mind.

I would guess that most of the people who have been inventors, geniuses, lawmakers, etc. have come from middle class. Where would we be without them?


I agree. Many of the best come from the middleclass. I think we would get more if the poor and middleclass had the same level of education. Over just one generation we would see less poor parenting.

I am am working class. My family is. I dontthink socio economic status determines ability, but I do think it determines your level of opportunity.


reply posted on 1-11-2012 @ 02:24 PM by GaiusMarius
reply to post by DarknStormy



I agree with what you are saying but I also think there are many tough members of the upper class. Many great Generals come from the upperclass.

I dont think we are so different at the end of the day really. I think access to the same standard of education and healthcare would make us less different. It would also ensure that nobody has an excuse.

And bringing that back to population, I think we should be able to work out how many people is ideal for each nation to have and design budgets around that. I think the right to quality education and healthcare is more important than someones right to breed.

I dont think socialism is the only way to provide all with access to quality education and healthcare. Like you said, if people that cared were in charge then equality would not seem impossible.

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reply posted on 1-11-2012 @ 02:52 PM by EnochWasRight
reply to post by GaiusMarius



From a purely materialistic point of view, we die and that's the end. If life is viewed from the standpoint of what physics and reality suggest about our nature, we return. The Bible calls it baptism (Immersion of the soul) into reality. Jesus said, "you must be born again." The process of baptism is built around the family we are connected to in this stream of life. No matter which side of this view you are on, the answer to your question will be the same.

If it's a materialistic view, then the life you leave behind is the evidence you were here. That evidence can then speak to future generations as a reflection of who you were in life. Everyone has the right to speak this reflection and those who follow always have the choice to change the image. Nothing in life is easy. Death is only the end of those who produce no fruit.

If your view is spiritual in nature, then you will be born again. Those who you bring into the world will then raise you later. The effort you give now generates the efforts and quality of life for you later. The entire point of baptism is to rise to new life. Knowing this, I raise my family with all my strength.

1 Timothy 2

13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Why would the woman's salvation depend on how she raises her children? For the man, our salvation comes from protecting the opening of the tent where the family resides. We are the OX.

Alef Bet and the Nature and the Story Language Tells

The truth is literally woven into the letters of the Hebrew language.
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