Third and Final Presidential Debate Thread.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer

Did Romney take geography lessons from Sarah Palin?

Hello??!!

Wasn't he talking about access to Israel at the time?

Edit to add: I couldn't help but laugh out loud last night after imagining every Obama supporter on here having a hissy fit over Obama mentioning that Iran had threatened to wipe Israel off of the map!!! LOL!!

Originally posted by campanionator

And I think if we continue the scenario, Romney supporters are like the below average or possibly
Retarded child.I agree with that assessment

Ohhhhhhh so you have a similar style as Anne Coulter ?
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She drew backlash immediately.

Dont'cha luv dat smile?

I believe this video somes up the whole 2012 Election, this covers both romney and obama.

Heres the truth

reply to post by justinsweatt

Everyone in America, including the oligarchs and the Presidential candidates, whether they know it or not, whether they like it or not, and many do like it, are operating in a fascist/corporatist state.

Corporations set the American agenda and corporations like viruses and bacterial entities know only one law, GROWTH.

For historical reasons America has put a lot of its industrial capital into the Military Industrial Complex. The corporate entities that participate in the Military Industrial Complex are as driven to growth as any other corporate entity. It is the law of their existence. They have no more control over it than the mold growing on your cottage cheese in the fridge.

This has political consequences.

Politically, America must accomodate the natural tendancy to growth of these corporations, or that growth must be curbed, politically. In fact, if the choice is to curb it, that can only be done politically. The mechanisms to control growth do not exist within the corporate dynamic itself.

America has chosen instead to continue to allow the unrestrained growth of corporations in the Military Industrial Complex. This has profound political consequences.

Allowing these corporations to grow is not the same as allowing the unrestrained growth of the Coca Cola Corporation. Coca Cola can cover the world, but the companies that make the American tanks, warplanes and warships cannot cover the world without World War.

We have not had that war as yet, but these companies have continued to grow to the point where, like an ingrown toenail, they are turning back upon their own root, American society, and pushing, unconsciously, through this built in mechanism of corporate growth, toward a classical fascist security state.

This paradigm, of the appearance of the classical fascist security state in America, was completely predictable, and in fact was virtually predicted by President Eisenhower when he left office in 1961.



That is why you have the America you have today. The Military Industrial Complex has taken over and subverted the checks and balances built into the American Republic. It is like the computer HAL in the movie 2001 taking over the spaceship. It is a very deterministic, logical process.

It can only be stopped politically.

Originally posted by MaurinQuina
Obama, should be grimacing every time he says responsibility...

hence a 16 trillion dollar debt....

broken promises...

and about 30 mins of bullcrap, laced with lies for the flies to eat..

His most major broken promise was:

"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank".

That was the only reason I voted for him. Gave him the benefit of the doubt, knowing McCain would never bring them home. Epic let down.

It's a shame that some of you feel compelled to denigrate your fellow Americans and even ATS members by resorting to petty name calling and personal attacks. It's amazing that both candidates talk about wanting to unite people and bring about peace and yet their supporters display some of the nastiest qualities imaginable. This is why so many have lost all faith in our ability as a nation to ever achieve any real and lasting peace. We are tearing ourselves apart from within.
All our enemies have to do is to sit back and watch us destroy ourselves.
A few here have attempted to have a civil discussion but far too many are so steeped in party loyalty that they perceive their fellow Americans who support the other side as their enemies.
What a sad state of affairs.

Speaking very broadly, a vote for Romney is a vote in favor of the Military Industrial Complex. It is a vote to continue to allow the growth of the influence of that sector of the American economy on the political realities of life in America. It is a vote for a continuing belligerant foreign policy and a growth of the security state at home.

A vote for Obama, is not a vote to beat tanks into plowshares but it is a vote to curb the growth of the Military Industrial Complex and to direct some of the funds that usually go to those industries, to other purposes. Obama is certainly not going to turn America around on a dime and change its posture in the world, but he is going to take his foot off the accelerator to war. He has been doing so.

America is facing very dangerous times politically. A lot of big paychecks are signed by the Military Industrial Complex. Both Romney and Obama know that. They have different responses to that situation.

If I were an American I would vote Obama. He may be a puppet but he seems to be the puppet of a faction of the American oligarchy that has a more deliberate, restrained approach to the future and that seems to be willing to bell the cat of military spending.

Much much more needs to be done along those lines in my opinion, but for now, Obama is the person in position to at least nudge America where it needs to be nudged.

Originally posted by Sparky63
It's a shame that some of you feel compelled to denigrate your fellow Americans and even ATS members by resorting to petty name calling and personal attacks. It's amazing that both candidates talk about wanting to unite people and bring about peace and yet their supporters display some of the nastiest qualities imaginable. This is why so many have lost all faith in our ability as a nation to ever achieve any real and lasting peace. We are tearing ourselves apart from within.
All our enemies have to do is to sit back and watch us destroy ourselves.
A few here have attempted to have a civil discussion but far too many are so steeped in party loyalty that they perceive their fellow Americans who support the other side as their enemies.
What a sad state of affairs.

So unbelievably true. Most of the posts in this topic are basically:

*condescending statement coupled with name-calling and possible injection of sarcasm* then emoticon.

I'm tired of all this snide pretentious whiny bull# that is so prevalent in today's culture, especially among the younger crowd.

reply to post by HumanitiesLastHope


I've already taken advantage of early voting in Texas. Now I just have to sit and wait and see if I picked the right one. But I have to admit, this video was funny as hell! Thanks for the laughs!

Originally posted by LiberLegit

Originally posted by Sparky63
It's a shame that some of you feel compelled to denigrate your fellow Americans and even ATS members by resorting to petty name calling and personal attacks. It's amazing that both candidates talk about wanting to unite people and bring about peace and yet their supporters display some of the nastiest qualities imaginable. This is why so many have lost all faith in our ability as a nation to ever achieve any real and lasting peace. We are tearing ourselves apart from within.
All our enemies have to do is to sit back and watch us destroy ourselves.
A few here have attempted to have a civil discussion but far too many are so steeped in party loyalty that they perceive their fellow Americans who support the other side as their enemies.
What a sad state of affairs.

So unbelievably true. Most of the posts in this topic are basically:

*condescending statement coupled with name-calling and possible injection of sarcasm* then

emoticon.

I'm tired of all this snide pretentious whiny bull# that is so prevalent in today's culture, especially among the younger crowd.

You are tired of name-calling like "snide pretentious whiny bull#" and condescending statements like "younger crowd"?

I see.

How are you any different?

Who cares? I am more interested in the debate tomorrow between the green, libertarian, justice candidates for president and vice president. I think the democrat and republican candidates were invited but will not show up.

Even worse the american mainstream media will boycott the event out of fear, but thankfully other major networks will pick up the slack and televise. It will also be available on the internet. I hope gary johnson loses and jill stein wins, since greens are closer to my ideology.

Watching obama and romney debate is a belligerant disgrace, and testimony to what gross ignorance on the part of the public will do to american politics.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by spinalremain
Reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

Are you serious?

You find that interesting?

You honestly think the average child of 4 or 5 even knows who Mitt Romney is? Come on.

 

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No I don't think the average child knows who to support, the point of my post was Obama supporters are like the average child,

From someone who thinks everything is about Socialism and Communism.

All three debates summed up?

Isn't this the typical picture you get in your mind when you see romney campaigning?

I'm just gonna tell you something guys/girls.

Many Europeans families emigrated to USA and are successful here. There is a reason they came to USA and left their countries when they could, it was Socialism/Communism.

Do not let Socialism take over America.

Originally posted by promenion
Many Europeans families emigrated to USA and are successful here. There is a reason they came to USA and left their countries when they could, it was Socialism/Communism.

I know a whole bunch of people like this and this is simply false. Never mind that there hasn't been any Communism in Europe for more than two decades. Just ridiculous, really.

Originally posted by Sparky63

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Sparky63
I think most of you are missing the point Romney was trying to make. We are no longer capable of fighting 2 major wars.

a) if Romney did try to make THIS point, he failed miserably. IMHO the only point he was trying to make was to present Obama as weak, and to do this he had to resort to that idiocy regarding the number of Navy ships back in 1916, which resulted, pardon the Navy term, in a raking broadside from Obama.

b) I'm not even sure that we aren't capable to fight to major wars. You may count Iraq and Afghanistan as minor, but of course some people may decide that you belittle our military and the sacrifice made.

I frankly won't believe for a second that the nation is seriously engaged in a war when people care about things like iPhone 5 or minute detail of M.Jackson's demise. We haven't even started trying to fight in earnest until what we see on TV is news from the front lines and not Jay-Z.

Sorry I can't just take your argument when I look around.

It is not my argument. I was just pointing out what Romney was claiming. Everyone wants to focus on Obama's witty reply, and it was a good one, but no one, including Obama addressed Romney's point about the ability to fight 2 wars. I do think that Romney brought up an important issue, too bad is wasn't addressed maturely.

Romney never mentioned a thing about two wars. You've invented this argument for your own justification. The U.S. has an overkill of something like 50-100, meaning they have enough military power to wipe out the entire world 100 times over. You're deluded if you think that cuts are going to somehow negatively impact America's national security. The problem isn't not enough Navy ships, the problem is their broke. Military cuts are long, long over due, it's simply unsustainable, the continued spending and ballooning of the National debt is America's number one national security threat, nothing else.

Wake up.

Originally posted by macaronicaesar

Romney never mentioned a thing about two wars. You've invented this argument for your own justification. The U.S. has an overkill of something like 50-100, meaning they have enough military power to wipe out the entire world 100 times over. You're deluded if you think that cuts are going to somehow negatively impact America's national security. The problem isn't not enough Navy ships, the problem is their broke. Military cuts are long, long over due, it's simply unsustainable, the continued spending and ballooning of the National debt is America's number one national security threat, nothing else.

Wake up.

edit on 23-10-2012 by macaronicaesar because: (no reason given)

You are mistaken my friend. Romney clearly mentioned it. Please refresh your memory by going here and jumping to 41:06


With regard to our ships here are some facts:

The US Navy has 53 submarines. The Chinese Navy has 63.
The US Navy has 62 destroyers. The Chinese Navy has 25.
The US Navy has 24 frigates. The Chinese Navy has 47.
The US Navy has 13 aircraft carriers. The Chinese Navy has 1.
The US Navy has has a total of 285 active vessels. The Chinese Navy has a total of 515 combat vessels and 138 major combat vessels, though this includes some ships and forces that would be classified as part of the Coast Guard in the US.
And the Chinese Navy is being expanded with all that money that Obama is borrowing to pay off his campaign donors.


Now add to that another 30 Iranian submarines, 2 destroyers and 6 frigates, and the US Navy’s resources becomes strained if it has to deal with two conflicts at the same time, while maintaining anti-piracy operations as well.

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reply to post by Sparky63


I personally believe the war will be a big cyber war. Our enemies will know that by hacking our network they can shut down, or use our drones against us. Plus the countess other things they could do. Everything is controlled by computers.

-SAP-

Originally posted by SloAnPainful
reply to post by Sparky63

 

I personally believe the war will be a big cyber war. Our enemies will know that by hacking our network they can shut down, or use our drones against us. Plus the countess other things they could do. Everything is controlled by computers.

-SAP-

You are probably right. We are constantly hearing now about the incredible damage an EMP burst will cause. It will wipe out computers and servers, basically bringing commerce to a standstill.