Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by LeSigh
If Jesus was God, show the scriptures that say that God can die.
If Jesus was God, how could he sacrifice himself to himself?
How can he have accepted his own ransom to himself?
There could not be a loss or gain and therefore no sacrifice to cover sin.
You do not understand who and what the Son of God is. He is the physical personification and incarnation of God and before he came as a man he had
another form, the form of Yahweh the Almighty. The Father is all Spirit, the Son is his physical self manifested, but where as the Son could be killed
in the form of corrupted man, the Father cannot die. The Son is the extension of the Father. The Father cannot be seen by men, only the Son.
Jesus comes right out and says this in John 5:31-47.
31 “If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. 32 There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses
of Me is true. 33 You have sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth. 34 Yet I do not receive testimony from man, but I say these things
that you may be saved. 35 He was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light. 36 But I have a greater
witness than John’s; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish—the very works that I do—bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent
Me. 37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
38 But you do
not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. 39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have
eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. 40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
[verse 37 Jesus is saying, none of Israel had ever seen the Father nor heard his voice at any time, in verse 40 he is saying the scriptures, which at
the time he spoke this only the Torah and Tenach existed, are speaking about him the Savior, who is God himself, this also means that the one who
stood on Mt. Sinai with Moses and put him in the cleft and showed him his back was the Son of God.]
41 “I do not receive honor from men. 42 But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you. 43 I have come in My Father’s name, and you
do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. 44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek
the honor that comes from the only God? 45 Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you
trust. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.
47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you
believe My words?”
[Verse 46 Jesus is saying Moses wrote about him. Moses wrote the Torah, and he only wrote about the Savior, who is God]
6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
7 And who can proclaim as I do?
Then let him declare it and set it in order for Me,
Since I appointed the ancient people.
And the things that are coming and shall come,
Let them show these to them.
8 Do not fear, nor be afraid;
Have I not told you from that time, and declared it?
You are My witnesses.
Is there a God besides Me?
Indeed there is no other Rock;
I know not one.’”
24 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,
And He who formed you from the womb:
“I am the Lord, who makes all things,
Who stretches out the heavens all alone,
Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;
25 Who frustrates the signs of the babblers,
And drives diviners mad;
Who turns wise men backward,
And makes their knowledge foolishness;
Here Isaiah tells you who the Lord (Yeshua/Jesus) is. So yes, he did sacrifice himself. He sacrificed his human self and reclaimed his Godhood as the
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