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Originally posted by Andcoulter
I asked all my Canadian friends and none of them want to ever be stuck in the US as a US citizen with health issues. They know they can be taken care of in Canada and for some reason like being able to be taken care of.
What would you think they might say? How many have you asked?
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Well I can tell that those who can afford better come to America instead of waiting on a long list to get the critical care they need.... Ya the small health issues they can see a doctor and get meds etc to fix it, but bigger critical health care and you get in line. The 200 plus million Americans that have good healthcare right now, Obama is destroying that...as example my company who offers great health care will be force economically to push us all into Obama care.
A big part is Obamacare will not fix the COST of healthcare in America, and that is the issue. I just don't see the need to effect ALL Americans to help 15%. Why not just help the 15%? And the way they did it...really?
What I'm saying is there are much better ways to fix healthcare than Obamacare, and Obamacare's true agenda is different than just healthcare.
Originally posted by smurfy
Can I ask, since you are seemingly out of the system, how much do you pay a month for health care insurance. Is there a premium cover, as in like gold and silver or all just basic?
How much do you pay for the much needed drugs themselves..if needed?
"We have cities bigger than many of these countries you suggest are doing it right." that old, but reworked Americanism has still not died out yet then? although you used it in the wrong way here. The more the people, the more cheaper it should become in relative terms. Crappy healthcare is not a general application, it usually means someone is not doing their job, and/or not using the technology and resources properly.edit on 6-10-2012 by smurfy because: Text.
Originally posted by smurfy
Crappy healthcare is not a general application, it usually means someone is not doing their job, and/or not using the technology and resources properly.
Originally posted by Andcoulter
Oh well that has nothing to do with your lie about Canada and all the other nations on that neat little list that has been supplied you. Maybe you have a point there but I do not see what it has to do with you lying about Canadians flocking to America for better care.
Originally posted by Hefficide
Fix all of the above things and we might find ourselves in a world where repealing universal coverage might end up being the humane and rational option. Currently the opposite is true. Get Wall Street out of the doctors office and medicine will become fairly priced.
~Heff
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Well since we are both American let's get some Canadians in on this that are here on ATS. I live near Canada... Canadians come to America...
If you have a critical health issue you can get it done quicker in the States...
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by smurfy
Crappy healthcare is not a general application, it usually means someone is not doing their job, and/or not using the technology and resources properly.
Crappy healthcare happens when there is no competition to force people to do better... You ever hear about bad VA hospitals/ i.e. horse doctors... no competition...
Originally posted by Andcoulter
I have never had a choice in my insurer. If there is a cheaper doctor out there doing what my doctor does, you need to find him for me. If there is a cheaper hospital than the one I go to, you need to find it for me.
I wonder if they are so incompatible. What comes to mind is the bully who likes terrorizing people, but when he's faced up to, runs away after a couple of punches.
Wait, I thought Obama was a warmonger? Now he's a pushover? Make up your minds already, you can't claim he's both a pushover and a warmonger, those are mutually exclusive.
Originally posted by Alxandro
Now that Debate #1 is on the books, it should now be apparent that Obama has got to go!
Hear me out.
Sure his supporters will come to his defense by blaming Lehrer, the Denver air and now they are blaming the debate commission for not letting Obama use his teleprompter.
Can you believe this?
The fact remains, the only one to blame is Obama himself because he took it too lightly.
As Dennis Miller put it, "Obama got owned, refinanced, and owned again."
Certainly the worst debate performance by any incumbent President, ever!
But this should not be a joking matter because effectively, HE LET HIS GUARD DOWN AND THE ENTIRE WORLD WAS WATCHING.
I'm sure many will refuse to see it, but we are beginning to see a dangerous pattern here.
Ex. Obama is light on security, he failed to protect our military in Benghazi just as he was ill prepared for the Romney assault.
Now take a look at what the rest of the world is saying about Obama now.
I'll be honest, I watched this and I was pissed because Obama is now a laughing stock.
Do we really need this now?
Our enemies are salivating at the mouth, just waiting for him to get re-elected.
How can he be taken seriously by any world leader after that disastrous performance?
edit on 6-10-2012 by Alxandro because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Wait, I thought Obama was a warmonger? Now he's a pushover? Make up your minds already, you can't claim he's both a pushover and a warmonger, those are mutually exclusive.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by Andcoulter
I have never had a choice in my insurer. If there is a cheaper doctor out there doing what my doctor does, you need to find him for me. If there is a cheaper hospital than the one I go to, you need to find it for me.
That is my point and you can't wait for Obamacare...lol
We are off topic...this would be a good one in four years to pick back up on. I on one hand will have great healthcare no matter what, and if yours is great in four years I'll gladly say you all are right and I was wrong, I do hope for that to happen, but I fear it is not what we will see.
Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Wait, I thought Obama was a warmonger? Now he's a pushover? Make up your minds already, you can't claim he's both a pushover and a warmonger, those are mutually exclusive.
Originally posted by SourGrapes
reply to post by Andcoulter
Who pays the bill? When a Canadian goes to the clinic or to the E.R, how is it billed? Or, is it billed? I'm not fishing for an argument, I'm truly interested.
The reason I ask is because of what Obamacare is in relation to other universal healthcare systems. Now, I am American and I do live near the Canadian border (in WI), but I've never been to a Canadian medical facility. I have been to one in Italy and that's another story.
Back to universal healthcare and my reason for asking about who is paying the bill. If Canada is set up to where citizens can receive medical care without third party involvement, then I'd have to say that I wouldn't mind seeing something similar here. However, the way Obamacare works is there is a third party that is paying the bill. Obamacare doesn't make healthcare affordable (funny they call it the affordable care plan), it simply FORCES everyone to pay a third party. THIS is the problem. I can't speak for everyone, but I know that I do not support the bill because I would rather have a universal health care plan in place that covers everyone, no matter their income, nationality, nor their political status. A plan that either sets up government hospitals (like the VA) or a plan that directly pays for their care (like Medicare).
I'd be willing to pay extra federal (or state) taxes to pay for a plan to take care of those who cannot afford insurance or don't have the means to pay for the services. I don't like having the government bringing everyone down to the lowest denominator to provide care for less than 10 percent of the population.
edit on 6-10-2012 by SourGrapes because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by Xtrozero
As a supporter of universal healthcare, I will readily state that we also need tort reform. That will lower the instance of frivolous malpractice claims and help to lower costs.
~Heff