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Originally posted by Miri08
Everyone is wrong, we are all hypocrites and no one knows anything!!! Everyone happy now?
Originally posted by borntowatch
So why endlessly rant, why not move forward.
Why the poor us atheist moaning we hear all the time. Why are you wetting your pants over this?
Originally posted by tylerhowzeright2012
A true so called atheist WOULD NOT JUDGE! THATS GODS PLACE its not humans to judge so these atheist you speak of are inaccurate in the atheist definition, so if their beliefs are not completely accurate(?) we realize the truth by being able to look at all possiblitys as true atheist (nondenimentioanl) and then make their/our decision on something by looking at everything first, which is if thats not how the mojority of these atheist you speak of sound then well.. idk what else to say, other than who your talking about are not true followers of GOD.
Originally posted by RothchildRancor
Why do people give a crap what others believe in?
Why do you have to get so butthurt over someone else's belief system?
Originally posted by borntowatch
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by borntowatch
There has never been a war in the name of "Atheism."
Also, there have always been people who didn't believe in the religions of their culture, but atheism itself is a new position, because in the past if a person were to claim that they didn't believe the emperor is "god on earth" or in the god(s) of the Bible, they were met with a death sentence.
Stalin killed millions,Pol Pot and Mao, they killed religious people and advocated no religion
but whatever you want to believe, thats your choice as I said in the OP
Its your life you are responsible for it, its up to you to make your own decisions, its why you have a brain, don't be lazy and waste this wonderful organ, make your own rules if you want, just try and be good any way that you feel you want to be or be religious, all I ask is that you be the best person you can be, if you have a faith system then that's what it would want you to be, if you have no faith system then its what you should aspire to. Being good isn't a faith..
The problem then is why cant Christians have a standard they choose and apply it to themselves like the atheist do. I get it, many Christians fail, as do atheists, but why are we judged so harshly and atheists are not judged at all. At least we have a standard, yeah we fail at it and we still sin, but we have that standard.
Originally posted by Ironclad
Originally posted by borntowatch
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by borntowatch
There has never been a war in the name of "Atheism."
Also, there have always been people who didn't believe in the religions of their culture, but atheism itself is a new position, because in the past if a person were to claim that they didn't believe the emperor is "god on earth" or in the god(s) of the Bible, they were met with a death sentence.
Stalin killed millions,Pol Pot and Mao, they killed religious people and advocated no religion
but whatever you want to believe, thats your choice as I said in the OP
And the church has killed just as many as these guys during the crusades, the inquisition and many, many other religious clensings.
Without false gods, there is less reason to kill..!!edit on 10/4/2012 by Ironclad because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by StalkerSolent
Hmmm. I prefer to judge hypocrisy on an individual basis; you're painting a pretty broad brush. I think most people are hypocritical at some level or another. But I do think something you have hit on here is valuable. Essentially, atheism does not speak on absolute right and wrong in the way religions do; the only values systems it can impose are created by man, and thus can be remade by man. I don't think this necessarily makes atheists hypocrites. However, in my opinion, it does smack of hypocrisy when some atheists accuse God of immorality, or insist that they are moral people. (Morality not being according to a fixed standard.) Not to conflate atheists with evolutionists, but since most of atheists are evolutionists--as far as I know--I think that, as a group, they ought to begin taking Darwin a bit more seriously and work on a more consistent philosophical basis. Perhaps they have, and I just am unaware, but I often hear of atheists who are animal rights activists, conservationists, etc. etc., and it seems to be a bit inconsistent to me.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Originally posted by MrInquisitive
Originally posted by borntowatch
So why endlessly rant, why not move forward.
Why the poor us atheist moaning we hear all the time. Why are you wetting your pants over this?
I ranted because I responded to your post??? Who's the whiner and ranter? At least I am coherent. Unlike you, I responded directly to what you said and refuted it. All you can do is make ad hominem attacks. And what are you talking about, moving forward? You're the one sticking with a 2000-year-old religion, whose adherents violate its tenets day in and day out. Not I. You're the one who needs to get into the post-Enlightenment era. You're the one that made the original inane post; I'm responding to that, and that's my right. To call my response a rant is mendacious and specious on your part, particularly since you evidently can't refute my arguments.
And what is with the "poor us atheist moaning we hear all the time" line of yours? You're the one doing the complaining and moaning, claiming that it is unfair that atheists call out X-stians on their hypocrisy. I'm just pointing out the fallacy of your arguments; I'm not bemoaning the lot of atheists. Where do you get that?
You have such poor understanding of the issues that you took a post by an atheist attacking X-stians, and switched the terms around, thinking you then had a good argument -- and you admitted doing so in another post in this thread. It doesn't work that way. You need to make a coherent, logical argument. All you are doing is making nonsensical claims and ad hominem attacks -- not that I expect anything better from most X-stians because they are not critical thinkers; rather they are dogmatic and defensive and make irrational arguments like you have done here in this over and over again.
And to answer your post's question; Yes, Christians are WAY BIGGER hypocrites than atheists. To wit: "Thou Shall Not Kill." Yet Christians have been killing since at least when they started getting political power, and I am sure individual X-stians had killed before that. But, hey, OP, want to show that I am groaning and moaning and whining, then show me how Christians are not hypocrites for violating the 10 Commandments, in particular that "Thou Shall Not Kill" one. PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH, CHRISTIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm no X-stian but I have abided by this rule, which isn't only a religious one but a secular as well. So I, as an atheist, find it easier to abide by certain X-stian rules than do many X-stians. WHERE IS YOUR INVISIBLE SKY gOD AND WHERE IS YOUR FAITH AND COMPLIANCE IN ITS MANDATES?
edit on 4-10-2012 by MrInquisitive because: (no reason given)edit on 4-10-2012 by MrInquisitive because: (no reason given)
Get over it the world is diverse but none of it really matters.
PEACE.