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Originally posted by borntowatch
Originally posted by Arsenis
reply to post by Soloro
Atheism is the absence of belief get it right.
Atheism is a belief, its a religion. Its a faith that there is no God.
Agnosticism is not a religion like atheism. It doesnt call for belief in a God or not in a God.
Atheism believe God doesnt exist, thats faith.
Oh the fun I will have.
Originally posted by borntowatch
Originally posted by Samuelis
Yes there are bigger hypocrites than athiest's
Priest's that enjoy kiddy doodles.
Yet their are many atheists who think kiddy doodles are ok as well and push for kiddy marriage. To them thats ok. What right have you to deny them what they see as right
Priests, and I am not a Catholic, should know better. Sex outside of marriage is not acceptable to christians. They condemn themselves.
Originally posted by Klassified
reply to post by borntowatch
I am sure Mao killed more people than all the religions ever did and he was an atheist.
Your argument is childish
So because your religion supposedly has killed less people than an atheist, that makes it ok?
Your argument is childish.
The problem then is why cant Christians have a standard they choose and apply it to themselves like the atheist do. I get it, many Christians fail, as do atheists, but why are we judged so harshly and atheists are not judged at all.
Because Christianity claims to know all truth, and claims the moral high ground above everyone else. Therefore, your judgement will be much harsher than those not living on the mountain top with you.
edit on 10/3/2012 by Klassified because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by luciddream
So many people here with the "moral comes from a book" "without that book there would be no law".. rambling of a brainwashed fruit.
Morals and feelings are formed from experience, its is made by an action you don't want done to you, or you know the consequence of what would happen if it was done to you.. thus you would not want to do that to others because you would know how they will feel if it was done to them.
Example: Someone steals your money... you feel bad because you worked hard for it, and now you need to suffer all the after effects like paying bills late, or worse, no food on the table. This would make you relate and learn not to do to others because it would put others in the same situation or worse.
That is how you get morals, not from a book that was written by horny men 2000yrs ago.
Human mind is a learning tool, not for indoctrination. I don't need a man made book to tell me how to live my life.
Post like this make all religious people look brainwashed.
Originally posted by ChristianJihad
reply to post by borntowatch
Atheists dont have a standard law or moral standard other than what is forced upon them by secular society.
Thank you very much but I have my own morals and when we get down to the nitty my own morals are far superior to that of your invisble man that lives in the sky.
No doubt if you could have your way I would have your so called standards forced upon me just like the good old days when those that didn't bow down to your invisble man were tortured and killed for it by people such as yourself whith claiming the moral high ground.
Why do xtians find it necassary to loiter in the halls of a "conspiracy" website of all places ready to pounce on a troll box and spew out drivel ? Is your faith so week ? Does no one listen to you at church or home ?
You allow some books written centuries ago by some men you have never even met about alleged incidents they didn't even witness or have evidence they even occured, dictate your morals !!!!
How foolish is that my friend, to hand your mind on a plate to someone else?
Clearly reying to nudge the subject of homosexuality into your rant appears to hint at a deeper issue that perhaps troubles you. Having had a few homosexual thoughts bounce around your vacuous cranium by any chance ? Need to attack gay people in order to purge yourself of these demonic ideas that have blighted you out of nowhere ?
Ah, your post instantly brings to mind this guy, anything in common ?
Remember my friend, just like Ted said "You don't even have to think" seems like you are heeding his advice.
Originally posted by ChristianJihad
reply to post by johngrissom
For one: I said a TRUE CHRISTIAN would have not shot up a school.
Unless of course his god told him to.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
This thread is a steaming, stinking, rubbish pile of divisive idiocy. Here's my question: what will it take for everyone to look beyond what they have in differences, and see what they have in common? What will it take for people to love each other for what they can do together, and not hate their neighbors for what they can do without them?
It seems like all everyone wants to see these days is reasons to want to kill each other, or tear each other down. It's a survival mechanism, I get it. But why do we need to survive? The only thing that threatens us now is each other. Does anyone see the redundancy?
Sometimes, I believe that no one wants peace. They only want to stand above the rest because they can only see how they've been wronged.edit on 3-10-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by humphreysjim
Same old straw man BS we have become accustomed to from the religious crowd.
* They try to attack atheism without even knowing what it is. FAIL.
* They attack the morality of their strawman version of atheism while failing to apply the morality of their own religion to their own lives. FAIL.
* They try to attack the morality of their strawman version of atheism while not understanding that it is irrelevant. Even if atheism implies complete lack of morality (which it doesn't), that says absolutely nothing about whether atheism is actually right. FAIL.
The troll fails - epically.
Atheism is lack of belief in God due to insufficient evidence of his existence (and that goes for all Gods, not just the one you personally have decided is the real deal). The only way to refute atheism is to show why God (any God) probably exists.
Your rant does not do that, so atheism holds.edit on 3-10-2012 by humphreysjim because: (no reason given)
And God has not given Christians permission to kill anyone
Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
We're not supposed to judge non-believers, but I do understand your frustration. I understand the frustrations of both parties, and I understand how those frustrations occur and you are not going to like my answer; both sides of the equation won't like my answer.
BUT, I will keep this short: you are not supposed to judge nonbelievers because you were once a nonbeliever.
We are supposed to be the light of the world, and I welcome those criticisms from nonbelievers because they are damn right... 21st century American "Christians" that protests again gay marriage are the same protesters that fought against woman equality, racial equality, and equality in general. Damn, can't we just take a step back and think?edit on 3-10-2012 by DelayedChristmas because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by windword
I remember when I was a little child sitting, on my fathers lap and he tickled me. In my giggling squirm, I accidentally kicked him in the crotch. I never knew, before this incident, that I had the ability to hurt someone, and I experienced guilt for the first time. I couldn't have been older than one, and had no religion, knowledge of God, but I knew that hurting someone was wrong .
My sister, who was 6 years older than me, used to like to act like a bull and charge at me. I remember the first time, sitting on the sofa, so little that I had to be propped up with pillows, and watching her paw at the ground with her foot, snort and then charge at me, landing on top of me with all her force, knocking the wind out of me so that I couldn't even cry. The thought of deliberately harming someone was not part of my mentality, so I never expected she would hurt me. I was shocked to learn that people could hurt others on purpose and I knew that was wrong, without anyone teaching me so.
When I started Kindergarten, my sister and I walked to school together. Some boys were picking on my sister and made her cry. I tore after them with a vengeance, defending my older sister against these big boys. It came natural. Nobody had to teach me to stand up for the weak.
Morality is etched on our souls and only perverted by biblical justification and religious intolerance. There is no morality disseminated by religion, only the hijacking and corruption of what is already written on the human soul.
Religion selling morality is like the government selling air. They don't own it.
edit on 3-10-2012 by windword because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Hawkmoon1972
None of this matters. You were born alone and you will die alone. What you do in between is what is important. If you live your life working to make people believe the same things you do you are wasting your time. Who cares if someone spends their life following a bronze age doctrine that makes no sense. It is their life to waste. Who cares if someone proclaims no belief at all. It really isn't harming you or anyone else. Also, does it really matter who I choose to sleep with? Does their gender really make a difference? Is it harming you or anyone else if I choose to love a man or a woman? I think not. Be a good human, love everyone you can. That's it.
Also, this is a troll post but I don't think I buy your response that you did it on purpose. I think you got busted and changed your tone. Just an opinion.
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by borntowatch
And God has not given Christians permission to kill anyone
Which god? The God of the Old Testament, the "Father God" that Jesus referred to or Jesus Christ?
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by borntowatch
There has never been a war in the name of "Atheism."
Also, there have always been people who didn't believe in the religions of their culture, but atheism itself is a new position, because in the past if a person were to claim that they didn't believe the emperor is "god on earth" or in the god(s) of the Bible, they were met with a death sentence.