Iran Haters: NOW what....? What crime do you charge Ahmedinejad with?

Originally posted by Tancred
reply to post by penninja

 

So what does Iran have to do with your life? Nothing? So if their ways are in conflict with "ours" let them be. Just because you do not agree with something does not mean you should attack it and destroy it. If their citizens don't like it they can handle it internally, as it should be handled. Most Iranians do not like the United States as a whole, and they have good reason for that, years and years of sanctions based on speculation that they are doing this or that behind the scenes to cause problems. It has crippled the country and affected your average person living in the country which becomes a problem when you try to attack a country. It is one thing if the government and the people are at odds, it is totally different when you attack a country and the people will be supporting the defense of their country and government.

My problem with Iran HAS NOTHING to do with taking sides, the issues of culture... some of you are 100% correct, if it was about IRAN it is not my business

It's not about IRAN by itself

It's about, CONVERSION, It's about that nation being a genuine force of Islamic Cultural Jihad

I have said multiple times what I say again now

This is dangerous, this threatens world security and culture everywhere in time, Islam in general takes the notion of an "Islamic World" way to seriously, most religions and cultures have gone through this it is a sickness of culture and it ALWAYS has to be stopped

I would Support Iran to be who ever they want... if they were not along with certain other centers in the Islamic world supportive of this process of Cultural dominance, these behaviors are EXPORTED with intent to other parts of the world.

I'd say America is also borderline with this whole multicultural reverse Nazi thing we have going on as well, it's saving grace however is American cultural imperialism is Alexandrian in nature it allows for some preservation of identity and it is...flexible system that changes where as religion is the ultimate in loss of free will and very frightening a system of laws can change to suit the populace, adapt... Religion is absolute in it's totalitarianism...

No religion can be allowed to go this route in this century

Not Jews (who for whatever they are are few in number and don't want anyone to join and have declining population for all intents and purposes) Not Christians who thankfully are mostly abandoning this nonsense beyond tradition not anyone

Islam is out of fricken control, Iran is a focal point in what their Leaders consider a holy cause and it DOES affect us because they want the world to follow these ways, Jews can suck...totally agree, but at least they are blunt in saying you goys stay over there, they aren't trying to sign you up... They will NEVER expand and thus are no threat to anyone's culture (aside from the Palestinians who could use some help here honestly)

Islam is a tidal wave

A very backwards and insecure Tidal wave at that and NO Nation should be led by anyone that has a belief in ARMAGEDDON

ABOVE ALL ELSE, No nation should be allowed to be led in a modern world by Anyone who believes in the End Times... that is the Ultimate threat

And I will not deny for a second that the USA is still possibly capable of being a victim of this junk, ROMNEY? How he made it to a ticket frightens me and YES Israel has those elements too and IF it raises it's Ugly, disgusting head it should be dealt with as well.

Originally posted by penninja

Islam is out of fricken control,
They will NEVER expand and thus are no threat to anyone's culture (aside from the Palestinians who could use some help here honestly)

Two interesting quotes from your long winded post.
Islam is out of control, according to you.

And Israel is doing Palestine a FAVOUR by stealing their land.

And

I DO hear the hypocrisy Loud and Clear and it is REAL

I am not one sided, This nation, America is as i said above border line with this same sickness.

If my country puts a fundie in office... I'm leaving the next 4-8 are spent in Asia

(I really doubt this will be the case)

The crazy part of it all is if we do, the guy who WILL attack Iran is the guy who has absolutely NO RIGHT TO with a Romney at the Helm and an America that waxes in that direction we would be just as bad as them.. A messianic believer in charge. It becomes utter hypocrisy at that point.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by penninja

Islam is out of fricken control,
They will NEVER expand and thus are no threat to anyone's culture (aside from the Palestinians who could use some help here honestly)

Two interesting quotes from your long winded post.
Islam is out of control, according to you.

And Israel is doing Palestine a FAVOUR by stealing their land.

Whoah... I never said that

I said directly Palestine needs intervention

I am PRO a Palestinian State, Pro stopping the settlements

But yes... Islam is multiplying endlessly, the practices are not conducive to what the rest of the world is doing, much...not all, much of Islam believes in a concept of an infidel, which localized...well goody for you, but it is in massive EXPANSION it's dangerous

Let me add what Israel is doing is dead wrong Jews have a .03 population growth, there is no need to expand. It's a moronic concept...

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You have to be able to differentiate between Islam and radical Islam....

Can you legitimately look at the acts of Israel and the United States and disregard all that has happened? Islam is out of control? Define out of control; Would invading several countries and murdering thousands upon thousands of people be considered out of control? A country that has sponsored terrorism for years as a means of subjugating foreign governments and attaining riches, and continues to flex their muscles and romp around the planet with guns and missiles, that sounds out of control to me

Originally posted by AxelAxel
reply to post by penninja

 

You have to be able to differentiate between Islam and radical Islam....

Can you legitimately look at the acts of Israel and the United States and disregard all that has happened? Islam is out of control? Define out of control; Would invading several countries and murdering thousands upon thousands of people be considered out of control? A country that has sponsored terrorism for years as a means of subjugating foreign governments and attaining riches, and continues to flex their muscles and romp around the planet with guns and missiles, that sounds out of control to me

Murdering thousands? Sorry but getting killed by a bomb,While unfortunate is not Murder if done so by accident or by the enemy trying to hide themselves in the public square. War zones have different Rules.Unless the attack was will full and full of malicious intent it is not a crime.

Originally posted by AxelAxel
reply to post by penninja

 

You have to be able to differentiate between Islam and radical Islam....

Can you legitimately look at the acts of Israel and the United States and disregard all that has happened? Islam is out of control? Define out of control; Would invading several countries and murdering thousands upon thousands of people be considered out of control? A country that has sponsored terrorism for years as a means of subjugating foreign governments and attaining riches, and continues to flex their muscles and romp around the planet with guns and missiles, that sounds out of control to me

Disregard it... no, no way

No fight happens without 2 sides

As I said the USA is really borderline... but we have become the global muscle, something Ron Paul wants to change

HOWEVER people shouldn't be fooled by the rhetoric and bs spewed at the UN, for the most part the USA is the muscle behind what some would call the NWO which essentially is the Will of all five members of the UN security council most of the Northern hemisphere for the building of a global economic system

We fight, the Nations who wish to remain separate from a global world at the request of the powers that be through the rest of the world.

And Honestly... this is a battle, we NEED a globe, we will not survive without a singular Government or overseeing body in a world of high technology

So this fight is real, Islam thinks it should be that global Body... a religion or an open system

It is truly a lot like the south park election episode, the one where you have a choice between a %$#@ or a %^&*

Because god knows capitalist/socialism.... ehhhhh we can evolve, money is pretty much a moronic economic model for prosperity, but it's not blind faith with a belief in doomsday

Political systems evolve, if the world comes together, and there is voting I think we will be okay

Life under Religious rule globally would be... horrible

Originally posted by penninja

The problem is the violence, Situations that can not be resolved

Palestine must be separated... There needs to be a border, because they will NEVER live together in peace

OUR BS of multiculturalism will never be accepted world wide... The Chinese are racist as hell lol... Indians somewhat less but yeah...Japan hell yeah jews, hell yeah, Germans big time... Racist

I think the two state solution is unpractical for many reasons, and primarily because it does not solve the "jerusalem is home to all 3 major religions" issue. The palestinians will continue being isolated in their self-proclaimed enclave state/nation.

That means the jewish government wil continue choking them out of the global markets, anger will continue to rise and sooner or later there will be major conflict in israel.

Many countries tolerate multi-culturalism and some even encourage it. America is not alone in this regard, The uk, france, germany, malaysia, lebanon, egypt, south/central american and caribbean islands, india, australia, south africa, new zealand, etc....

Even iran tolerates jews! Israel is one of a tiny minority of nations that wants a pure race. If that is not bigotry then what is? They are doing what nazi germany did to them; maybe they feel the need to get revenge huh?

Secularism is the answer. Mainstream religion needs to be shunned, slowely but surely, in favor of spiritualism or atheism. My opinion only but looking at history proves me 100% correct!

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
-Iran says they aren't trying to develop nuclear weapons.

IF they are, why is that a problem? Seems to me like this is becoming a typical stance on conflict and that's unfortunate. For example, an armed police officer is only paranoid of somebody putting their hands in their pockets because he's armed. If he wasn't armed, it wouldn't be such a life threatening situation. Both the US and Israel are nuclear, so Iran has that right as well.

-Iran has not made idle threats against the United States.

Feel free to post links disproving this but from what I see, Iran has threatened to hit US bases surrounding it, IF attacked first, in effort to thwart further attack efforts. How the hell are you gonna be mad at that? That's very sound, smart tactics - and totally understandable considering who Israels bitch has been for the last 60 years...

-Iran has threatened a regime which has been expanding on stolen land, murdering people, destroying families, and destroying homes - the zionist regime.

I say GOOD. Somebody should effin say something. But noooo, in the US we have a bunch of die hard Israel supporters. Really though, WHAT are they even supporting?!?! A free loading, living above the law nation that popped up in 1948 which HAPPENS to be surrounded by its own enemies?

The only reason Israel is surrounded by its enemies is because of its oppression of Palestinians.

Iran has not threatened JEWS, but it has threatened the zionist regime.... Given the zionist regimes resume of pimpin the US and building upon the graves Palestinians, I say those of you who support them, support the real criminals in the situation.

So my original question stands, what reason do you cite to support a possible war with Iran. Or even "strategic strikes to halt their nuclear advancement".... Why??? What are you afraid of...?

Seriously? Ok.....

"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury." I guess he meant to say "except the US".

"The wave of the Islamic revolution will soon reach the entire world." Perhaps he forgot to start off with, "with the exception of America"

"The establishment of Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world." Who do you think he is referring to, Iceland?

2010 - "They are annoying flies, like a used tissue." After US sanctions were passed against Iran.

Go ahead and dislike Jews if you want. But don't paint these nut jobs out to be misunderstood, because their message is clear. When the opportunity presents, they want to literally wipe Israel off of the map - and if anyone stands with them, they get wiped out, too.

All I did was spend about 3 minutes googling his quotes yet you boldly say "feel free to post links" and so forth as if they don't exist.

Now, I'm with Ron Paul, let's get the heck out of all of these insane nation states. But to ignore Iran as a current threat is ridiculous. When Israel bombs Iran, it's on. That's it, it's over. Too many countries who are in bad economic shape are just itching for a war that will keep their crumbling empires in power - including the US. Many have predicted it, and it seems to be not too far off. I've said it countless times - ORGANIZED religion will be the downfall of mankind. To accept some of the ridiculous teachings (both Jesus and the Prophet floated up into space, but where? Jupiter?) is to suspend logical thought. Throw logic out the window, and you have the Hitlers of the world.

Originally posted by penninja

Islam is a tidal wave

A very backwards and insecure Tidal wave at that and NO Nation should be led by anyone that has a belief in ARMAGEDDON.

Not more of a tidal wave than pseudo-christianity backed by the military-industrial complex.

Islam is the second biggest disease. That is were we disagree!

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The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan projected over 10,000 civilian deaths from 2007-2011. In Iraq, over 100,000 from 2003-2011. We also displaced millions in the middle east. If these atrocities were committed on our soil, if our children were being blown to bits, would opinions sway?

Effective mind control has desensitized America to violence

Originally posted by DrNotforhire

Originally posted by Unidentified_Objective

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
reply to post by Unidentified_Objective

 

agreed and if anyone else has been to Israel, they are the kindest and nicest people on the face of this earth... They will defend their land with their lives... But I think Most Americans (except the Obama lovers) would do the same.

I'm voting for Obama in November. I'm not a Democrat. I'm an informed college graduate that served in Iraq and own my own business. I'm voting for him because Romney's policies parrot the policies that led to the economic fiasco that Obama inherited. Why? Because they are playing politics and NOT looking out for the best interest of this country. Not to mention Romney's policies are not Romney's policies from 5 years ago....or 10...or 15, for that matter. He says whatever he thinks will win votes. He is a doucher.

Says whatever he thinks will win votes

Thought you were talking about Obama there for a second

Hahaha! I guess you people didn't realise that EVERY politician lies to get what he wants? It's their job.

Politics is latin for "lies" .

Peace out.

Originally posted by Tancred
reply to post by penninja

 

Not Jews (who for whatever they are are few in number and don't want anyone to join and have declining population for all intents and purposes) Not Christians who thankfully are mostly abandoning this nonsense beyond tradition not anyone

Islam is out of fricken control, Iran is a focal point in what their Leaders consider a holy cause and it DOES affect us because they want the world to follow these ways, Jews can suck...totally agree, but at least they are blunt in saying you goys stay over there, they aren't trying to sign you up... They will NEVER expand and thus are no threat to anyone's culture (aside from the Palestinians who could use some help here honestly)

Note that i don't have any problems with people being Jews or Christians or Islam or any religion at all in fact. (i'm atheist)

I just wanted to point out that one of the biggest problems in the world right now are the banking systems and financial problems of a lot of countries. That is caused by jew's banking system that is forced down the throat of almost all countries (Iran, not) .

So, jews may not bug everyone with what their god or beliefs but they are controlling the world via another god called money. (by the way I'm not talking about EVERY jew, only the big shots of the banking system and politics).

IMO that is also a threat to the world, probably bigger than the little Iran and it's not caused by a nation or religion, only a small group of bast**** (that happen to be moslty jews). It would be probably easier to get rid of these ***** than it is to get rid of the only countries that don't fit their plans?

Peace out.

Originally posted by AxelAxel
reply to post by yuppa

 

The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan projected over 10,000 civilian deaths from 2007-2011. In Iraq, over 100,000 from 2003-2011. We also displaced millions in the middle east. If these atrocities were committed on our soil, if our children were being blown to bits, would opinions sway?

Effective mind control has desensitized America to violence

Capitalism has killed more people via starvation and lack of access to resources for the poor the last 2000 years and religion with its effective mind control propaganda than all the communist dictators combined. Of course the right perpetually disputes that.

Not that I am a communist(anarchy) or socialist(nationalism) in the marxist sense. I am for a mixed-economy; some things publicly owned and some private. I believe in entrepreneurship up to a point, and if you make it big your wealth should be collected by the state to fund projects and the rest distributed to the poor in terms of welfare.

Originally posted by AxelAxel
reply to post by yuppa

 

The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan projected over 10,000 civilian deaths from 2007-2011. In Iraq, over 100,000 from 2003-2011. We also displaced millions in the middle east. If these atrocities were committed on our soil, if our children were being blown to bits, would opinions sway?

Effective mind control has desensitized America to violence

MIne would not. its a fact of a warzone. people die. Its only a atrocity if done on purpose. otherwise its a accident.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by penninja

Islam is a tidal wave

A very backwards and insecure Tidal wave at that and NO Nation should be led by anyone that has a belief in ARMAGEDDON.

Not more of a tidal wave than pseudo-christianity backed by the military-industrial complex.

Islam is the second biggest disease. That is were we disagree!

I don't know.

I have really had the feeling that under Obama we had began the complete walk away.

Personally, looking around I had begun to feel bad almost as if Christians have been marginalized in the States to a degree that they were the ones starting to be prejudiced against.

I don't actually see anything being done via this government that is conducive to Christianity

I think, America is at a crossroads and this election will tell a lot

Originally posted by yuppa

Originally posted by AxelAxel
reply to post by yuppa

 

The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan projected over 10,000 civilian deaths from 2007-2011. In Iraq, over 100,000 from 2003-2011. We also displaced millions in the middle east. If these atrocities were committed on our soil, if our children were being blown to bits, would opinions sway?

Effective mind control has desensitized America to violence

MIne would not. its a fact of a warzone. people die. Its only a atrocity if done on purpose. otherwise its a accident.

It's an interesting world where "enemies" can talk via the internet is it not?

Far from desensitized to violence we are far more apt to have these acts thrown in our face and have to deal with them.

How does an information free society fight an enemy that threatens it's way of life, this is all very real deal stuff the very first perhaps since WW2 where the Western way of life is under threat, the globe is coming together this world WILL be run via one source sooner or later if that source is Islam there is no Western Civilization that will remain.

Yet War is hard when the public people who aren't soldiers have to see the death rubbed in their faces daily

In all reality if not for the Internet Iran would already be rubble

Good thing or Bad?

Likely a bad thing for us. Doing "what needs to be done" in situations where there is no possible resolution is not the work for teenagers and intellectuals and moms etc, if it was they would go to war too.

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What crime? How about being one of the hostage takers, back in the day? He was IDed by one of the hostages, and anyone looking at the pics can see it's the same man.

Originally posted by AxelAxel
reply to post by penninja

 

You have to be able to differentiate between Islam and radical Islam....

Can you legitimately look at the acts of Israel and the United States and disregard all that has happened? Islam is out of control? Define out of control; Would invading several countries and murdering thousands upon thousands of people be considered out of control? A country that has sponsored terrorism for years as a means of subjugating foreign governments and attaining riches, and continues to flex their muscles and romp around the planet with guns and missiles, that sounds out of control to me

And by the way

You can't distinguish, that is a politically correct line used by media and politicians

I know full well being Jewish how this works

I can't stand when Orthodox Jews move to a Jewish neighborhood and it's always the same, normal, everyday people *and yes it's the same for Muslims sadly" who act like Human Beings move somewhere they make friends the people are nice and there are a few Jewish families in a Judeo Christian or any other Jewish/other mixed neighborhood and you do what any normal person does, you try to fit in, to adapt, to learn the culture be the culture... that is after all why you moved to a "better life"

So there you are as a Jew or a Muslim, blending in with everyone else, maybe you hold the religion in regard, The Muslim might fast during xmas the jew might light a menorah, but you do your best to blend

Then the radials come

And they act real nice, they associate with you as a Jew or Muslim, they USE you to keep them safe and slowly more come until.... your mixed in, the neighborhood has turned, they are no longer so nice to you either and then you wake up and YOU are hated for no reason by association, your neighborhood your new life is targeted by others

So How would one... to reverse this and be fair... eliminate Orthodox radicals in a neighborhood without then killing me too?

The answer is it's impossible

And these people employ these methods by INTENT