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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:31 PM
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reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


Oooh I see, so bringing proof, and facts that Hitler was socialist is proof that Republicans are like NAZIS like the OP thinks?...


What?

:-)

How about this: trying to create a feeling of factiness so that you might sound more credible to some people is pretty much what we're all discussing here. No matter how facty you try to sound - it won't make the Democrats either Socialists or Nazis

Not to anyone that can think

What are you discussing? And what does it have to do with this thread?

I wonder if you can give us an answer that doesn't involve using the words Socialist, Communist or Nazi




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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:35 PM
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it won't make the Democrats either a Socialists or Nazis


There were around 70 members of Congress who were also members of the Democratic Socialists of America. Maxine Watters and Bernie Sanders are two such people. Bernie is clearly socialist, and Maxine too, in that she let the cat out of the bag on wanting to "sociaaa aaaa uhhh basically taking over all your companies" as she said to the oil execs in Congressional hearings. I don't know how much more factiness you need, but I am sure that Electric and I both can come up with lots. I think you just don't want to hear it for some reason.

And if you want to talk about obama, then there is this



and this...children singing to dear leader

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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:43 PM
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Not to get all up in your argument or anything & I'm sure you guys must have already stated & discussed something this obvious - but wasn't the term NAZI devised in reference to the National Socialists German Workers Party?



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by campanionator

You are promoting the most bizarre argument I have ever heard in my life, frankly.


Ok, let's read why you believe so.


Originally posted by campanionator
My Grandmother, the person who raised me was German... She was so German her brothers name
was ADOLF, they had to leave Germany because they feared the retribution of the COMMUNISTS
once it was evident Berlin was going to fall. Sad to say that some of my ancestors were Nazis
and they were most certainly right wing, self determination, culture purity and tradition were
very big components to the ideology. Southern conservatism in America is very similar, less
the christianity and vocalizations about big government. Both factions fear/ed social progress
that could threaten traditions, like marriage and family life...


First of all in case you didn't know the south used to be all Democrats, so what you call "southern conservatism" happens to be the old views of Democrats, not Republicans...

The Republicans in reality, and in the old days were the ones to bring progress to this nation and it was the new and big cities such as New York...

Do not mistake progress with the "progressive movement". The Progressive movement is about bringing political change, as in leftwing politics.

Second of all, I presented evidence to substantiate what I stated... All you brought was that your grandmother was from Germany which doesn't really prove anything at all.



Unfortunately several members provided you with ample evidence as to the right wing nature of
the Nazi party, but that did not satisfy you. I thought maybe a real world example of that would help
you along, but it sounds like you have been stuck in the echo chamber too long to make sense
of sense.

The south has always been conservative, it's loyalties have wained, but the conservative nature
of the south has not.

If you want a historically specific example...

The Reichstag Fire was blame upon the Communists, which was based upon the evidence
of the presence, at the time, of a renowned Communist, Marinus van der Lubbe, who was publicly indicted
by Hermann Goering and accused of planning and starting the event. As a result, Hitler suspended habeas corpus for the Communists and rounded up thousands of them with out trial or recourse.

The very rise of Nazi Germany was cemented by people's distrust and fear of Marxism ~
Hitler used this fear to gain control of the government and imprison his greatest political
rivals, the KPD or the German Communist party

Shame on you for allowing yourself to become so ignorant.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:45 PM
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Ms. Horus - you think feminists are communists

You think communism or communism-lite is in everything, everywhere - all of the time

Please - we could use some of your factiness now - where is communism not?

:-)



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by coldkidc
Not to get all up in your argument or anything & I'm sure you guys must have already stated & discussed something this obvious - but wasn't the term NAZI devised in reference to the National Socialists German Workers Party?


Yes, it was a term

A hot dog is not a fried poodle is it?

The fact is, the Fascists in Germany, Spain and Italy were directly opposed by Communists
in all three examples.

There were diametrically opposed ideologies



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:48 PM
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Someone that has never read a sentence from Marx/Engels, yet really thinks they are an expert on it.


This is a strawman if I ever heard it. I can't believe my eyes when I see people posting this same argument. Read Alinsky much?



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by RealSpoke
 





Someone that has never read a sentence from Marx/Engels, yet really thinks they are an expert on it.


This is a strawman if I ever heard it. I can't believe my eyes when I see people posting this same argument. Read Alinsky much?


It is funny because the right wing brings it up so much, I think you guys are actually projecting.

You guys use such tactics with a straight face day in and day out.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by benrl
reply to post by sheepslayer247
 

I think that may be an example of the information Bias at play.

It gets kind of annoying when you see in the media and on here this thought that the Left has the monopoly on intelligence and free thinking open mindedness.

If it wasn't a violation of TOS, I could list all the members I have seen being just as stubborn as the right. Watch an Episode of Bill Maher if you want to see the same kind of rhetoric being spouted by the left.

Its not till you step back from both parties, and see it as the game it is (For christ sake theres team mascot's .) that you understand its all manipulation to keep the masses at bay.

If we all stopped drinking the MSM koolaid we would be marching on Washington DC with pitch forks and torches.

People need to stop banging the "my teams better" drum, there are no teams, its just Americans being abused by those in power.


Prove it, stop just saying it.
AND PLEASE STOP COMPARING BILL MAHER TO POLICY MAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:51 PM
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Funny thing bout that.

When Hitler burned down the Reichstag, he blamed it on the Communist.



posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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Oh - So is the argument over whether or not Communism & Fascism are the same?
They are definitely not the same - 2 different systems...they may share some small amount of overlap on certain things but 2 completely different ideologies

I thought the discussion was about whether or not NAZI's were socialist...I just thought the name was relevant considering "socialists" is in the name...
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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by benrl
 


I can agree to a certain extent and I'm sure that I will get flamed for this, but with all my dealings on this forum and in real life conversations, Democrats are much more receptive to opposing opinions and are more willing to change their opinion in the face of clear-cut evidence.

As this video attempts to point out, the hard-Right tends to be an "island" in which it is cut-off from the outside world and anything other than accepted dogma and rhetoric is not allowed to penetrate their inner sanctum.

So while I can agree somewhat, the Republicans are on a completely different level than the Democrats.



Both pander to the extremes of their own party


Actually, the Democrats pander to the Right. They have tossed their ideology to the side to appease people on the right.
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I've always told my friends that M. Knight Shyamalan's movie "The Village" was not a suspense/horror movie, it was a parody of the republican party.
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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


Ms. Horus - you think feminists are communists

You think communism or communism-lite is in everything, everywhere - all of the time

Please - we could use some of your factiness now - where is communism not?

:-)



Some feminists were and are communists and have communist or socialist leanings, and in some cases boyfriends (Sandra fluke comes to mind). But hey at least I know you are reading my posts. All you have to do is read some of the communist and socialist and Marxist websites and you will know that they used feminism as a means to recruit women.

Socialism is communism-lite is it not? It may not be full fledged communism, but Karl Marx and Stalin both admitted socialism is a bridge to the more violent and extreme communism.
Our founding Fathers were not socialists, Milton Friedman not a socialist, John Locke was for limited govt. The John Birch Society, not socialist. Ludwig Von Mises and the Austrian School of Economics not socialist or communist.

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posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Spiramirabilis
 





it won't make the Democrats either a Socialists or Nazis


There were around 70 members of Congress who were also members of the Democratic Socialists of America. Maxine Watters and Bernie Sanders are two such people. Bernie is clearly socialist, and Maxine too, in that she let the cat out of the bag on wanting to "sociaaa aaaa uhhh basically taking over all your companies" as she said to the oil execs in Congressional hearings. I don't know how much more factiness you need, but I am sure that Electric and I both can come up with lots. I think you just don't want to hear it for some reason.

And if you want to talk about obama, then there is this



and this...children singing to dear leader

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Jeez lady, you are a hypocrite




posted on Sep, 25 2012 @ 11:58 PM
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Read Alinsky much?


Yeah, I got rules for radicals at the local tea party rally.


Adam Brandon, a spokesman for the conservative non-profit organization FreedomWorks, which is one of several groups involved in organizing Tea Party protests, says the group gives Alinsky's Rules for Radicals to its top leadership members. A shortened guide called Rules for Patriots is distributed to its entire network. In a January 2012 story that appeared in The Wall Street Journal, citing the organization's tactic of sending activists to town-hall meetings, Brandon explained, "his tactics when it comes to grass-roots organizing are incredibly effective." Former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey also gives copies of Alinsky's book Rules for Radicals to Tea Party leaders.[23]


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by coldkidc
reply to post by campanionator
 


Oh - So is the argument over whether or not Communism & Fascism are the same?
They are definitely not the same - 2 different systems...they may share some small amount of overlap on certain things but 2 completely different ideologies

I thought the discussion was about whether or not NAZI's were socialist...I just thought the name was relevant considering "socialists" is in the name...
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Yes, one special member insists that Nazis are left wing commies.

This would mean that Europe spent WWII without a rightwing party in power, magically.



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 12:01 AM
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If democrats were socialists they wouldn't be voting for the extension of capitalism. Sorry, get over it, none of your leftist fantasies have any basis in reality. Like I said, read Marx/Engels and you will see how silly you sound. I can call myself a Zebra a million times, doesn't mean I am one.


And I don't get the point the that step team video, are you trying to say that a cult of personality is only possible under communism? Clearly that isn't the case, look at the Ron Paul movement.

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posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 12:03 AM
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Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


Ms. Horus - you think feminists are communists

You think communism or communism-lite is in everything, everywhere - all of the time

Please - we could use some of your factiness now - where is communism not?

:-)



Feminists ended institutional racism and slavery in America -

Should we all start making reverse judgements about those who oppose that historic movement???

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posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 12:06 AM
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No - Nazis were definitely not commies...the left wing/right wing thing is tough because the line kind of blurs since it really ends up being more about the level of control the government has over assets & how the socioeconomic structure is designed

I'm not sure there's a direct connection between Republican vs Democrat & Nazi vs. Commie...

Kind of apples & oranges...



posted on Sep, 26 2012 @ 12:09 AM
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Not much of a list - looks like you're surrounded

No wonder you're so concerned

Was McCarthy a communist?

Or was he an American hero?

:-)

Goodnight Ms. Horus - I'm out of here





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