The Right Wing Echo Chamber

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Also the OP has repeatedly said that he himself is not left wing, that he was Republican and so on, but I have never seen him post anything remotely Republican. I have always seen him as left wing, though he claims not to be. Maybe therein lies the real conundrum why left wingers try to deny their left wingedness and say that conservatives are the real nazis.

YOU have always seen me as left-wing because you are so far to the right that Ronald Reagan would be called a lefty as well.

Luckily enough, many members have proven my OP to be correct. You cannot argue against the extreme right-wing with facts and logic that originate from outside of the echo chamber.

I really thank many of you for participating.

Thank you,

It has been eye opening... These people will wonder why Obama wins in November, THEY are
why Obama will win in November.

Fascism (the Nazis) is the extreme right-wing. Communism (the Bolsheviks) is the extreme left-wing. These are facts. Since this website goes under the mantra of "deny ignorance" - I believe the admin should step in here and get control of this totally out of control thread.

Because there are many people here that are trying to push the idea that somehow the above facts are not really true. That's going too far to allow a political discussion to get that overrun with complete lies, propaganda, manipulations, and distortions, like how some people here in this thread are trying to claim that the Nazis were from the left-wing, etc.

reply to post by Red Cloak


I think that myself and other members have been able to stand our ground and present a good case in this thread. Having admin or a mod come in to "set the record straight" would only cause grief for them, I'm sure.

And do you think that would change their mind?

no

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by Red Cloak

 

I think that myself and other members have been able to stand our ground and present a good case in this thread. Having admin or a mod come in to "set the record straight" would only cause grief for them, I'm sure.

And do you think that would change their mind?

no

People that are lying to that extent and spreading lies to that extent need to be outed as such by the site admin. Otherwise this site will be completely overrun with people like that. I realize that ATS is generally an extremely conservative website, as evidenced by the incredible amount of hardcore support for Ron Paul here. And it makes sense as well, since several studies have shown that the more conservative people are, the more likely they are to believe in "conspiracy theories".

But still, there has to be a line. And before I get labeled a "lefty", "liberal", "socialist", "commie", or whatever else, let me just say that I am not a democrat at all and never have been.

reply to post by Red Cloak


Be careful what you wish for, there very well could be a mod or two that agree with the nonsense about Nazis, Fascism etc being left wing extremes.

The Echo Chamber is so powerful that it is able to shift objects of historical fact,
into the realm of opinion.

But this does not change that FACT that Hitler was rightwing and that his power came to
full fruition when he eliminated the leftwing out of the power continuum.

The Echo Chamber cannot change reality, thank god for that

reply to post by campanionator


It cannot change reality, but it sure can create it. That's exactly what we see.

How does the saying go..."I reject your reality and substitute my own"?

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

Communism IS a socialist movement! /facepalm

In case you dind't notice your statement can be seen as sarcasm, as in you not believing it...

Anyway, you still haven't debunked anything...

As to your claims about the Republican party and about Democrats, you are PARTIALLY right about the first and wrong about the second, but of course you won't change your mind about it...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by sheepslayer247

Communism IS a socialist movement! /facepalm

In case you dind't notice your statement can be seen as sarcasm, as in you not believing it...

Anyway, you still haven't debunked anything...

As to your claims about the Republican party and about Democrats, you are PARTIALLY right about the first and wrong about the second, but of course you won't change your mind about it...

You have proven that NOTHING will change your mind, even though the majority of respondents
on this thread have contradicted your assertions, you hold fast.

The Echo Chamber is built upon stories like this and attitudes like yours.

I would like to see you go into a British pub at 1 A.M and tell the guys Hitler was a
lefty pinko.

I would pay to see that video

Originally posted by Kali74

It is no use arguing with these two, they see Leftist agenda on cereal boxes. Paranoid delusion abounds in their posts and there is absolutely no reasoning or debating.

The exact same thing can be said about you, and others like you, the only difference is that you never bring any facts, or evidence to the table, you are just full of hot air, and that is all.

Originally posted by Kali74

It matters not what Hitler/Mussolini called themselves... they used Socialist tools to lure in the masses and then turned on Unions, Communists etc... they turned on Socialism and ushered in Fascism, they both ruled as Fascists (ultra right wing) we know it, the world knows it.

That is exactly what happens EVERY TIME socialism/communism is fully embraced in EVERY country... This is what people like you, those in the left, never seen to realize or understand. Under socialism and all it's branches you lose infraestructure to the state, and or you can even lose your right to personal property, and what this means is that the state, or the party, holds all power and despite claims from those who work and are fully servient to the party/state that "we are the people/we are doing it for the people/it belongs to the people" in fact everything belongs to the state/party...

You think Hitler wasn't socialist because he later turned against unions?... In case you didn't know unions can acquire, and do hold a lot of power, and to those with supreme power in government this is ALWAYS a problem, so those in power in government find ways to get rid, or find a way to control such power by turning against other people who also have too much power in the socialist/communist nation...

You should pick up a book or two about the promises made by socialists in the past and then what happens after they, and those who work for them, acquire the power... Let me give you a summary of what you will find.... What happens is that to socialists/communists they can't share power with others even if those others are socialists/communists but with some different ideas, hence this is the reason why they turn against other socialists/communists...

NOw, let's see what else you ahve to say...

Originally posted by Kali74
they turned on Socialism and ushered in Fascism, they both ruled as Fascists (ultra right wing) we know it, the world knows it.

Really?...

Let's read some more about this "ultra right wing" views you claim Hitler and Mussolini had shall we?...

I don't really like to quote from wikipedia, but since many of you trust it completely and would cry foul if a right wing source is given, let's read about Mussolini's Fascist Manifesto shall we?...

...
The manifesto thus combined elements of contemporary democratic and progressive thought (franchise reform, labour reform, limited nationalisation, taxes on wealth and war profits) with corporatist emphasis on class collaboration (the idea of social classes existing side by side and collaborating for the sake of national interests; the opposite of the Marxist notion of class struggle).
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en.wikipedia.org...

Oh my oh my...that does sound very right wing doesn't it?...

The idea that Nazism was an extreme form of "capitalism" and Hitler primarily a tool serving the interests of "big business" is a longstanding myth that even now retains a measure of popularity in some quarters. This, despite the fact that the full name of the Nazi Party was the National Socialist German Workers' Party, and that Nazi political strategy was explicitly based on combining the appeal of socialism with that of nationalism (thus the choice of name). Once in power, the Nazis even went so far as to institute a Four Year Plan for running the German economy, modeled in large part on the Soviet Union's Five Year Plans.

I. The Socialist Elements of Nazism.

Two recent books further explain the socialist elements of Nazi economic policy, and will hopefully put the final nails in the coffin of the myth that the Nazis were "capitalists" or free marketeers. In The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy, historian Adam Tooze describes the statist nature of Nazi economic policy in great detail, and concludes that the Nazis imposed greater government control over the economy than any other noncommunist regime in modern history. (pp. 658-60). Tooze notes that, even before the outbreak of World War II, government military spending accounted for some 20% of the GDP, while much of the rest of the economy came under government control as a result of the Four Year Plan and other similar measures.
...
www.volokh.com...

The above comes from a website where mostly law professors express their views on topics.

edit on 27-9-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


In case you didn't realize there are 192 other countries in the world that have conservatives and liberals.

"Small government", or states rights as it should really be called, is a cultural manifestation of
America conservatism. This traditional view is not a constant throughout the world or even in
western society.

The state is a part of every government wether it be right or left.

Originally posted by campanionator

You have proven that NOTHING will change your mind, even though the majority of respondents
on this thread have contradicted your assertions, you hold fast.

I actually have proven the contrary to what you claim...All you have proven is that your grandmother was German... That, and that you are a brainless thug as your next response shows...

Originally posted by campanionator
The Echo Chamber is built upon stories like this and attitudes like yours.

You don't know jack about me...

Originally posted by campanionator
I would like to see you go into a British pub at 1 A.M and tell the guys Hitler was a
lefty pinko.

I would pay to see that video

WOW, yep, that's teh evidence that contradicst everything I wrote, and all the evidence I provided...

Like I said, a brainless thug...

reply to post by Red Cloak


Sure, let's start banning people for having a different point of view...

We can't have anyone posting evidence, and facts, and discussing them when they contradict your own can't we?...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by campanionator

You have proven that NOTHING will change your mind, even though the majority of respondents
on this thread have contradicted your assertions, you hold fast.

I actually have proven the contrary to what you claim...All you ahve proven is that your grandmother was German... That, and that you are a brainless thug as your next response shows...

Originally posted by campanionator
The Echo Chamber is built upon stories like this and attitudes like yours.

You don't know jack about me...

Originally posted by campanionator
I would like to see you go into a British pub at 1 A.M and tell the guys Hitler was a
lefty pinko.

I would pay to see that video

WOW, yep, that's teh evidence that contradicst everything I wrote, and all the evidence I provided...

Like I said, a brainless thug...

But I do know a lot about you...

You must be an extreme zealot to propose such a ridiculous argument, it is so ridiculous,
there is very little need to address your assertions. About that same as if you said,

"ice is hot and posses a fire risk!"

There is little need to discuss with a person who harbors those kinds of fantasies.

Originally posted by campanionator

But I do know a lot about you...

Nope, you don't know jack about me and I really don't care either way, it is obvious that you have no idea on how to discuss a topic.

Not one of your statements disproves anything I said or the evidence I presented, but it is obvious that you are very delluded to think so.

Originally posted by campanionator

In case you didn't realize there are 192 other countries in the world that have conservatives and liberals.

Wrong, in fact there are many different forms of government out there than the two you posted, which goes to show how little you know about the world.

Originally posted by campanionator
"Small government", or states rights as it should really be called, is a cultural manifestation of
America conservatism. This traditional view is not a constant throughout the world or even in
western society.

The state is a part of every government wether it be right or left.

Wrong again, small government is more about giving more individual freedom to people than giving rights to the states...

Whether other people around the world want or not want more individual rights as originally stated in the U.S. Constitution does not matter... People in other countries can choose, and they themselves should choose what form of government they want.

As to your last statement...

Originally posted by campanionator
The state is a part of every government wether it be right or left.

I really have no idea what in the world you are trying to say. The above statement neither proves nor disproves anything I wrote, or any of the links and evidence I provided.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by campanionator

But I do know a lot about you...

Nope, you don't know jack about me and I really don't care either way, it is obvious that you ahve no idea on how to discuss a topic.

Not one of your statements disproves anything I said or the evidence I presented, but it is obvious that you are very delluded to think so.

I have demolished your argument, many people here have demolished your argument.

You are the only person left standing, still pursuing this foolish argument.

The very simple logic that Hitler's direct opposition was the Communist KPD party, should have
silenced your ranting. Or the fact that ALL the Fascist nations during WWII were directly fighting
with Communists should tell you that the two forces were in opposition.

Your deluded fantasy depends on a Europe that was with out a Rightwing counter force and
that proposition is beyond laughable.

Your deluded story depends upon so much fantasy it rivals Star Wars or Aesop's Fables

All you can here is the echo of the fantasy, trapped in that tube you have stuck yourself in.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by campanionator

In case you didn't realize there are 192 other countries in the world that have conservatives and liberals.

Wrong, in fact there are many different forms of government out there than the two you posted, which goes to show how little you know about the world.

Originally posted by campanionator
"Small government", or states rights as it should really be called, is a cultural manifestation of
America conservatism. This traditional view is not a constant throughout the world or even in
western society.

The state is a part of every government wether it be right or left.

Wrong again, small government is more about giving more individual freedom to people than giving rights to the states...

Whether other people around the world want or not want more individual rights as originally stated in the U.S. Constitution does not matter... People in other countries can choose, and they themselves should choose what form of government they want.

As to your last statement...

Originally posted by campanionator
The state is a part of every government wether it be right or left.

I really have no idea what in the world you are trying to say. The above statement neither proves nor disproves anything I wrote, or any of the links and evidence I provided.

Maybe fantasy is not your primary problem, maybe processing is???

Conservative and Liberal are not forms of government, they are ideologies that inform
people and their decisions.

Small government is an American cultural manifestation.

It is a fake one as well, because American conservatives, just like the Anti Federalists,
want power to be given back to the states.

Unfortunately the states used their power to institutionalized slavery, bigotry, sexism and racism.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

...
Sorry, but it looks like this is just a partisan hack job. If she had said that both the right and the left have supporters that fail to accept truth and refuse to be receptive to opposing opinions then her statement would have merit. As it is, it's just her being typical far left (like she usually is).

There are times that I disagree with you, but on this I agree with you.

It also seems that we are getting some people again claiming "I was once a Republican but now I see the light and I am a Democrat" which usually is a lie and a tactic to further an agenda.

We all know and have read the threads and fact that the Obama team are paying people to infiltrate websites like this one to "spread their truth through lies"...

You have got to wonder how many of those people are, and have posted in this thread...

Originally posted by campanionator

Maybe fantasy is not your primary problem, maybe processing is???

This coming from the same person who instead of discussing topics he wants to send those he disagrees with to some Brittish pub?...

Originally posted by campanionator
Conservative and Liberal are not forms of government, they are ideologies that inform
people and their decisions.

There are governments that can be conservative and others can be liberals, but there are also other forms of government and ideologies out there... Better?...

Originally posted by campanionator
Small government is an American cultural manifestation.

WRONG, there are other people around the world who also embrace the idea of small government, as in the government not having all the power...

Originally posted by campanionator
It is a fake one as well, because American conservatives, just like the Anti Federalists,
want power to be given back to the states.

Really?... then I guess the Founding fathers of this nation were all fakes according to you...

Originally posted by campanionator
Unfortunately the states used their power to institutionalized slavery, bigotry, sexism and racism.

Acually it was the Democrats who wanted to keep slavery, bigotry, sexism and racism in the United States... The Republicans were the ones that helped liberate the slaves, women in Republican cities, such as New York back in the old days were allowed more liberties than the women in the south and in Democrat states/cities...

Again, you are not showing much knowledge on the topic you are discussing...