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reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 10:40 PM by Swills
reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy



Yes, these crafty Libyans are using unknown protests materials never seen before! Markers? Poster board/paper? White paper?


reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 10:53 PM by GarrusVasNormandy
Originally posted by Swills
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post by GarrusVasNormandy



Yes, these crafty Libyans are using unknown protests materials never seen before! Markers? Poster board/paper? White paper?



What is the motive behind your sarcasm? You want me to apologize for thinking out of the box? You want me to apologize for my brain picking up patterns? I raised questions, I'm not raining down on your parade. Remember what is the motto of the site in which you made this thread, please.

I do hope that this is genuine, I do hope the WHOLE WORLD becomes like this, where violent acts are condemn and peace is valuable. But we are not there yet, and propaganda has very crafty hands. Sometime, it slips and shows face.

I have doubts that a considerable group of people would gather for support, and they would all take paper from the same stock, instead of getting their own resources. If the point of origin of the paper and markers - as mundane and futile that might seem to your eyes - is the same, that could mean that the material was handed out to them, or in another words, this whole thing could be staged by someone.

Aren't people always assuming that dictators organize groups of people to show support, and supplying them with posters? So tell me, why the arrogance around my comments?
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reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 10:56 PM by davjan4
Originally posted by GarrusVasNormandy
Originally posted by Swills
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post by GarrusVasNormandy



Yes, these crafty Libyans are using unknown protests materials never seen before! Markers? Poster board/paper? White paper?



What is the motive behind your sarcasm? You want me to apologize for thinking out of the box? You want me to apologize for my brain picking up patterns? I raised questions, I'm not raining down on your parade. Remember what is the motto of the site in which you made this thread, please.

I do hope that this is genuine, I do hope the WHOLE WORLD becomes like this, where violent acts are condemn and peace is valuable. But we are not there yet, and propaganda has very crafty hands. Sometime, it slips and shows face.

I have doubts that a considerable group of people would gather for support, and they would all take paper from the same stock, instead of getting their own resources. If the point of origin of the paper and markers - as mundane and futile that might seem to your eyes - is the same, that could mean that the material was handed out to them, or in another words, this whole thing could be stages by someone.

Aren't people always assuming that dictators organize groups of people to show support, and supplying them with posters? So tell me, why the arrogance around my comments?
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I saw the same thing.

This may be very clever propaganda.


reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 11:01 PM by Swills
reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy



Thinking outside the box or expanding upon a pretty obvious observation? Another thing, I don't think it's ever uncommon to show up to a protest and there is already materials there for you to make your own sign. Sure, anyone can look for a conspiracy in just about anything but when someone points out another perception don't take it personally. My motive for sarcasm is for LoLs.
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reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 11:16 PM by GarrusVasNormandy
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Thinking outside the box or expanding upon a pretty obvious observation?


I didn't expand on anything, I mentioned facts, and I questioned why they were common to several individuals on the pictures you provided.

Google is a good pal, and if you search for any protest or gathering, you WILL see different people holding different signs, especially made with different materials, and with different sizes, shapes and style.

Another thing, I don't think it's ever uncommon to show up to a protest and there is already materials there for you to make your own sign.


No, it isn't. But you know when that happens? When an event is organized and the organization makes efforts into providing materials for the campaign.

When things are natural and organized by text message or social networking, people will organize them-selfs and their material before leaving home - which means they will use their own (individual) resources - or on the path to the gathering, which will also mean people will have different signs.

If you look at the pictures of the Egyptian protests during the revolution, you will see all sorts of signs. That's also true even in Libya, prior to the regime change, on either side.

There is nothing wrong with organizing a peace demonstration. Nothing wrong at all. But when people claim they are showing genuine support, and in an event that should be natural you see patterns of organization, the following question comes up:

WHY?

Why did someone supply posters and signs? Who did it? And if there is an organization in all this, and someone produced the signs for everyone else, why is the english so bad? Isn't at least someone in that group that knows how to speak english?

Sure, anyone can look for a conspiracy in just about anything but when someone points out another perception don't take it personally.


I'm not offended, nor I do give importance to the kind of response you made, taking it personally.

But ask yourself, which one of us is talking about facts and making legitimate questions, and who is avoiding them without giving it any second thought?

I'm glad you avoided the point about dictators using staged propaganda.
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reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 11:21 PM by Swills
reply to post by sonnny1



You'd be hard pressed to find any media reporting on this. Well at least I've looked and found nothing so far.


reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 11:23 PM by Swills
reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy



These probably are the very same people who were protesting peacefully outside the embassy before an armed & organized gang of terrorist began the attacks. And now they're back the very next day letting America know they had nothing to do with this.

So again, we can find conspiracies in anything but it doesnt mean it's true. Tell me, what Libyan dictator staged the protests? You are aware since the 2011 civil war terrorists have been having their way with Libya?
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reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 11:29 PM by sonnny1
Originally posted by Swills
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You'd be hard pressed to find any media reporting on this. Well at least I've looked and found nothing so far.


Where did you get the pictures, and what are those watermarks on the pictures? What do they mean?

Just asking.


reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 11:31 PM by Swills
reply to post by sonnny1



I got them from the site I posted in my OP. I got that link from another forum I visit. I've been looking for any news coverage about this protest but it all gets drowned out by the Embassy attacks. The water marks probably to a Libyan news outlet but good luck finding it
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reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 11:35 PM by sonnny1
reply to post by Swills



K.

I was thinking some local news agency too.

Good luck searching for it.



Oh BTW, S&F



reply posted on 12-9-2012 @ 11:38 PM by GarrusVasNormandy
reply to post by Swills



These probably are the very same people who were protesting peacefully outside the embassy before an armed & organized gang of terrorist began the attacks. And now they're back the very next day letting America know they had nothing to do with this.


You know this as a fact? Tell me where you found about that, since you consider that expanding without information is a bit wrong.

Nice edit to that first paragraph.


So again, we can find conspiracies in anything but it doesnt mean it's true.


Yes, and again, that has nothing to do with the questions I'm making. I always question my sources and the information, don't take it personally, as you said.

Tell me, what Libyan dictator staged the protests? You are aware since the 2011 civil war terrorists have been having their way with Libya.


Don't be condescending, you are awful at it.

It's not unusual to see protests against and in support of a leader, especially dictators. Sometimes one of the sides is oppressed, like the opposition to Kim Jun-Un in North Korea, but in others you see both, like the pro and anti Assad's regime protests.

In those events, a lot of people claim the support demonstrations are staged and payed off by the dictators mentioned, not because it's true, but because it has happened before, and usually people don't cheer for the guys who kill their families and trash their economies.

Saddam Hussein also proves that.


reply posted on 13-9-2012 @ 12:14 AM by wirefly
reply to post by Crakeur


No you aren't. I would love with all of my heart to believe this was spontaneous. Buuuuut, I also feel like it's a big set-up. I believe that the sentiment is probably true with most Libyans, just as it is with most Americans.

What a great star on my data file it would be for me to share this "sympathizing" link. I hate that they have stiffled me like that. Bastards!!!


reply posted on 13-9-2012 @ 12:45 AM by jiggerj
reply to post by Swills



This is not a rant, but a calm observation. These Muslims claiming that most don't agree with the extremist views don't even question why god/allah would allow his religion to be used in ways that is so violent and deadly. Does allah not have the power to stop it? If not, then he is not a god.

Also, if you were a member of a club, and some members take the club rules to mean abusing and murdering non-club members is mandatory, what do you do?

First, you shut down the club!
Second, you go after the killers!

What you don't do is tell the public, "Hey, sorry, some of don't approve of these extremist views." Not agreeing with these views doesn't stop the killing.

I feel for these people, but if they want to make their religion a beacon of light in the world, then they have to go after the extremists and put them down hard.


reply posted on 13-9-2012 @ 01:25 AM by bluemirage5
reply to post by Swills



There are NOT billions of Muslims, the number worldwide is approx 1.4 billion and a majority of them are Indonesians & Malaysians!
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