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posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 06:50 PM
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In the West, they would sit on death row for 30 years waiting for appeal after appeal, then they would die of old age.

Criminals in the West laugh at the leniency of the so called justice system.

On several counts, Sharia law is way more effective.




posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
I Just don't see how a insanely rich nation like Saudi, which has a very low crime rate thanks to the majority of the country being well off, should be living in the middle ages.


I can tell you have never been there - I have. The country is rich - the "people" are not. They have a large portion of the population that lives off government assistance and nothing more. They are hardly "well off" I'd say the majority of Saudis live a standard of living we would consider "subsistence level" at best.

The crime rate is low because crime there has an actual consequence.

Do the royals literally get away with murder, in some cases I bet literally; however, our western civilization's system of crime and punishment is just as pliable when it comes to those with means.

All societies have a segment of the population that lives beyond/above its laws. In Saudi Arabia it’s the royalty, same in England, here it is the rich, in Somalia or Sudan it is the one with the most guns...

No system of justice written, conceived and enforced by men will ever be without this disparity.



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 07:07 PM
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Just to reiterate the point...


- There is an estimated population of 20,850 million people that live in the borders of Saudi Arabia, about 5,000 hold over 400 billion dollars of the countries currency. United States and other countries around the world have a common misconception that Saudi Arabia has an unlimited amount of money, due to their petroleum exports.
- In Saudi Arabia the upper class is the government, and they have set up a monarchy referred to as the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. This gives them the power to dictate how much each family receives.
- Petroleum accounts for 90% of Saudi Arabia's exports, making it the largest exporter in the whole world. It also accounts for up to 75% of the Kingdom's profits. The government tries to support its people but there is a large population that does not receive benefits from its countries profitability.
-The Kingdom now holds about 20 million citizens that qualify as lower middle class to extreme poverty.
-The truth about Saudi Arabia is that about 40% of the countries GDP goes straight to the few extremely fortunate.

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posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000[/]
I admire the no tolerance. No plea bargains. No lawyers crying about childhood trauma's, not getting their date at prom or the coach being mean to them in high school..among all the other excuses we hear for the chosen actions of human predators. 0 tolerance and a system of absolutes in punishment is a system with deterrence value. OUR system is Las Vegas gambling in a court room on almost every single criminal case that gets that far. It's absurd...and that was the point and basis of my comments.



Could not agree more. But the punishment has to fit the crime. To harsh a punishment and you would have criminals resorting to extreme measures to evade capture.



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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There is no elegance in chopping of peoples hands, poking out eyes, and sawing heads off. If you think there is then that is sick.


I admire the no tolerance. No plea bargains.


So you get off on punishing people regardless of the circumstances. Sick. This is why so many Republicans are scary and regressive.



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posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 08:31 PM
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You explained your opinion well enough, they are just trying to drum up drama and hyperbole to counter your thoughts.....but to them




posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 08:37 PM
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Saw the title and was in complete agreement,.
this is the way our court system should be about crimes in the US
Rape= castration and maybe death afterwards
Steal=loose a digit, hand, or arm, depending on the crime
murder=death
things would be so much more simple and Im sure crime would decrease



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
So you get off on punishing people regardless of the circumstances.


So you get off on the belief that a criminal should get a lighter sentence or none at all as long as the person has some sort of sad tale of woe to justify their conscious decision to break the law?

Criminal activity requires a conscious choice to act there is no accidental crime no mitigating circumstance can undo it.

Does it matter how poor one was, their absence of a father, lack of education, or increasingly popular special status as a minority to the victim? I doubt it very much.

None of that should matter when the sentence is given or carried out. The criminal took none of those things into account when they decided to commit armed robbery, or any other crime however, minor in your eyes.

Action - consequence. Learned at a young age is invaluable. It is unfortunate that some do not have the capacity to understand it unless the consequence is very severe.


Originally posted by RealSpoke
Sick. This is why so many Republicans are scary and regressive.


Sick, this is why so many Democrats are so scary and progressive.

My fondest wish for you and those like you is that you finally get to live in the society that views criminal behavior to be a symptom rather than the disease it is. You probably believe that poverty and circumstance are the disease and that without it the symptoms that are crime would disappear? Lack of moral character and knowing right from wrong are the disease, sir not poverty or lack of education as you stated "circumstances". many a wealthy man lacks a sense of morality many an uneducated man can tell right from wrong.

Symptoms come and go but left untreated the underlying disease itself unless removed will come back often with increasingly worse symptoms over time.

Poor moral character is the disease/cause of crime nothing more - circumstances are irrelevant. Everyone has a circumstance when we get to the point in which everyone thinks theirs is so special that it justifies criminal action and the majority agrees it will be the end of man. I fear we are not far from that state here in the US.

I caution you the disease is very contagious especially if one ignores the symptoms out of a sense of sympathy or compassion – soon the disease will spread and infect society as a whole.

Again, I hope to not live in such a society but may you live to see the progressive disease run its course...



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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Love how you jump the political gun, but didn't address this post at all.

Not one person has said anything about politics in this thread til you.

Your ideals are really beginning to show.

ETA: Do I need to start posting numbers about capital punishment and its effectiveness and ineffectiveness too?
edit on 11-9-2012 by thesungod because: see eta



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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There was nothing to say to your post.



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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If all you guys who think society would be better if you remove body parts from criminals are serious then why haven't you moved to countries where such practices are carried out. If you like regressive social systems I'm sure the Taliban is accepting new recruits all the time. If you trained hard you might even get a job as a Saudi executioner. Just imagine it could be you sawing off a eighteen year old burgular's hand or decapitating a armed robber.



posted on Sep, 11 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Who are you to talk about moral character?

You made fun of a soldier feeling sad from killing a civilian in front of his family for no reason during the Iraq war. www.abovetopsecret.com... You claimed murdering civilians when ordered to was "what it means to be a solider".

And you said this; " Have I had instances of collateral damage - you bet. Do I regret them- nope " www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's clear you find death no big deal and have an extreme low value on human life. You are at the bottom of the barrel in morality.

It's actually sick that a murderer is going to talk down on poor people that steal things. Take your elitism elsewhere, you have blood on your hands and feel no remorse or any other negative emotion.


So you get off on the belief that a criminal should get a lighter sentence or none at all as long as the person has some sort of sad tale of woe to justify their conscious decision to break the law?


Nah. Now you're just trying to skew things by saying "sad" tale. If someone kills someone by accident they should be treated differently than someone who goes out and actively pursues a murder. Someone who steals a piece of candy should be treated differently than someone who steals $100,000.


Criminal activity requires a conscious choice to act there is no accidental crime no mitigating circumstance can undo it.


Wrong. You can accidentally back up without seeing a person and kill them.


Does it matter how poor one was, their absence of a father, lack of education, or increasingly popular special status as a minority to the victim? I doubt it very much.


Now we can see where your mind is. But if a starving person steals some food, then yes it does gander a special status. As they were using their biological drive to survive.


Sick, this is why so many Democrats are so scary and progressive.


lol@ thinking societal progression is a bad thing. It's funny that someone is advocating murder of petty criminals is calling me scary.



You probably believe that poverty and circumstance are the disease and that without it the symptoms that are crime


Why do you keep harping on about poor people? Only poor people commit crimes now? Can we say projecting? Check out wallstreet and washington bro.

Circumstance can only be attributed to certain crimes. Other crimes that is obsolete, like rape. Shoplifting food when you have none is another story.
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posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 12:58 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke

Originally posted by thesungod
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CIA Fact book backs it up...

CIA World Fact Book on the USA


All of the violent crimes have majorly decreased over the decades. We have the highest crime rate because of the ton of victimless crime laws, which are driven by for profit prisons.


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I disagree with the chart. The chart says PER 100,000 PEOPLE....don't forget that ratios change over time because the population is increasing. That doesn't mean crime goes down...in fact it is the OPPOSITE. Stats can be confusing. Colorful chart though



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 07:11 AM
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So you frequently post three year old data, that leaves out huge portions of data into the grouping and call it good?

Then when it's debunked, you believe "there was nothing to reply to"?

You have some really profound posts here on ATS, don't pollute them with stuff and tactics like this man, it's bad juju man.



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 07:42 AM
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Beheading is so drastic. I think they should have been lynched instead. Maybe I just watched too many westerns or something. Firing squads seemed appropriate also. These new wimpy lethal injections we use now were invented by the pharma companies.
bullets or rope is cheaper.



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 07:44 AM
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People are getting smarter, they hide the dead bodies better so they don't get found. Has the missing persons rate increased?



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 08:06 AM
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Indeed they are. Missing persons are up by 26.6% and Unidentified bodies has flat-lined over all since 2003.

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posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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Better system than what we got. We put them on deathrow for 25 years in which they usually die from natural causes before their sentance is carried out, and then we have to pay for their indoor basketball courts and gymnasiums, their free cable tv and pornos and 3 squares a day and their state paid healthcare. We used to try, convict and then hang them the next morning. The governments claim it costs 8 million dollars to execute someone, you can go to a hardware store and buy a 15 dollar rope, and it isn't hard or expensive building a gallows, i think it's just an excuse to not execute criminals.



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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If one word answers were allowed, all this would say is "Meh". But for the sake of a meaningful response, I'll elaborate. Basically, that's the way things work over there. If you know you might get your head pruned, then don't rob people with guns and knives. I know that if I drove down the motorway flat out, there's a good chance I could end up underneath a lorry with my brain turned into a protein shake. It doesn't stop other people doing it.

We are too sensitive to death in the West. A lot of countries accept it both as punishment and an eventuality.



posted on Sep, 12 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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What is more humane. keeping people locked up for twenty five years or putting them down. What is more inhumane, giving criminals that can not be reformed a life without working for a living or good people having to work harder and longer to pay for the criminals stay in prison. People who commit small crimes need to be reformed and jail will help. A hardened repeat offender should be disposed of if it is evident he/she can't be reformed to fit into society. This technique of execution may keep the young from thinking of committing bad crimes. I'm sure that people who are worried their kids may someday snap and do something will disagree with me. To them I say, teach your children not to do these things. remind them often that it is not good to steal or hurt others. Would you want your child endangered by people like this being out in the streets. The knowledge alone of capital punishment like this will keep people from harming others.






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