Why the Pentagon?

I believe the Pentagon was hit, because its a symbol worldwide, that represents the American Military. It was always thought, that the former USSR would target the Pentagon also.

The Pentagon is the world's largest office building by floor area, with about 6,500,000 sq ft (600,000 m2), of which 3,700,000 sq ft (340,000 m2) are used as offices.[2][3] Approximately 28,000 military and civilian employees[3] and about 3,000 non-defense support personnel work in the Pentagon. It has five sides, five floors above ground, two basement levels, and five ring corridors per floor with a total of 17.5 mi (28.2 km)[3] of corridors. The Pentagon includes a five-acre (20,000 m2) central plaza, which is shaped like a pentagon and informally known as "ground zero", a nickname originating during the Cold War and based on the presumption that the Soviet Union would target one or more nuclear missiles at this central location in the outbreak of a nuclear war.[4]

The Pentagon

Ya know what? It just seems silly to keep having this argument again and again. "There are non so blind as those who will not see"

Agree to disagree. Agree to revisit all the evidence together with an open mind. Agree to work as a team looking at everything for and against the official story. Agree to leave your current beliefs at the door and start from scratch.

I address the above paragraph to everyone regardless of their current opinion on 9-11. Not just one side or the other.

This won't happen though will it? Do you know why? Commitment Bias. The longer you argue your side the more committed you are to that argument. You have a lot invested in it because of all the work you have done defending your position. You thus become committed to your argument rather than the truth, or even resolving the disagreement. Commitment Bias will not allow any of us on either side of the argument to approach the others arguments with logic or empathy.

Of course there is also the case that many are too arrogant. They say they already know the truth, and so it not necessary to ask (or answer) any further questions.

Which category do you fall in to? Are you willing to put down your commitment, or your arrogance, and start again from scratch together with those from both sides of the argument? Look openmindedly at all the evidence from both sides with an honest eye? Don't tell me! You already have lol OK. Whatever. Have fun.

reply to post by Shamatt


Your post does not really apply here. I do not have commitment bias. I have looked at the evidence. And the evidence supports that American Airlines Flight 77 was hijacked by terrorists and crashed into the Pentagon.

reply to post by hanyak69

They re-enforced the windows but not the walls ? That is the mentality the walls are weak but our windows can take whatever you got. That is also why there are so many holes in the official story, cause the people that only want strong windows are the same idiots the re-enforced windows in weak paper thin walls

Walls were reinforced with an internal liner to prevent fragmentation in case of a bombing

Also had to change way windows were anchored to the walls to support them


911research.wtc7.net...

Really shoild do some research on the subject ..........

reply to post by Shamatt


Well then, please present your evidence about Flight 77. I'm always open to reasoned discussion.

reply to post by CthulhuMythos

Oh really? I never came across any reports/photos etc of bodies strapped to seats being found

Let me help you.....

On Tuesday, Army Staff Sgt. Mark Williams witnessed a combat zone for the first time in his 11 years of service. He never imagined it would be inside the Pentagon. One of the first recovery personnel to enter the crippled headquarters building after a hijacked Boeing 757 smashed into it, the urban search-and-rescue specialist found a gruesome sight. "If anyone has ever burned a pot roast, they'll know what the victims looked like," Williams, 30, said Thursday after another 12-hour shift of searching for 190 bodies — those of 126 missing Pentagon personnel and the 64 aboard the doomed jetliner.

When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

Or from a FEMA Urban Search & Rescue member

"I did see airplane seats and a corpse still strapped to one of the seats."
Capt. Jim Ingledue, Virginia Beach Fire Dept.

Seatrch crews found bodies of passengers still in their seats inside burned out section of Pentagon

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to [14937992]post by Shamatt[/url]

 

Well then, please present your evidence about Flight 77. I'm always open to reasoned discussion.

Thank you - this is the sort of open mindedness I was hoping for. (Also I have to apologise for my last post in this thread. Rude of me - If it hadn't been deleted I would withdraw it)

Watch all 9 parts of this, as I have (twice, to make sure I understood it) It shows the official story is not possible. It contains interviews with police officers who confirmed (with no knowledge of the official story) that the plane was not where it was said to have been. And a dozen other people who all say the same thing.

It shows that it was not possible for the plane to have descended from the altitude given by the NTSB to the point where it struck the Pentagon. Physically impossible. "Ye can'ne change the laws of physics, Jim" ;O)

There is a lot of other interesting info in there too.

Just watch with an open mind and let me know what you think. It will take a while to watch all 9 parts, but it is worth while and should prompt some serious questions.

There. I am willing to look at anything you wish me to look at to debunk this video. No problem.

Bush wasn`t at the whitehouse when the attacks happened he was in florida at a school reading a book to the kids.
news cameras were rolling when a dude came into the classroom and whispered in bush`s ear telling him about the attacks.

I would also be very interested to learn why the feds confiscated every last bit of security camera footage from all round the area and refuse to release it to anyone. Surely this would make the official story more believable if they did. After all, it should show the aircraft approaching the pentagon. At the moment their refusal to share the confiscated footage is highly suspicious.

"why the pentagon and not the whitehouse?"

It's simple, really. The targets on 9/11 were all easy to hit. The WTC towers were the tallest landmarks in New york, towering above nearby buildings, and visible for miles in every direction.

The pentagon is enormous, more than 1000 feet across. and with 6.5 million square feet of office space, is the world's largest office building. Together with it's distinctive shape, it's size makes it a relatively easy target to hit, not to mention its significance to national security and symbolic importance as the nervous system of the nation's military establishment.

The whitehouse, as we usually think of it from the photograph that you provide, including the oval office, and the parts visible from the surrounding streets, is actually quite small. The old part of the white house, including the iconic porches is in fact smaller than the wingspan of the 747, less than 200 feet (not including the practically important, but symbolically insignificant west and east wings. Check it out on google maps. I don't think it's an impossible target to hit, by any means, but much harder than either the pentagon (enormous) or the capitol, which is by law, the tallest building in DC, and much larger than the white house.

Earlier posts in this thread indicate that there was some debate in the Al Qaeda leadership as to which targets were the best for the DC end of the operation; Capitol VS. white house. Ultimately, we will never know the intended target of the airliner that crashed in Shanksville, PA. Until its final few minutes, it was clearly making a beeline for the DC area. What its pilots intended beyond that is to some degree unknown, and the blanks must be filled in by intelligence, interrogation, and other methods that are also uncertain.

reply to post by Shamatt


not to be a knob, but do you have any evidence that there are any confiscated tapes that really should show the aircrafts' approach to the pentagon?

Security cameras at gas stations and hotels are pointed at the areas surrounding them, and not generally at the sky, but rather intended to catch thieves and vandals and gas station drive-offs at the ground level.

Can you tell us which security footage should have shown the approach of the airplane?

reply to post by Shamatt


I'm sorry, but Mr. Balsamo and his cohorts from P4T are not new to the forum here. Their videos play fast and loose with the facts and in sone cases, willingly mislead the viewers. Using them as evidence, doesn't wash.

So the new documentary OFFENSIVE the story of Tony Farrell on the 9/11 and 7/7 conspiracy covers the pentagon video, etc. very well

I'm just now watching SEPTEMBER 11: Evidence to the Contrary REDUX 2006

I'm amazed at how many 9/11 conspiracy documentaries there are but considered the overwhelming evidence of the inside job conspiracy this is not too surprising.

What is surprising is the "official story" conspiracists not willing to engage with the evidence presented for the inside job.

O.K. but then "might is right" when it comes down to it -- those in power do not need to intellectually engage with the evidence of an inside job. This, of course, includes those who align themselves with the Democrats because an inside job also includes CIA drug trading as funding for both political parties and the banking system, etc.

So 9/11 needs to be considered in the larger context -- Daniel Hopsicker and Sander Hicks both do this well.

But it's kind of like Noam Chomsky -- how many even really read his books not to mention just his lighter "interviews" as books? I know the Inside Job people get all hot under the collar about Noam Chomsky but he has the same view about JFK -- basically Noam is a structuralist so whether there was a conspiracy or not doesn't matter because the whole system is corrupt and routinely relies on conspiracies to be operational. To NOam the U.S. constitution is a conspiracy by the rich -- and Noam Chomsky even quotes Rousseau stating that civilization is a conspiracy!!

So just because Noam won't investigate 9/11 doesn't mean he doesn't think conspiracies don't happen but only that trying to prove them within a corrupt system and structure is a "false framework" of debate. It's like trying to ask for UFO E.T. disclosure -- it's not going to happen simply because even if the elites admitted that 9/11 was an Inside Job would you believe them? Why suddenly believe them when they've been lying the whole time!

Nope only "we the people" can build a new structure of society so no reason to rely on any elites to provide answers for us. Yes 9/11 was the Reichstag Fire for the U.S. but we need to realize there is an accelerating trajectory of conspiratorial crises. The banking collapse makes 9/11 look like practically nothing even though 9/11 was used to justify the military spending that required a domestic "bubble" economy. The thing is that the Wall Street collapse was about to happen right at 9/11 also.

So Michael Ruppert is correct about the next focus being on the Oil Peak and the acceleration of lack of resources -- consider now the Food Price Crisis from global warming causing destruction of 60% of U.S. corn.
Now consider that in relation to the hurricanes and Fukushima and fracking and the trans-sands oil pipeline catastrophe and coal mountain top removal -- the environmental crisis is accelerating due to oil running out.

This is all total chaos and the only thing to do is to cling to the Earth to ground ourselves -- humanure composting as gardening is the secret to sustainable food based on micronutrients for the soil -- as was practiced as the norm for Asia and even the Berbers of Morocco and in the Amazon jungle as "Terra Vida." So what is more basic than humanure as money -- since food is money -- and humanure composting saves water and electricity from not needing to flush a toilet. It sounds simple but the truly radical thing is to redesign society from the ground up -- flushing a toilet is flushing money. The real conspiracy is Western civilization with an accelerating logarithmic expansion of spatial destruction of ecology that causes an acceleration of time -- technology speeds everything up. Automation is the number one cause of job loss yet no one wants to talk about automation as job loss.

So voluntary simplicity is the answer. The political system is inherently corrupt as it's based on logarithmic mathematics posing as arithmetic (democratic voting). Logarithmic math assumes a logarithmic distribution of wealth with the elite in control based on conspiracies. The only way out is to challenge logarithmic math itself and this is done through quantum biology as time-frequency uncertainty -- what Dr. Mae-Han Ho calls "quantum jazz" -- quantum entanglement is the real conspiracy as it can not be reproduced as macroquantum technology. Quantum biology is just too complex for even the supercomputers due to the inherent chaos relations -- there has to be a Quantum Zeno Effect to delay the collapse or decoherence of the quantum entanglement.

9/11 was an inside job but the message is that everything is an inside job because reality is holographic. The technology used was not holographic but our consciousness to perceive the technology is holographic.

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer
reply to post by Shamatt

 

not to be a knob, but do you have any evidence that there are any confiscated tapes that really should show the aircrafts' approach to the pentagon?

Security cameras at gas stations and hotels are pointed at the areas surrounding them, and not generally at the sky, but rather intended to catch thieves and vandals and gas station drive-offs at the ground level.

Can you tell us which security footage should have shown the approach of the airplane?

I dunno - never been there. Can yo tell me why anyone would confiscate all the tapes and not let anyone see them. Just speculate if you like..........

Edited to add - the reason they did not attack the White House is because too many people would have seen that it was not a civilian jet that crashed into it.

Originally posted by elitegamer23

Originally posted by CthulhuMythos

after seeing your picture, if that is a real airplane hit, i see no reason the white house couldnt have been hit as well.

when youre on a suicide mission, it doesnt hurt to try .

Yes I see what you mean, however, if it is an inside job, which seems to have more evidence pointing in that direction than in the old OBL direction, you would rather take out one side of your coincidentally newly beefed up to reduce the damage Pentagon building than a monumantal very old non beefed up government building which would have absolutely no protection for the people inside. Yes some people were killed in the Pentagoon hit, but it was kept to a minimum, especially since the records department had recently been moved to that very section....... what a stroke of luck that was eh?

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by CthulhuMythos

 

Oh really? I never came across any reports/photos etc of bodies strapped to seats being found

Let me help you.....

On Tuesday, Army Staff Sgt. Mark Williams witnessed a combat zone for the first time in his 11 years of service. He never imagined it would be inside the Pentagon. One of the first recovery personnel to enter the crippled headquarters building after a hijacked Boeing 757 smashed into it, the urban search-and-rescue specialist found a gruesome sight. "If anyone has ever burned a pot roast, they'll know what the victims looked like," Williams, 30, said Thursday after another 12-hour shift of searching for 190 bodies — those of 126 missing Pentagon personnel and the 64 aboard the doomed jetliner.

When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

Or from a FEMA Urban Search & Rescue member

"I did see airplane seats and a corpse still strapped to one of the seats."
Capt. Jim Ingledue, Virginia Beach Fire Dept.

Seatrch crews found bodies of passengers still in their seats inside burned out section of Pentagon

Thank you very much, this is news to me! Will go and find the sources now that you have given me some quotes and add it to my dossier of 911 happenings.

reply to post by CthulhuMythos


Source I excerpted quote from is found here

www.911myths.com...

Also refer to the book FIREFIGHT by Patrick Creed/Rick Newman

Goes into detail about attack, fighting the resultant fires and cleanup/recovery at the scene including finding
of bodies still in seats

www.amazon.com...

reply to post by thedman


Thank you, thank you! Links muchly appreciated.

reply to post by Shamatt


The videos that had ANY evidentiary value were released long ago. There was no one functional camera that would have given a decent view of Flight 77.