I was attacked last night, and didn't know what to do!

I think the earbud thing is now beating a dead horse, so lets cut 'em some slack. mmkay?

I'm a big fan of wasp killer or bee blaster !! The stuff is cheap , about 8 bucks a can and comes out like a fire extinguisher !! It has a range of about 15 feet !! I keep a can in my jeep and when i go for walks in the nature trails near my house . It's great on hornets nests too !!

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Just want to point out that it may be illegal in your area to use this type of chemical against a human even in a defensive capacity. You should be able to get a pretty potent pepper spray legally however.

Originally posted by pauljs75

Now if you just want to mess somebody up enough for a quick get away... Practice holding your hand with fingers slightly hooked (fingers should curl semi-relaxed) and hitting stuff really fast and hard with your fingertips. (It's going to hurt, but do as much as you can bear so you know you can hit like that.) If you can manage to do hit an area of the bottom of assailant's voicebox like that while staying above the collar bone, they're likely going down. (Be aware though that if you're too good at it, they might not ever get up.) If the throat area is not an opening, then the technique might be used against eyes, gut, or armpits but to lesser effect. (However if they know any martial arts or are expecting something like that, you still might be screwed.)

is this what you're talking about??

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You aren't having reconstructive surgery.

So it sounds like you did fine.

Other than that? Keep yourself covered and push them away then run.

Originally posted by kcs7272
reply to post by Nola213

 

The strongest martial art period? Maybe in a ring WITH RULES. There are no true rules on the street. As I stated before Striking arts are more street efficient. If you can find a REAL school. Most schools hand out rank like candy.

Seriously try to grapple someone on the street. First off it is made of concrete it is not a padded ring. Secondly there are no rules or a referee to end the match if you're hurt or he taps out. Also try grappling your attacker when his buddies or drunken bystanders may stomp your head in or worse while you try and submit choke out or dispatch your opponent.

Don't get me wrong I believe in learning grappling AS AN ADDITIVE TO STRIKING. Truthfully to say any Martial art is the strongest is just plain naive. And naivety can get you killed. As I mentioned I have trained in multiple arts for over 25 years and taught for a living as well as being a bouncer in some pretty messed up bars.

NO MARTIAL ART IS THE STRONGEST! You must combine them to suit your needs and to be well rounded.

I do want to say I agree with what you said about cross training.

edit on 11/12/2010 by kcs7272 because: added more info

I said if you HAD to pick only one art form that Jiu Jitsu would be the one. It's the most street applicable, and the best all around for self-defense.

But as I said, it's best to learn a combination of Martial arts and take the best from each. Not just one.

In conclusion, a pure striker with no grappling skills, will get handled every time by a BJJ black belt any time any place, on concrete, grass,in water, or on the beaches of Rio. This is a proven fact. Google. Rickson Gracie. The striker will be Choked out in under a minute.

Google and watch the James Toney vs. Randy Couture fight, and look what happens to a pure boxer that has no skills at all in grappling. Now that could have happened in a parking lot just as easily as in that cage.

Striking is EXTREMELY important to be a well rounded Mixed Martial artist I'm not arguing that. But I'm just saying if you put a pure striker (Kickboxer,TKD,Muay Thai ect) with minimal to zero grappling skills or knowledge vs. a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Black Belt. I will bet on the BJJ black belt to win by submission 99 out of 100 times. But nowadays Any fighter worth his salt is going to be trained in several different forms of martial arts.

It's widely agreed that Wrestling is actually the best "base" to start off with as a Mixed Martial Artist. Because haveing the ability to dictace whether the fight goes to the ground or stays standing is very important, and a huge advantge. All these grappling and wrestling techniques have been modified to work on the street/concrete as well.

Here for the OP'er, watch this series of You-tube videos If you want to learn some quick simple but effective techniques.

BAS RUTTEN




enjoy.

Originally posted by benrl
If your seriously concerned take a self defense class, and or purchase some mace, tazer, collapsible baton, and or any number of non lethal options.

There are more options depending on where you live, if in the US, there is always a CCW permit, but thats kind of a nuclear option when just dealing with punk kids.

Nah, get a big ass freaking Dirty Harry gun..

They won't bother you again.

I would say take some quality MMA lessons, there are trainers out there who can teach you quite a bit and give you practice enough to instinctively use them.

the problem with defense classes are the fact that most are directed towards women, and the problem with martial arts is, they are VERY effective...when facing someone using the same martial art. MMA will teach you how to disable a person regardless.

remember there are no rules in a street fight no matter what anyone says.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Aside from firearms I believe Krav maga and Shotokan (karate) to be the most effective fighting forms, both utilizing knees and elbows for close attacks. Aikido is also very effective but as with all martial arts they take years to learn and master.
Walking away was the wisest move you could have made. Taking on one guy plus all his buddies would have been suicide.
If you can't avoid trouble use overwhelming force and every cheap shot available (throwing drink or dirt in their eyes, groin kicks, shin kicks, etc)

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I second Krav Maga...

People will tell you to do this ju jitsu, karate, or boxing when in fact none of this helps you on the street.

KRAV MAGA is what you need.

No fancy moves, in and out. fist, knifes or guns.

Originally posted by bigcountry08
So I was sitting on the couch last night after the incident trying to make it seem like the whole thing didn't bother me. Trying to think of what I would have done, and I came to the conclusion that I didn't know. I had no clue what I would have done if that guy had come up behind me and tripped me to the ground or just flat out kidney punched me. So I now realize that I need to do something about this. I need to know what to do in order to take down another human being.

Ok so I'm 6'5" 275 lbs in good shape though I'm 52 now. I spent 28 years in the military and can handle myself as best as the next guy, most likely much better....

With all my training, size etc my secret is concealed carry. ... not Sh.t The deal is you might be able to handle one attacker...arm him with a club or knife and you are in trouble...make that one guy and two on lookers laughing at you that could jump in at any time and you are in trouble, quick unexpected attack that puts you in a very bad position and you are in trouble...get my point?

What you need to do is get trained and not just on shooting a weapon, but also to handle your fight or flight response. The typical person will melt under stress like this and will be as good as a limp noodle with or without a gun. You need to learn to deal with your adrenalin rush of flight or fight, and that way you will make instant correct decisions as needed.

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I would sign everything Xtrozero said.

You need to train handling of this kind of situations. Knowledge of martial arts won't help you
if you can't handle the situation

Learning Krav maga will teach you how to handle few opponents, even armed. I don't know Krav maga but my female relative trains it and she is 55 kg and very deadly. She can handle 2 securities from clubs without any problems.
I have some kind of fear when i'm around her hehehe

Or buy a dog. I run 5 times a week through our biggest park (big forrest inside) and I come across different kind of maniacs. I'm short 1m 75cm and merely 80kg so maniacs like to threat me but dog (about 30kg but loud as hell) keeps them away.

Maybe some basic military training will help you also (helped me, i was infantry so they learned me how to deal with thugs)

Hope you'll never get attacked again

Originally posted by bigcountry08
Last night I had my mind shaken to the core. As I was taking my nightly walk after my run, just minding my business enjoying a podcast of "Stuff You Should Know", some stupid half drunk thug kid ran up behind me and stomped as hard as he could. Startled me a little and ticked me off a lot, so I turned around sneered at him and walked away, while his buddies whooped and hollered for a minute or two at me.

As I walked away I realized something, I never heard a thing until he was right there behind me. So he could basically have done anything to me and I would have been helpless. I like to think of myself as a prepared survivalist. I know most of the methods of creating fire, I know how to find/ gather water, I know basic trap making, and how to make basic tools and weapons out in the bush. I know basically everything I would ever need to survive in the wilderness except how to fight.

Sure I'm athletic, I run 20 miles a week, weight train 4 days a week, and do yoga 3 days. But I don't really know the first thing about fighting someone, I have only ever been in one fight in my life and that was in second grade so I don't really count it. I know a lot about pressure points, and the limitations of human joints, but I don't really know how to utilize it in combat.

So I was sitting on the couch last night after the incident trying to make it seem like the whole thing didn't bother me. Trying to think of what I would have done, and I came to the conclusion that I didn't know. I had no clue what I would have done if that guy had come up behind me and tripped me to the ground or just flat out kidney punched me. So I now realize that I need to do something about this. I need to know what to do in order to take down another human being.

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It's called a gun. A knife with less than a 4" blade is a must as well.

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Take a self defense class and/or apply for concealed weapons permit.
At the very least, always carry mace or pepper spray and sample it on the wall/post etc. so you have confidence in how it works.

My favorite move is to grab someone by the wrist from your left hand to their left wrist (which is to your right), pull forward on subject's wrist so you twist the subject to your left where the subject's back is facing you and therefor unable to harm you; then put them in a headlock and chokem till the person can no longer harm you or till they pass out by cutting off their main arteries to the brain cutting off the oxygen. Works very well and less 'damage'.

Originally posted by ruderalis1
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Sign up with a local Brazilian Jiu Jitsu instructor...Most fights end up on the ground so knowing Jiu Jitsu will prob save your ass...Unless the guy attacking you is a monster, then you need to shoot him lol

But yeah Wrestling and Jiu Jitsu.

And a concealed weapons permit

I Would agree with this to a point Brazilian Jiu Jitsu would be good to learn However you never want to go to the ground in a street fight if you can avoid it. If you had gone to the ground in that situation even if you were in complete control of the opponent his buddies would have been right there to start kicking you in the head back ribs kidneys etc. or even pulled a knife.


You need to learn some stand up fighting along with the grappling too. I would recommend to see if you can find a good MMA gym that has an emphasis on self defense. Otherwise I would recommend finding a Muay Thai instructor along with a good Jiu Jitsu instructor. Some of the folks in either of those disciplines can probably recommend someone who teaches the other. if nothing else learning some boxing and wrestling would be good too.

For now get some pepper spray and get a CCW permit too. Carry both, the spray is for non lethal defense the CCW is if it escalates to you being in fear for your life.

Krav Maga might be ok except there are a lot of fake Krav Maga Instructors. If you look into it make sure they have a legitimate instructor tree you can verify do your homework and only join a gym that does live hard training and sparring. In other words practices as close to realistically as possible without hurting each other, no fly swatting in slow motion.

I disagree with the Guy who says jiu Jtsu and boxing etc will do you no good any good training will give you the edge over a street thug with no training or very little. Also plan on committing yourself to at least two years of regular training otherwise you are wasting your time. So called two or three week self defense courses are worthless because you will lose it all when your adrenaline kicks in. Most people need a good couple of years of training to make it second nature so you do not have to think you just react and your training kicks in.

Although this wasn’t an attack, it could have been and should serve as a wakeup call. The first part of any defense is identifying the threat. To do this you have to raise your awareness. I work in law enforcement and we have classes on this very issue. Most of society walks around oblivious to their surroundings.

An example one day I was transporting an inmate through an airport. He was handcuffed in leg irons and wearing an orange jumpsuit that said Inmate on it. My partner and I were wearing black suits and obviously escorting this inmate. You would be amazed how many people would try to walk in between us and our inmate. I would put my arm out and say, “excuse me” not letting them in between us. It would be then that they would realize what was going on. They were totally surprised and would apologize immediately as they jumped back. These weren’t punks trying to get a rise out of me but regular joe’s and old ladies off in there own world not paying attention.

As a survivalist it would behoove you to work on raising your awareness you would be amazed at what you may see going on around you that you never noticed before. At first it will be tiring. It requires a lot more concentration at the start but soon it will become second nature. In fact it’s going back to how your body was originally wired. We have as a society turned off this defense mechanism. You can be the badest dude out there, but if someone can sneak up on you it’s over. Anyways that’s your 1st step. Then I would suggest some Judo classes. Judo stands for the “gentle way” and uses your opponent’s energy and aggression against them.

One last story, we had a bad shooting here where a guy returned to his work place with a gun and killed 5 people (this was years ago). One of the survivors who was shot, was shot in his hand and the head. When we reviewed the video tape this survivor walked up to the gun man and held his hand out to him. When asked about it he said he never saw the gun and thought the gunman was holding out his hand for a handshake.

I was walking through town a couple of years back and saw a girl walk straight out in front of a bus without even looking. Even when the bus slammed on the brakes and threw several standing passengers on to the floor, she didn't notice. She is lucky to be alive but the injured passengers probably didn't feel so lucky. All this was because she was miles away listening to her iPod. Lesson to be learned... don't be distracted and block out noise with earphones when you are in the street or somewhere that you need to be alert to danger. Never underestimate the importance of hearing because your eyes don't necessarily see even when they are looking!

Originally posted by EyesWideShut
THE COLOR CODES OF SURVIVAL

THE WHITE STATE OF MIND. The white state of mind is a condition where the person is totally unaware of his or her surroundings and has zero tactical thoughts about his or her safety. This is an acceptable state to be in while at home, maybe watching television, maybe studying. We cannot be in an alert state of mind at all times. However, this particular state of mind is a condition where the person is totally unaware.

THE YELLOW STATE OF MIND. In this mental state the person develops and maintains a 360-degree state of awareness. He or she is aware, therefore, of those around him/her, the general environment, and is a general state of awareness. He or she is aware of subtle changes in the environment, subtle and other changes in the body language and verbal content of others. This state of mind might be considered the initial, necessary stage of the Survival Psyche.

THE ORANGE STATE OF MIND. In this stage the person, who had maintained the Yellow Mental State, recognized a sign or two that things might not be copasetic with his or her personal safety interests. In this state of mind, the mentally conditioned student, teacher, administrator, or security officer automatically says to her or himself that “what I see concerns me, so I’d better start thinking about what I will do if the worst case scenario goes down.” If the person already has a Survival Plan for a scenario like the one he or she anticipates, it will be a matter of just committing to that plan. If, however, his or her observations provides a potential scenario he or she had not previously anticipated, the person now has to come up with a plan that better matches the threat.

THE RED STATE OF MIND. The Survival Psyche requires that you or I go through the yellow and orange state of mind in order to effectively respond to a threat in this state of mind. In Red, whatever we observed in Orange that could have posed a threat has gone wrong! The proverbial sh*t has smashed hard into the proverbial fan! However, you and I are Spinal Tuned for Action by going through this simple process. By Spinal Tuned I mean that our minds and our bodies are connected &, in this state, once we think of our plan we can immediately take Action (4 A’s: Aware/Assess/Anticipate/Action). I am not certain at which stage we should present ourselves with the proper survival attitude or thought, but whenever it happens the prevailing belief is: “This might be a dangerous situation, but I am ready for it!”

THE BLACK STATE OF MIND, however, is what I call the Catastrophe State of Mind! How does the Catstrophe State of Mind happen? Simple, Dudes and Dudettes. Our student, parent, teacher, security officer, or administrator remains locked into The White State of Mind, even though the tactical reality has changed. Therefore, he or she never notices changes in the surroundings, changes in the situation. Well, this sucks because what happens is when the person is suddenly surprised by the lethal threat, he or she must endeavor to place him or herself in the Red State of Mind, which is crucial for him to be able to do everything he or she must do to escape and evade the threat. Problem is, no mind, no brain can do this without freaking out! But try it must, so our brain tries to get to Red and leaps over Yellow and Orange and even Red and lands somewhere smack in the middle of nowhere, which we call Black.
And why do we call this Nowhere State of Mind Black? Because, in the end, the effect of the unaware brain trying to leap to Red is that for several seconds the brain “blacks out.”

Great post we use this in our training classes.

If I may offer some advice, I am not really a fighter myself, I had a few when I was a kid and into my teens but not anymore.

The one thing you have to remember nowadays when fighting is that adults do more damage than children, even if you are attacked and fight back, if you do some damage you could find yourself in court.

I would avoid confrontation first and foremost but if you are attacked it's probably best to run and if you can't then a quick punch to the face or a kick in the gentleman area lol will stagger most people. That should give you enough time to get away but don't be tempted to hang around and get stuck in or as I said it could get legal. Remember it's not a playground fight.

It may sound soft to run away but in the end it's probably for the best.