reply to post by glitchinthematrix
I think there are only a few scenarios that could actually work, but it all revolves around states breaking away from the union.
In order to have the support of the outside world, you would need to have a group of states making a pact to break from the federal government and
govern themselves, kind of a "US 2.0". That could gain recognition from the UN and other nations far more quickly than any long term battle for
control of the nation. The UN and other nations have long stated their belief in the right to self determination. There is a history of it in global
politics and no powerful or influential nation would be able to publicly deny that recognition.
But, all of this is a moot point while so few Americans can be bothered to get off their ass to protest. That's what needs to happen first. You need
to have the political will shown for all to see to get the discussion going. Although that began with the Occupy movement across the country (and
indeed the world) it didn't succeed in motivating people to get involved.
While the Occupy movement was gaining support all over the US, they were too early. It was a good start, but they'll be stronger next year when the
cuts and poverty really kick in for the average man and woman.
All the US has seen so far is a slowing of spending and the gradual decline of the economy. That's only hurting a select group of people. But when
the election is out of the way whoever is in power will have no choice but to actually start the austerity no one is talking about. Within months it
will be visible in the unemployment figures, house prices and GDP.
There will be far more people joining a movement next year than were willing to this year.
I brought up the issue of the "peaceful revolution" idea in the thread discussing the military conspiracy, with those serving men planning to start
something. Someone was showing support for their ideals. The fact is you can't go straight from "I'm angry with the government" to "lets start
killing people". That is not the way to do it. That's not a revolution, that's a half-assed attempt at a coup, and it is more of a terrorist plot
than any real attempt to change the nation for the better.
People need to protest in large numbers first, show the anger, tell them what needs to change. People need to follow the idea of asking government to
address their grievances (corporate control of gov, expensive wars, backing of Israel, secret groups like Bilderberg, banking corruption, removal of
freedoms, increasing of surveillance, cutting services...) then getting the response.
Once the peaceful part is done, you have the national support, then you push it depending on the response of government. We all know that a large
protest like that would garner a tough response from your government, but that response is then used to show the rest of the country what a police
state looks like.
IMO, the same thing would happen in the US as has happened everywhere else. The people demand change, the government cracks down on those people, the
guns come out and people are hurt, but it exposes the government for what it is. I can almost guarantee that if the people of the USA stood up like
the people of Egypt or Syria the US government would label them all as "terrorists" and "armed gangs" and do exactly what those despots did/are
That's how I think it would go, but the most important thing is that Americans haven't even protested in significant numbers. You can't even start
down this path unless there is a clear demand from the public for change, and right now far too many Americans are far too distracted by other things,
they believe the BS, they still think things are going to get better.
The true collapse hasn't even hit yet, and when it does, people will know it, and there will be hiding the fact that the government - whoever is the
figurehead - has failed and is failing. That will be the breaking point in my opinion, and that would be the time to start the peaceful protests.