If It's Our Constitutional Right to Overthrow Corrupt Government, Why Don't We Do It?

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posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 06:48 AM
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No, I don't really think you have that right ...

You have the right to replace the people, in the government ... but not to overthrow the government. According to your constitution.

And even if you wanted to overthrow the government, it is not enough for n-members to request this. You must establish an entity, that can replace the government ... without it, you're just a bunch of individuals without any collective right.




posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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I see many good ideas on this site that could be incorporated into fixing this government. It may take all the voters getting together to end congress as we know it. Many in the Republican and Democratic entities believe they rule the people when in fact they are representatives of the people. There have been many recalls on local basis to get smalltime conceited individuals out of office. When they fail to recall the person, sometimes the person changes to the better but sometimes they get more smug. We have created a serious problem here. While half the representatives and senators are good people the other half are overbearing and/or irrational. I think congress has to have a power struggle to get rationally thinking people at the top. It is not right that the Republicans block all Democrats attempts to fix the economy. The Republicans that are reasonable need to stand up and vote for or help fix this nation. It appears that the Republicans are neglecting the needs of the country to gain power and blaming everything on Obama. A country divided can not stand. I read that somewhere long ago. When the Dems are in charge they do the same thing. Wide swings in policy that cause turbulent waves to occur.

The people in our country are so divided on multiple fronts that the whole thing is going to crumble. A war won't work anymore, the fools in government don't understand that they have educated us too much. Although Most Americans have had their common sense poisoned by chemicals in food and medications. There are many in our government that want it that way. Our government needs to be repaired, not destroyed.

Maybe it splitting in half is a good idea. Both halves need to be humane though and respect the rights of all humans. We can't have another Hitler regime being created either. We can't have both halves competing against each other either. Competition is what is destroying this country, everyone desiring to be better than others. What is wrong with society that they can't see reference to this being bad in the bible. You don't have to be a christian to see that competition gone wild is bad. We are just people, no better than anyone else. The criminals need to be punished though, not only the ones that directly steal from us but also the ones who deceive us to get our money. I know, let the buyer beware so the big cons can legally take our money and there is no way we can get it back without paying big money for a lawyer. Lawyers are the biggest deceivers of all, they created our need for their profession in the world.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by SymbolicLogic
Do you want to die? I don't want to. 'Nuff said.


The question is, where's your line? When is it too much to take?
When does one person throwing out his TV ever make a difference,
except to THAT person? Your neighbors will see the act and think,
"Another tinhat, or malcontent, or (your favorite here)".

Every sane person doesn't want to die... but I would have preferred not
to live pluggd into the grid and used up like a copper top. Besides I've
technically outlived my usefulness because I woke up 45 years ago.
My political views changed nothing about how I was used anyway.
Now I'm old and irrelevant. How would it be if EVERYONE realized
they were irrelevant regardless of anything?
Just keep feeling "I don't want to." and they have won. WE lose.

Amerika has turned from a free republic, where men were willing to die
for what they believe in-- into just more dirt loosely holding up husks
willing to die for what somebody else who's "relevant" believes in.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 08:29 AM
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LOL It amuses me to no end since the last time I was in this thread all the posts that have popped up about,

"You better watch your mouth"

"You make me sick, stop talking about this before..."

Please. Isn't this supposed to be America? You know, where you can talk about whatever you want? Besides, it's not like this is the "Sign up for the Revolution" thread. This is a thread philosophizing on why we don't do it, and the possibilities for doing it.

Are you scared? Would you like a blanket?



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 08:46 AM
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Personally I think non-complience would be our best bet to start off with. But then agian, everybody needs to pull together and I think this will never be possible. Too many people are affraid to or can not fathom going against the status quo. Or, maybe we need to initiate a status novum which will probably lead to a civil war. To me this wouldn't be an option but if you look to history for guidance we might not have a choice. If people could just pull away from their material possessions for a moment and think of someone other then themselves. Unfortunatly this will not happen in this life time.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
That provision was in the Declaration of Independence, not in the Constitution.


--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.


www.archives.gov...



Ah, thank you for this correction. Shows you how much I know and have studied. :-/ I posted this thread last night before I went to bed and was surprised at the number of responses. It's going to take me some time to put together a proper response, but I like the responses that I have read so far. There's a lot of good information and thoughts here which is exactly what I was looking for not for any other purpose than curiosity. I knew I wasn't the only one thinking about it.

I was watching Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura yesterday on YouTube. I don't remember which episode it was, but Jesse asked someone..."Am I in danger now?" They responded to the negative and when he asked why, they said because he was too high profile. I thought that was odd...JFK wasn't high profile? You know...my wheels are just turning.

I'm by no means an idiot, but my brain doesn't wrap around the tedium of politics and law. I see simple solutions to complex problems. Sometimes that's good....a lot of the time it is bad. I look forward to going more in-depth into the responses here and bringing more thoughts to the table. Thanks everyone for your responses...keep them coming. :-)



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 09:11 AM
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Also, in order to overthrow the government one needs to first make sure the mainstream media is out of action or at least make sure no one believes them anymore.

The problem is too many people belive mainstream news propaganda. If this doesnt change the government wont fall IMO.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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Yawn, I have posted it numerous times before and will one last time. It needs to start with our troops. They need to be the ones who defy silly orders and take up their arms and join the fight on the opposite side of the people in power. Until that happens we are doomed to just sit and talk nothing more. But they are so brainwashed these days that it will never happen. They will keep taking their orders and go off to foreign lands to kill, kill , kill, then come back and whine about being all messed up and unable to function in society. Our military men and women have the power, supplies, and sheer numbers to make a positive change happen, but are just "robots" taking orders any more, don't dare question a thing. It would be hard for our govt to keep fighting wars and wasting our tax dollars if people would just grow a set and refuse............... It really is that simple.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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This could only be possible if we put our differences asside for the good of our country. Say we fire all the politicians and start over... Even then the most likeminded individuals will find something they disagree on within a short conversation.

The people will only accept a new system if it undoubtbly controlled by the people for the people, and is unanoumosly fair across the board for everyone. With modern technology it can be done, but would require people to look at politics drastically different.

One solution I've suggested in the past was to build a secure network that would allow everyone to log in and vote on the issues they feel are important to them. Let the people make the decisions for themselves instead of relying on some random face our media force feeds us to make the decisions for us.

The only reason the states were represented by ellected officials to begin with was because at the time of its establishment the only communication between states were by horseback.

We are living in the 21st century now. Just like everything else in time, our political system has become obsolete.

Its time for USA 2.0!

We built our current system to keep us free, and it is that very outdated system that now keeps us hopelessly enslaved in this vicious cycle.

Politics have become a for-profit business, nothing more. As long as we allow it to remain that way nothing will change.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 09:56 AM
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Is there anyone or group with a strong enough character to not become corrupt themselves? How long would it take to establish a new government? Would we be able to take back jobs? Would we become employees of the new government? Would all the Top Secret information finally be disclosed? As American people, are not all these things ours by birthright per the Constitution?

You are asking the wrong questions for the answers you seek.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
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If It's Our Constitutional Right to Overthrow Corrupt Government, Why Don't We Do It?
Cuz they have bigger guns?



And they will use them, don't you ever think they will not.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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It's already been overthrown. The socialist progressives have won. They did silently using the Constitution and the law against the Republic that had once stood. Not, it's just a shambles of its former self.


Yep... but this is how they did it...most can't focus for a whole hour video but...it answers everything as to how it was done and they use these same methods in every area of control....*shrugs now what?




Still want to support your teachers and education system?



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by sicksonezer0
reply to post by glitchinthematrix
 


Because people need their iPhones and cable with a billion channels.

Our forefathers expected nothing less of us, and we fail them everyday we let this insanity continue.

Everyday we allow ourselves to be slaves, is another day they fought and died for nothing.



I'll start a list of reasons...I know some have posted lists throughout this thread. Those will be included as well...sans duplicates. These are reasons WHY REVOLUTION WILL NOT WORK.

Reason #1 – People don't want their lives to change. If relinquishing their rights ensures they have their Smartphone, cable, internet, etc. then why care? What else is there, right?


Originally posted by Elton
Because killing fellow Americans does not sound like a reasonable solution to most Americans.


Our police become more “militarized” everyday. I think this is already handled. If Martial Law went into a effect and people began to rebel...the deaths at our own hands couldn't be counted. I see less and less care in people for their fellow men and women as time goes on. While death is NOT reasonable...we become more desensitized to it everyday. We are but a few steps from bodies in the streets being the norm.


Originally posted by sicksonezer0
I think the gov keeps us nicely divided and continuously fighting one another. A divided population is easy to control. When Americans can see past what doesn't matter and unify we will be in a much better position to stand up for our country and countrymen, and fight slimy giant bloodsucking monster that is AMERICA corp., Inc.


Reason #2 – Divide and conquer.

I agree with this completely. The Two-Party system is an antiquated “divide and conquer” scheme that still works perfectly. Aside from that...they have us arguing the Gay Debate, Abortion, and many other things. I feel that these things are personal and that politics, the government, religion, and other people have no business in one's own affairs. Let the individual handle these things according to their own morals, character, convictions, etc.

“A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand...”


Originally posted by jefwane
Because



Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.


Reason #3 – We have been cautioned against change.

“light and transient causes”....I hardly think that YEARS of corruption is a light and transient cause at this point.


Originally posted by SpittinTruth
I'll sum it up in one word: FEAR! Or shall i say: "TERROR". You all really don't understand what's happening, huh? War on Poverty = more poor people. War on Drugs = more people on drugs. War on Terror = more people living in fear. People are AFRAID to take a stand.


Reason #4– We are afraid.


Originally posted by usmc0311
I often think about these things to. Then i go out in public or walk by a television and I am reminded just how closed off most people are. The truth is that 99% of the 99% are just to comfortable and lost in the materialism of todays world to care about the bigger picture. Those of us who are aware of the bigger picture are the 1% of the 99%. So the way I see it, things willl have to drastically change and negatively effect those people before they will care enough to get involved. By then it will probably be too late.

I for one am not about to go risk my freedom and my life for people who don't care enough about themselves to fight for their own lives and freedom. For now I focus on the safety and prepardness of my family. Maybe one day things will change, maybe a solar flare will take out the power grid next year and awaken people to the terrors our government holds for us. Only time will tell but I see things getting much worse very soon.


THIS. This culminates it all. Great post and I agree completely!


Originally posted by GBP/JPY
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good idea for a thread....we can't because this has to be this way....it's all in the book , basic instructions before leaving earth....it's part of a master plan ....it even states in that book that we have to submit to the powers that will be put over the earth....


Reason #5 – The downfall is predestined by God.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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i think incubus puts it nicely:

and there's an absence today, of defiance,
a most awaken inclination.
and your elegant abberation...



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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Tell the current government to leave is no easy task. It could very well lead to a war that would scar not just the U.S. but the whole world. While I don’t think it should come down to a war. I’d really like it to just coming down to us the none government affiliated civilian of the U.S. to just tell them they have 24 hour to step down from their positions and be told they will be investigated for treason.

The shear fact of trying to get the number of people that would be needed to even ask the government to step down makes most people shy away from trying. I’m not even sure how many would be needed.

Even if they did willingly step down how would we even put them on trial if we even did? The justice system is part of the government and would also have to be taken down and reviewed. So that would leave us with no judges or active court to hold the trail (if one would be held).



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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Matthew 24:1-31


Originally posted by pointr97
Our founding fathers were very wise to set that part in the constitution....However, they failed us, there is no procedure set to accomplish this without a gun barrel.....



Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Cuz they have bigger guns?



Reason # 6 – We don't know how.

Reason #7 – We don't have the power.

The guns belong to “We the People”, right? They should. Everything they use against us is really ours by birthright. No? I think so. The whole reason anything is hidden from us such as UFO's, 911 tapes, military secrets and the like is because of spies, and to quell mass hysteria given bad or questionable news.

TPTB are afraid of us. Otherwise, their plan would have been implemented to completion a long time ago. They are some patient mother forklifts....I'll say that for them. Many of them with no hope of seeing the fruits of their labor in their own lifetime. Are they frozen somewhere? LOL! I'm not serious.


Originally posted by mcsandy

Pawns like Andrew Breitbart....Julian Asange?

People in power for the people.....turned into pawns....John F. Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln?


Reason #8 – They take our most diligent soldiers and turn them into pieces in the game against us.

Reason #9 – We are drugged. (Sorry, not quoting everyone, but still valid points. Thanks to rickymouse and steve95988 for your contributions to this thread.)


Originally posted by On the Edge
If this is true of the phases a civilization goes through,the it looks like we're about to go back into bondage,though it seems we have been in bondage quite some time and just didn't realize it.

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”

I was kinda hoping the Oath Keepers would stay true to their word. Or maybe,like someone said earlier,they know they are outgunned?



Reason #10 – We are in an endless cycle.

Reason #11 – We are not unified. (Thanks Wolf321)


Originally posted by ofhumandescent
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Personally I think there are a number of reasons and I will list them below.

1) Between the chemtrails, fluoride (and heaven knows what else) is in our drinking water and maybe food to make us more compliant, controllable and dumbed down.
2) The pollution of our air, water and soil - mainly now I'm concerned with the radiation but the CoExit and Agent Orange also concern me.
3) Our educational system dumbing down our youth and feeding them lies
4) Our moral decay, manners, being polite and just well decent have been thrown aside in place of moral decadence, self-centerness, lack of a unified family. Most kids now live in one parent house holds with working parents so they are being indoctrinated by hollywood, with violence and sexual perversions not meant for children.
5) Our society as a whole becoming more stressful as the rich elite 1% pit the 99% against each other like hungry, scared dogs, fighting over tiny scraps of meat.
6) Our entire globe now run and operated by corporations and enforced by the military with the police becoming more militaristic day by day.
7) Those that commit really horrendous crimes that involve huge numbers of people being butchered are allowed to retire in comfort and luxury while someone that steals for a loaf of bread or their daily fix gets thrown into a prison system that basically is slave labor for the corporations.
8) The corruption of those in "power", ie: our leaders.
9) Wars, endless wars, the funding of our military over social programs.
10) We live in evil times where justice is deaf, dumb and blind, right is wrong and wrong is right.
11) Our votes don't really count - it's a sham to give the people an illusion of choice. There is no choice, the boys at the Bohemian Grove have done decided your fate, my fate and that of our planet.
12) The majority of people have turned their back on God's word and commandments.
13) Many (not all) people have in arrogance, exalted themself as God. They do as they please like naughty children who ignore their Father and His wishes.



That's Reasons 12 thru 24.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by On the Edge

Originally posted by trekwebmaster
You'd better be careful and not say anything close to trying to incite a revolution.



Yes,and before anyone gets their hopes up,remember,"they" are already at least ten steps ahead of you.
(There is probably even fluoride in the Schnopps!)


Reason #25 – We might be accused of treason.

Good grief. No one here is attempting to incite a revolution. This is a discussion...mainly I want to know why it has or has not happened.


Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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I think one important point that most don't think about is actually the fact that if a rebellion ever did succeed...then the Constitution is in fact null and void.

They would be nullifying the very thing they claim to be wanting to protect.


I disagree. If anything it would be an attempt to re-establish the principles set forth in the Constitution anew....and by anew, I don't mean rewriting it. I mean aligning with it to the letter as it stands.

I love the simplicity of this plan:


Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
If a few hundred people started campaigning now with small goals like increasing political participation, challenging the two parties, reducing excessive money in politics, and building stronger localities then by 2016 we might have a serious national discussion.


Thanks Patrick.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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Catch-22, you have to be living independantly( all needs supplied) in order to get your independance( a better future).

Revolution means, no super market, no electricity when off duty, no city water and eventually no shoes.

Before a sucessfull revolution, all of everyone's needs would have to be produced locally, whithin walking distance.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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"We the People" are public enemy #1, why do you think theyre amending all the things out of the Constitution that enable the people to retain power? The dozen rich people that own this country and rule it, don't want another Night of Terror (French Revolution) on their hands where they get beheaded by guillotines. First the nobility must get rid of the middle class (merchants), then they must create poverty for all non-nobility (peasantry). The truth is we have never left the feudal system, it just got a modern facelift. Right now americans are paying the cost of their own slavery, the whole world is and they are ignorant to it or just apathetic to it.



posted on Aug, 31 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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It is not that easy to bring about charges on them in the house and senate, if not the White house it self.

This has to be done by no fewer than two people, the names have to be read and the charges , acts of, for the reason of the charges must be submitted to the Sargent at Arms in the House as well the Senate, yes the are charges to be made.

The list is long ie giving aid to a foreign enemy, aiding and abiding foreign enemy's, supplying arms aid to a foreign enemy, knowingly willingly to do harm on we the people of the US.( this is endless by it self )

The dates of said acts and by whom must also be included.

The problem lies with in the law itself, when it is done in the name of National Security, of the best interest of the GOV by the for the GOV and not for the people by the people of the people, well then it is what is, biz as usual, and we the people, must then do one of two things live with it or vote them out.

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