Originally posted by KrzYma
I think you're misreading this prophecy.

It says the judgment day will come if the sun rises in the west, because it never happens, there will be no judgment day at all... !!

btw. all religions have similar prophecies for the end of the world... well, all they want is to scare you to hell so you do what they want you to do...

stop being slave, abandon religion !!!

Emm, actually, the prophecy is as it was presented, not as you said it.

Qualifications: 20 years of Islam...

Originally posted by queenofangels_17
The Prophet Muhammad was telling the Truth and I reiterate it.

You believe he was telling the truth anyhow, I believe some strange things also, but I do try and remember to tell people it may not be the truth if there are no facts, I explain that its my personal belief (subject to change based on new evidence)

You want to suspend belief until you finally see it..you can but it will not benefit you to believe in this time.

Seeing is believing.
If a deity does not understand that basic concept, then it is not a diety of man as it has no understanding of how our minds work.
We can be sold on a bunch of nonsense...only the unthinking believe without convincing evidence..and any deity that requires unthinking only as its base followers is not a deity I would willingly kneel to.

10:51 Is it (only) then, when it hath befallen you, that ye will believe? What! Believe now, when until now ye have been hastening it on through disbelief?

The sun will be overthrown.

Ya, see, that makes no sense..how do you "overthrow" a star..a tiny planet..none of this makes sense. its one step away from the world on the back of a turtle standing on elephants mentality.

Can you even give a starting hypothesis, or are you just a parrot? If the book said the sun would turn into a carrot, would you believe and relay that also with as much conviction? Do you have any actual belief based on valid science or are you just so freaked out about the horrible tales of the space ghost boogieman that you won't dare engage your mind to think about this rationally?

They will turn to red like a red camel hide and it will split asunder, then there will be a cataclysmic earthquake that no one will survive.

Comets the size of mountains could hit the Earth and cause it to reverse its motion. Allah knows best how it will come to pass, but it will, because His word is certain truth.

A comet could not make earth move the opposite way..now, another planet smashing into us maybe..but should that happen, I don't think we will be debating who is going to be around to see it, not even a germ deep in a cave would survive such an event, much less humans...so, that prophecy simply cannot happen..thats a fail right from the beginning

No one will survive.

43:61 And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path.

Correct, and therefore no possible confirmation or validation, meaning that the prophecy is inherently wrong as it cannot be validated
(prophecys must be validated for it to be considered a prophecy..else your just yacking about anything that may happen given a infinate amount of time and possibilities)

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine

Originally posted by KrzYma
I think you're misreading this prophecy.

It says the judgment day will come if the sun rises in the west, because it never happens, there will be no judgment day at all... !!

btw. all religions have similar prophecies for the end of the world... well, all they want is to scare you to hell so you do what they want you to do...

stop being slave, abandon religion !!!

Emm, actually, the prophecy is as it was presented, not as you said it.

Qualifications: 20 years of Islam...

But your 20 years of islam is equal to my zero years in areas of spiritual interpretation.
Do you know the mind of god? no..therefore you can spend your entire life trying to understand and interpret and you are equal to a newborn.
The words written are by scribes whom spoke to a man claiming to know the mind of a god. Since humans simply cannot know the mind of a god, then ya...its all guessing and interpretation based on what they think it says.

If god says when the sun rises in the west, its just as valid to think the sun literally will rise from the west as it is for thinking god was joking and equating it to never (pigs flying).

In The Name of Allah, The Most Beneficent, The Most Merciful We seek refuge in Thee, whomever Thou guides, none can send astray, whomever Thou sends astray none can guide. Amen.

Amen. YHWH is great, my long lost brother. I thank you for posting this. I do not know the Qur'an but love to hear prophecies from it.

Islam is the only religion that prophesies that the sun will rise from the West, instead of from rising from the East, in the the End Times, before Day of Judgment.

Stated that exact same way: yeah it may be the only religion that says that but that does not mean the Holy Bible does not state the same thing hidden in a parable! Also, the Bible does predict the same kind of things before the Messiah's return that is happening right now (wars, earth quakes, floods, turning away from YHWH, just like in the times of Noah). The Bible states that His return will be seen riding on the clouds for all the world to see, I think what you describe will be seen by the whole world. The Bible also talks about a great reversal (possibly the polarity shift currently in progress), which could cause the sun to rise in the west, which YHWH has set as a time marker for the Messiah's return.
So the question is: Is it as you say, once it happens is it to late to become a believer? or As the Bible says everybody (except those original fallen angels) will have ONE last chance to bow and claim their faith to the Messiah of Israel?

The moon is always referred to as woman, and the sun as a man.

Yeah they are, including in the Book Enoch, the seventh from Adam, through Seth. A book that YHWH obvouisly wanted us to read since, it made it through the flood (Enoch is Noah's great grandpa) and it is mentioned in the Bible, meaning they read it and quoted it.
I will agree with you that the church has lost it's way as the world has.

I can't help but wonder if you live by religion (man created belief and not what the Holy Book says) and live by shariah law. If you do then you will not listen to anything anybody has to say that does not believe what you believe. If you do then you cannot even read this post because I may teach you something, A? Does not your Qur'an teach it is good to lie to the infidels? I would think that the Almighty YAH would want truth spoken no matter who is listening but hey, according to your believe it's, I must believe what you say or you should kill me. Is that not the reality of a Democracy (a noun)(aka mob rule), what ever the majority says goes.

Thank you YHWH that the United States of America is a democratic (adjective) Republic (the rule of law [the US Constitution]) and that when the Lion of Judah returns (YOUR chosen ones) will have YOUR great long lasting true Republic (the rule of YOUR holy laws, statutes, and instructions), the Kingdom. Please bless me with a position within your Kingdom with the skills and talents with which you are constantly refining in me.

Shalom

Originally posted by DOLCOTT
Obvisously you are intellectually disabled, Religion in it's purest form consists of living to a higher level of standards, which in return elevates mankind. However it is man that manipulates the word for their own gain.

Your confusing personal spirituality with religion.
religion in no way consists of living to a higher standard. That is about forcing the structured belief down others throats, by sword if necessary.
You cannot state that someone burning someone alive because of religious demands is living a high standard of life. nope. Unless your talking about high as in a drug high.

If I am right, and the Bible is true. Then I pity those of you who claim God is false. If I am wrong, no harm is done, I have lived my life by a set of principles that have enriched the world and my children. I can't lose can you say the same.

I can up that.
I don't say god is false, I simply don't believe in a god(s). I am not saying I believe there are no gods...because I don't know.
God to me is currently a elf, a fairy, a ghost, a bigfoot, a alien, etc..aka, no knowledge, only speculation.

You now..

You have chosen not only a deity, but a specific flavor. Now, what is the punishment of serving a false god? pretty grim.
How many religions are there?
lets break down pascals wager (what you did) into percents
50/50 for diety
how many religions on earth? lets go uber ultra conservative and say only 100
so, by choosing a single religion, you have a .5% chance of getting it right
I have 50%
Also, lets consider in the stastic the religions that have a god that doesn't require your belief and praise but rather will judge you on your worth than your kowtowing. I am good there also, giving me a majority for such a judgement day.

Frankly, things are looking better on my end than yours

Finally, If there is a deity and it is the small one many pray to that is vengeful and destructive, I think I would rather not be in the presence of such a child for eternity. Would probably have more in common with the one that rebelled against such a being frankly, or just go back into non-existance

Imagine being locked in a house for eternity with a psychopath you must worship for eternity for fear of torture and death...not my idea of "heaven"

So, if I am right, then there are many possibilities, but if you are right, then I still chose correctly (get away from such a small being)

sorry, I'm out of this, this is just stupid !!!
how do you talk to someone that don't want to listen...

believe what you want folks, but spare me with your religious crap !