republicans want to force 32,000 women / year to have the baby of their rapist!

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Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Yes! How perceptive of you. What do you think all this business about the Illuminati and Rothschild satanism is about? Yes many of them do know, some are in the clergy even. Some are probably just selfish and have been doing it for many lifetimes(at least since the Fall). But I'm sure many know full well what they are doing. If they do not know it on the outer surface, they surely do on the inner.

But this goes against everything you are saying.

Do we not have to live pious, good, caring and loving lives in order to "ascend", or have a better life in the next incarnation? If so, these so called "elite" would come back in lesser forms, as they have commited so much evil all during their lives. After all, they lie to us, keep us in poverty, restrict our freedoms, and so on. Sounds to me like they would be due for some cosmic justice on the karma scale.

Again, if these people understood this basic, primal truth, they would live good lives. They would give away their wealth, live lives of modesty and love each and everyone with all their hearts. After all, isnt this how we become better? Isnt this how we "ascend"? Isnt this how we eventually find our true salvation, our Nirvana?

As long as we are the arbiters of our own do gooding and not forcing others into our program. See what I mean? Please see my explanations and don't just argue because you think that social do gooding is the way to peace and prosperity.
Anyway, mass subjugation of others to someone else's plans, goals, and desires is not a worthy way to conduct society, which is why I personally support free enterprise and the foundations of our Founding Father's ideas of prosperity and liberty.

Also, is there any justification for the do-goodism of confiscating wealth for the purpose of such noble and altruistic agendas as Obama's Global Poverty Act of feeding all the world's poor when it begins to cause the sufferment of millions of hard working individuals who can no longer feed their own families due to excessive taxation and inflation caused by printing of money and the devaluation of the dollar? Because that is exactly what is going on. Taking all that into consideration, it may not be a worthy goal after all.

Expressly in the case of abortion, is abortion the best choice of do-goodism to fix the gritty problems of society including population control under the guise of women's welfare? Because that is the Democrat's choice of social engineering and they condemn the saving of lives with the argument that the unwanted babies are ruining people's lives and going to get into trouble anyway and live lives of poverty and misery. You really cannot judge that for every instance, nevertheless Democrats and liberals in general do.

Originally posted by fourthmeal
reply to post by spiritualzombie

 

It ain't about fear, it is about learning.

Doesn't change the fact that believing in Karma is Magical Thinking.

I don't have a problem with it really. I know a lot of people who believe in Karma. People who want to turn all the good and bad into a balanced ballet of mystical connectedness. Magical Thinking. Karma's not a known fact to exist, but they like the way that feels, and that magical thinking helps them think twice about doing something wrong, or feeling at peace when someone else does something wrong. It's the same as "God will judge."

I just think this Magical Thinking has no place in determining abortion laws or any other legislation. Karma, Hell, Heaven, Who cares? Who cares what magical stones people need to carry in their pockets to add imagined poetry to chaos?

How about they stop trying to strip welfare from the viable children who need it.

Hypocrites.

reply to post by nightbringr


People often make karma out of ignorance of the law and just plain make mistakes. It doesn't make people evil per se. Would you compare one person having the karma of one abortion because they forgot to use condoms to say a Hitler type of deliberately putting people in ovens to get rid of them? Would you compare a person having a car accident to someone who goes into a home and murders someone to get money? This is why our human laws should have some element of common sense.
This is why religious people know that to judge people humanly is futile but we must have some laws to keep chaos at bay.

But you know, the laws of cosmos may be similar to human laws in that no one cares you didn't know the law, you still have to pay for it.
Just ask any cop if they will let you off easy because you didn't know it was the law not to fight dogs for money?

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


That is the big problem, politics in America are corrupted they have been seen the whores we call politics are pay off by the corporate pimps.

Both sides subscribe to the religious agenda, because after all America is supposedly "Christian" or at least that is what the majority of the population call themselves.

Personal belief, a woman should have the right to have an abortion if they are raped, but don't try to kid yourselves - you may call it a zygote or some other scientific term, but at the end of the day, you are killing a child.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Personal belief, a woman should have the right to have an abortion if they are raped, but don't try to kid yourselves - you may call it a zygote or some other scientific term, but at the end of the day, you are killing a child.

I agree, it's killing a little baby, and absolutely women deserve that right. Rape babies, accidental babies that would be born into homes that can't afford or don't want them... While the baby remains unborn, all bets are off.

There are too many babies anyway. We have an overpopulation problem. If we can stomach war and collateral damage I think we can handle fetus killing. I'd rather a fetus be aborted than see a 10 year old girl with half her face blown off by a bomb dropping in Iraq.

We need to end the wars before getting all high and mighty about abortion.

reply to post by marg6043


Both Republican and Democrat have spent money we don't have on entitlements and other discretionary spending for votes. Bush did it too(contrary to the lies of liberals who think that Bush killed poor children by withholding welfare)

Sadly, the Bush administration has consistently sacrificed sound policy to the god of political expediency. From farm subsidies to Medicare expansion, purchasing reelection votes has consistently trumped principle. In fact, what we have now is a president who spends like Carter and panders like Clinton. Our only hope is that the exploding deficit will finally cause the administration to get serious about controlling spending.

www.cato.org...

Originally posted by Praetorius
reply to post by elitegamer23

 

ZOMG!!!!1 democrats want to keep killing 32,000 innocent babies a year just because their mothers were raped!

See, I can do that too, every bit as incompletely as you did. Although I consider the policy very potentially misguided, there are other aspects to consider to this very complicated issue.

OMG, only Democrats get abortions???

You guys want small government, but you want
One that can force such life changing events on people

Interesting

reply to post by spiritualzombie


Sorry, two wrongs don't make a right.
Constitutionally speaking, it is the duty of Congress and govt to defend the nation against all foreign and domestic enemies. Somehow liberals feel that it is Constituionally allowable to take away the life liberty and pursuit of happiness of any unborn child, while at the same time subjugating all of us to their untenable programs.
Both parties are driving us into the NWO though.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by spiritualzombie

 

Sorry, two wrongs don't make a right.
Constitutionally speaking, it is the duty of Congress and govt to defend the nation against all foreign and domestic enemies. Somehow liberals feel that it is Constituionally allowable to take away the life liberty and pursuit of happiness of any unborn child, while at the same time subjugating all of us to their untenable programs.
Both parties are driving us into the NWO though.

You think that's what's going on? They are defending us from enemies? It's interesting that our form of "Defense" is getting in everyone else's country. Regardless, yes both parties are driving us into the NWO.

The right to have an abortion is not NWO, though. The unborn child is not yet a citizen of the United States. They do not have a social security number, they do not have a birth certificate. That's if you just want to get technical. This is a women's rights issue.

Abortion saves lives.

Originally posted by mcamp2011
reply to post by elitegamer23

 

you have to be the stupidest moron in the USA, honestly, you do...

we both know that nobody cares about your opinion. if all you have to add to this thread is the ability to call people childish names, then i pity you mind.

TO say that most or even SOME republicans support this could be quite foolish. I consider myelf a republican most of the time and I don't in any way support this asshattery, and there's lots of other people like me that feel the same way.

All I've got to say is sorry for their idiocy, when the republican party feels threatened it somehow always decides to pander to the religious right rather than focusing on it's more populous and moderate supporters. It bothers me greatly. But at the same point in time the democrats push agendas that I find even more repugnant so I'm forced to continue to support the republican party even when they do outright foolish stuff like this.

On the plus side when the Republicans do stuff like this the one thing you can be sure of is they never have any intention of actually pushing the issue to a real vote where it will fail. Instead they just use things like this to keep the religious right voting for them because "they're fighting the good fight"

On the other hand I've seen a significant pattern of democrats on various issues trying to get the other side's viewpoint declared as hate speech and made illegal. This I think is a much more clear and present danger to our system as a whole and hence between that and the Democratic party's abysmal record on gun rights I am forced to vote republican even when they say and do retarded crap like this.

So there you go that's the opinion of one jaded but realistic republican for you I hope it gives you a window into the mind of true republicans and not the psycho right wing morons CNN and MSNBC try to portray as the heart of the republican party.

Originally posted by roguetechie
TO say that most or even SOME republicans support this could be quite foolish. I consider myelf a republican most of the time and I don't in any way support this asshattery, and there's lots of other people like me that feel the same way.

All I've got to say is sorry for their idiocy, when the republican party feels threatened it somehow always decides to pander to the religious right rather than focusing on it's more populous and moderate supporters. It bothers me greatly. But at the same point in time the democrats push agendas that I find even more repugnant so I'm forced to continue to support the republican party even when they do outright foolish stuff like this.

On the plus side when the Republicans do stuff like this the one thing you can be sure of is they never have any intention of actually pushing the issue to a real vote where it will fail. Instead they just use things like this to keep the religious right voting for them because "they're fighting the good fight"

On the other hand I've seen a significant pattern of democrats on various issues trying to get the other side's viewpoint declared as hate speech and made illegal. This I think is a much more clear and present danger to our system as a whole and hence between that and the Democratic party's abysmal record on gun rights I am forced to vote republican even when they say and do retarded crap like this.

So there you go that's the opinion of one jaded but realistic republican for you I hope it gives you a window into the mind of true republicans and not the psycho right wing morons CNN and MSNBC try to portray as the heart of the republican party.

i think most people on ats will agree the republicans and democrats are equally ignorant.
im actually a registered republican myself.

if we didnt give ourselves labels like dem or gop we would all mostly find ourselves in the middle. until we actually have elected officials who will not pander to the left or the right or any sort of special interest groups, except the special interest of the american masses, america will continue its downward spiral.

dumbocrats want to forcibly abort 32,000,000 babies every year.

reply to post by franklin555

Couldn't of said it any better my friend. It's interesting that Republicans talk about less government but yet they want to get involved with issues like abortion. It's not their damn decision or problem. Let the ones who make that choice deal with the guilt and consequences.
Meanwhile the government can get back to real issues like eliminating the Federal Reserve, preserving the environment(Or what's left of it),ending the wars and pulling the US out of debt.
Things like Abortion and Gay Marriage are just distractions that keep Americans from focusing on real issues that effect all of us.

So "people" who don't yet exist have more rights than those who do?

Also, how does forcing people to have children fit in with "liberty" that all the anti-abortion people always cry about?

This is simply about conservatives trying to keep themselves in power by keeping people poor and uneducated as possible. Birth control creates prosperity.

Originally posted by Fromabove
Rape is a bad thing, so to fix it we kill the baby. Does that make any sense to anyone out there except for those who could care less about human life. The more we understand about life the more we understand when it begins. I think Roe V Wade needs another look see.

Your right, first a woman gets violated by being raped, then she gets violated by the removal the rights to her own body - And you have the cheek to call everyone else heartless when you want to add insult to injury to a human being who (despite what you pro-lifers think) Actually has brainwaves, thoughts and feelings. They ARE in existence, not just a twinkle in someone's eye. Your type of thinking disgusts me.

Wow this opens up alot of emotions and strong viewpoints. But given that both sides like to lump alot of issues together with heated and at times (best be described) as less than accurate statements I would like to break it down and look logically at each issue. Please bear with me as it may take two posts.

Lets start with the basic title of the OP "republicans want to force 32,000 women / year to have the baby of their rapist!"

The republican plank has always been the basic idea of being against abortion "on demand".
On demand means whenever and for whatever reason the woman wants.
From the one side of birth control to the other side of the life of the mother.
Now the republicans as a whole (aka plank) have differing views and agendas on what regulation that is. From one side no abortions ever (which is a VERY small majority) to such examples as the life of the mother.
Yes there are a few that even reject the plank altogether.

They also acknoledge that while abortion is legal, they clearly state their position is that the government should not pay for it.
As for birth control. There is no plank against it whatsoever. All they state clearly is again the government should not pay for it either. You can have it (hence the outright lie they are against birth control) but you have the responcibility for paying for it.

But to be honest in comment the plank as it stands is as I said, to end abortion on demand. Many polls inticate (irregardless of political affiliations) that the public does not want abortion on demand, but (as I am) very limited reasons (aka life of the mother for one example) and limitations of minors.

It would be fair to say that pro-life and pro-abortion people could have discussions and come to some reasonable limitations/conditions for abortion such as life of the mother, incest, or even rape.

Now if one chooses to be honest there is a justifiable and reasonable thinking about in the specific case of rape where it could be considered punishing the INNOCENT child that was concieved from this horrific act. It is not evil by its very existance. But I can see the mother being horrified and not wanting the child due to the circumstances of its creation. But this is an issue no matter what side you are on is hardly cut and dry.

Now the states rights issue is a side of abortion the pro side does not like to discuss because it is inconvient. It treads directly on states rights. Like it or not there is no constitutional amendment directly applying to abortion.
The framers of the constitution fully admitted they could not foresee all situations nor make a amendment right then and here to cover everything. Nor did they want to make the government that powerful. So they deliberately make it so any power not DIRECTLY given to the government belongs to the states.
Now they also did make it (abet not easy) for an amendment to be added. Hence the adding of prohibition and the adding of one to recend it. Easy NO but duable.

The problem with pro-abortion (that still exists today) is they cannot get one passed due to the public not wanting unrestricted on demand abortion. So they use the courts which is a dangerous thing to do.

Now it also must be pointed out on the pro side the emotional but illogic main argument used/screamed out.
"Its my body, you cannot tell me what to do with it" and/or "stay out of my womb".

The problem with this is yes they do already. You cannot be a prostitue., take illegal drugs or commit suicide (as a few examples).

The hypocity comes in here is the same womens rights groups say on one side say the woman has a right to choose, but not if they want to do porn or sell themselves (note I make the distinction willingly). Well if yo support abortion under those rules than what is wrong with selling oneself?

The other blatent one I mention for honesty sake is it is they want it legal to terminate the pregnancy under the guise it is not a human with rights. But if someone kills the fetus (but not the mother) they want the person charged (and they are conviced in all states) for murder. Or attempted murder if it does not die.

Now you can't have it both ways. Either its not a being with protections or it is.