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republicans want to force 32,000 women / year to have the baby of their rapist!

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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

2nd.




posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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Id love to know what your definition of "karma" means.

Does what we do in this life directly affect us, or must we first die to reap the positive or negative consequences of our karma?



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by LordD

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
Personally, if I was a woman and was raped, and got pregnant from it, I would want that baby dead and gone. No way should a woman be punished to keep the baby. For women who would keep the baby, I think it's commendable, but in no way should ever be mandatory. Rape takes choices away. Forcing a woman to carry baby to term or put up for adoption is just taking away another choice and making a painful situation worse.

And guys, seriously. Too many babies on the planet. We should be getting tax breaks for abortions at this point. We should be encouraging abortions every where. Just say NO to babies. Oh no, loss of life, says the party who shrugs off collateral damage. Get over it.

Abortions for every one!

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Such an opinion can not exist in a brain with extensive powers of reasoning. IF their was a hell their would be a place for you. Kill the baby. Talk about taking choice away...
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As if we as a society have any problems killing anything.

The only issue here is religious conservatives who try to keep women under their thumb.

Torture? Awesome. Bomb a church in the middle east, kill some kids? Oh well, it happens.

Give choice to a woman in a free society? No F-ing way. Not because Republicans hate women or think they are whores for using birth control... which... they do. But because life is soooo sacred.



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 02:47 PM
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I see Karma directly, but it took a serious waking up for me to "get it". Reaping what you sow, you could see a hand smacking you in the face for saying a bad word to your momma, Karma is no different, no less painful at times.

But I know what you're saying. We now live in a no-fault society. Nobody steps up and owns the mistake. But Karma (which is pure love/teaching) is indifferent, and so the inertia of one's actions still reap what they sow.

For others not getting what we're saying:

Its not like you'll die for killing an unborn child. But you will encounter great difficulties for a while until you sort out what is truly right, and what is truly wrong. In other words, you'll pay the debt. You may also continue to pay it in the next life. For me, shortly after we committed the act, we became almost homeless and carless in an incredibly short period of time. All luxuries taken away, down to Ramen noodles and the kindness of others, directly. Some may say they are unrelated, but I know better. The sheer timing, and the way I felt as I realized I was getting back what I gave, made it clear to me.


Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Fourthmeal, I understand your post 100% (or at least 99.999% anyway).

Karma usually does not come into any discussion because people cannot see karma directly and therefore do not believe it is a factor. This is a problem with the scientific community and scientific materialism. Scientists further believe they know more than spiritualists because they feel they can prove their theories. It's all in what you can prove, and that goes for the courtroom too.

side not: a truly enlightened society would give a woman knowledge of the karmic consequences along with other options and that is why our society is failing. The father also has complicity in this and men who dodge responsibility by saying it's the woman's choice will not be able to dodge their karma in the end of it. We are just treating the symptoms of our unenlighted ways. Abortion represents the failure of society at large to understand the mysteries of the incarnation of the soul and the lessons it must learn.

Also there is a karmic consequence nationally which we must bear for not defending life in the womb. Seculars ridicule such a notion. But Barack did say our salvation is collective, somehow he missed this part.


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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 02:57 PM
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Karma is magical thinking.

Abortion isn't an easy thing to do. You don't need to fear Karma, or Hell, it will haunt a woman no matter what. They don't need to fear some sort of divine retribution. How about we just make choices for what we think is best without the selfish desires of heavenly rewards or the selfish fears of karmic debts.

If we can allow presidents and generals and soldiers to make tough decisions killing innocent people, I think we can trust a woman to make the tough decisions for her own life and body. We have too many unwanted babies for this to be a issue anyway.



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by nightbringr
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Id love to know what your definition of "karma" means.

Does what we do in this life directly affect us, or must we first die to reap the positive or negative consequences of our karma?


Well, first I would suggest that the karma we all personally possess consists of that which we made in all our previous incarnations plus that which we make in our current embodiment(since you asked). One can think of the karmic thing as a kind of scale in which the cosmic karmic computer of the Mind of God controls, and the soul comes into embodiment with a sort of blueprint it needs to fulfil and yes a certain karmic component determines that which the soul must accomplish and balance. Jesus even stated that the soul must fulfil "every jot and tittle of the law"(for those who believe Jesus did not teach about karma).
Karma is for the soul learning the lessons of what it's actions are in the world of form. I cannot tell you though whether the actions will be reaped in a particular time frame, but we already have here one soul who has testified she got the immediate results. Who knows how that might manifest. Could be an inability to conceive in the future, having a child taken away by various circumstance, or maybe even a lifetime of depression and/or remorse or what have you. Of course it's evident that the soul might have to go through an abortion itself, but that would perpetuate abortion in the world of form would it not? Wouldn't a just God prefer a better means of tutoring the soul as that method would just perpetuate abortion?
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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Karma is magical thinking.


So is thinking you can fix all the world's problems by redistributing wealth. But socialist Utopians will not be convinced their ideas are inadequate. This is incidentally why free enterprise is better in terms of the soul's ability to work for its own salvation instead of depending on the collective salvation of Utopian ideals.



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 03:17 PM
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When you have a nation that is run by morons on Christian agendas because that sells politically you know that this type of issues is all they are good for, the rest of Americas problems like unemployment and the growing welfare state is left to those with more brain that runs the nation behind the scenes, sadly people forget that everything that is actually meaningful in America has been screwed and skewed with political rants like amendments to the Constitution to protect fetuses, while the corporate corruption gets no punishment,but tax payers money bailouts .

But hey, rape, sex and death fetuses sells like hotcakes, along with reality shows and the Kardashians new gossips.



Welcome to brain washed America where we have morons whores for leaders.



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 03:17 PM
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Reguardless, its impossible for me to believe in.

I do not believe in reincarnation. It seems hopelessly cruel to me to to reincarnate over and over again. I dont claim to know the secrets of the universe, but it seems a "creator" would not want to punish us so. If we have to learn to be perfect beings, how can we when we "forget" all the lessons we have learned in a past life? I cannot remember being anything than what i currently am, so how can i take any lessons from my previous life?

Further, and more to the point, karma cannot exist in the current life for what we have sown in this same life. Why? Its so easy to see. Good people who have never harmed anyone can live horrible lives i would never wish on anyone. Minorities terrorized from birth, innocent children abused and molested, women in Africa being raped on an almost daily basis. Your telling me some cosmic karma is saying these people deserve what is happening to them? How can an innocent child, no more than 3 years old deserve to be raped? Tortured by their alcoholic parents? On the flipside, there are evil people who have murdered millions and yet suffer no more punishment than a peaceful death at the end of their long, wealthy lives. I refuse to believe the universe is that cruel purposefully.

Should we tell a child, when she is abused, reguardless of the fact she has never had an evil thought in her little life that she deserves the abuse she recieves, because she has surely committed evils in a past life? Preposterous.

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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Karma is magical thinking.


So is thinking you can fix all the world's problems by redistributing wealth.


Easy quip, but a bit of a tangent since it was never claimed that redistributing wealth fixes all the world's problems. However, Karma actually is Magical Thinking.



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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I believe abortion should be legal up until the fetus is old enough to move out and get a job.

Anything less would be uncivilized.



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 03:38 PM
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I understand you may feel that way, especially considering the propensity of the soul for karma-making. So would you prefer to depend on mankind's human system of justice? Or would you want mankind's justice to reflect true Divine Justice in some way? Is redistribution of wealth by force representative of Divine Justice, where a human determines that one must give one's sustenance for some arbitrary need elsewhere on the planet? Is it really the answer to greed by Capitalism?

If one looks at what happens when someone commits a horrendous act which society seems to collectively abhor(such as murdering lots of people and chopping them up into little bits), is Capital Punishment just a horrible example of man taking justice into his own hands, or is it the fastest way to help that soul balance his karma and learn his lesson and free him to reincarnate again without that hanging over his head? This can be why people who believe only in materialistic things cannot comprehend other solutions.

Gautama Buddha, in his incarnation as Siddhartha, the Indian Prince who was scheduled to become King, was overcome with the reality of the neverending wheel of birth and rebirth and karma making, and founded Buddhism as a way to overcome the cycle of action and reaction.
Hindus view karma-yoga as a way to balance the most karma in a lifetime by doing good works and not responding negatively to the karma one receives in his life(which would be called non-attachment to the fruits of one's labor).

People who volunteer and give charitably do balance a lot of karma. But do people who are attached to this and think they are righeously do-gooding balance the same amount of karma? How about people who give charitably to get out of paying taxes? Or people who give to charities and then turn around and steal from the public in other ways? How about people who steal from the public in the name of do-gooding?
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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by spiritualzombie

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Karma is magical thinking.


So is thinking you can fix all the world's problems by redistributing wealth.


Easy quip, but a bit of a tangent since it was never claimed that redistributing wealth fixes all the world's problems. However, Karma actually is Magical Thinking.


You are right, socialists have an entire array of social justice programs and agendas in addition. But these do-gooders really do think that if they force us to pay more taxes they can feed the rest of the world.
I have zero respect for the do-gooders of the world who think that by confiscating that which I worked for by the blood of my sweat and my time and energy, they are justified in their actions of spending on whatever programs they arbitrarily deem important, for instance, the use of my taxpayer dollars to pay for someone else's abortion is diabolical and unthinkable in the world of karmic circumstance. Why should I allow my blood sweat and tears to be used for such purposes when I know the karmic repercussions?
Catholics may not articulate it in terms of karma, but they do articulate it in terms of social responsibility to life. And for that, the Democrats and social engineers of the world ridicule and condemn.
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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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I understand you may feel that way, especially considering the propensity of the soul for karma-making. So would you prefer to depend on mankind's human system of justice? Or would you want mankind's justice to reflect true Divine Justice in some way?

As i said, i dont pretend to know the answers.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Is redistribution of wealth by force representative of Divine Justice, where a human determines that one must give one's sustenance for some arbitrary need elsewhere on the planet? Is it really the answer to greed by Capitalism?

I never advocated such a thing.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
If one looks at what happens when someone commits a horrendous act which society seems to collectively abhor(such as murdering lots of people and chopping them up into little bits), is Capital Punishment just a horrible example of man taking justice into his own hands, or is it the fastest way to help that soul balance his karma and learn his lesson and free him to reincarnate again without that hanging over his head? This can be why people who believe only in materialistic things cannot comprehend other solutions.

Not sure that has bearing on what i was discussing with you. Im simply making the point that karma makes no sense and doesnt seem to exist. And further, if it does, its spectacularly unfair, so much so as to punish children horrendously for transgressions in their past life. From what i understand, you think if a child is beaten, its karma for failings in their past life. Am i correct?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Gautama Buddha, in his incarnation as Siddhartha, the Indian Prince who was scheduled to become King, was overcome with the reality of the neverending wheel of birth and rebirth and karma making, and founded Buddhism as a way to overcome the cycle of action and reaction.

Noble cause, but we have no way of knowing if it works, do we? After all, he cannot talk to us in his re-incarnated form to assure us that yes, he has ascended.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
People who volunteer and give charitably do balance a lot of karma.

You cannot prove this or know it with certainty. As i earlier pointed out, people who do good works and live pious lives can have many terrible things happen to them. Isnt that counter-intuitive to the points you are making?

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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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I never advocated such a thing.


I wasn't really suggesting that you personally did. It was more a commentary on the social engineering of the day by an administration and the World Socialist movement and why they are wrong about the way they are going about things.

Karma may make no sense to you if you happen to feel that the world is nothing but chaos and confusion and that human justice is the end and all of everything. It is a materialistic view of things which has been taught in succeeding generations. The purposes of the soul have been all but forgotten in the mayhem of ecking out an existence under the thumb of the controlling elite. They do not want you to have the answers because that is how they can control us and our destiny.
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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
The purposes of the soul have been all but forgotten in the mayhem of ecking out an existence under the thumb of the controlling elite. They do not want you to have the answers because that is how they can control us and our destiny.

Are you implying the elite know these secrets of life and are holding them back from us? If so, wouldnt they knowingly be commiting their own karmic sins by withholding this information and otherwise keeping us down, thus demoting themselves and elevating us, the oppressed, at least on a cosmic scale? What you are saying seems to again be counter-intuitive. After all, if the elite understood these very basic truths as you claim, wouldnt they be the most pious and good of all?

And again, just so i understand your mindset, do you personally believe an innocent child who has never committed an evil act in his or her life deserves to be punished for somthing they did in a previous life, reguardless of whether or not they can remember such transgresions?
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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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I seem to remember that Martha Stewart went to jail for insider trading under the Bush admin, and so was the conviction of Enron. But then Martha Stewart is a contributor to the Democrats. All's fair in love and war? Or are Democrats just as corrupt as Republicans? To suggest that they are not is incredibly naive. They just cover their corporate corruption with do-goodism. That is something I have been wanting to say for a long time here but somehow your post gave it wings.



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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Are you implying the elite know these secrets of life and are holding them back from us?


Yes! How perceptive of you. What do you think all this business about the Illuminati and Rothschild satanism is about? Yes many of them do know, some are in the clergy even. Some are probably just selfish and have been doing it for many lifetimes(at least since the Fall). But I'm sure many know full well what they are doing. If they do not know it on the outer surface, they surely do on the inner.




And again, just so i understand your mindset, do you personally believe an innocent child who has never committed an evil act in his or her life deserves to be punished for somthing they did in a previous life, reguardless of whether or not they can remember such transgresions?


Not in the sense you are suggesting. But if someone committed an act in a past life, does that make them innocent in this one? We have all done things we were not proud of at some time in our evolution. I would not consider trying to sort any of that out humanly. That is why most Christians believe God is in control of such things, though it may be articulated differently, but the concept is really the same. I just happen to have had an early introduction to yoga and Hindu thought.
I prefer karma-yoga, that which helps the soul to balance karma in a gentle way.


Karma yoga (Sanskrit: कर्म योग), or the "discipline of action" is a form of yoga based on the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita, a sacred Sanskrit scripture of Hinduism. Of the four paths to realization, karma yoga is the process of achieving perfection in action. Karma yoga is an intrinsic part of many derivative types of yoga, such as Natya Yoga. Karma yoga is often understood as a yoga of selfless (altruistic) service.


The word karma is derived from the Sanskrit kri, meaning 'to do'. In its most basic sense karma simply means action, and yoga translates to union. Thus karma yoga literally translates to the path of union through action. However, in Vedantic philosophy the word karma means both action and the effects of such action. Karma yoga is described as a way of acting, thinking and willing by which one orients oneself toward realization by acting in accordance with one's duty (dharma) without consideration of personal self-centered desires, likes or dislikes. One acts without being attached to the fruits of one's deeds.

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So you understand what my thinking is, I do not believe that forcing someone else to use their resources in an effort to be do-gooder does not quite count the same way and thus socialist Utopian do-goodism is actually a fail in such regards.
This s actually echoed in Paul's letter to the Corinthians(every man shall bear his own burden) and Corinthians 13:3 KJV


And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profits me nothing.



Forced redistribution is not charitable giving, it is confiscation of the life blood of those who work for arbitary programs devised by the social engineers and do gooders of the world who think they know better than others what is to be done.
It is not just feeding the poor, it is whatever program the socialists seem to believe in, whether backed up by real science or not(for example AGW). The real devious part here is that these people may not really be do gooding at all, but using such things as an excuse to confiscate other people's wealth. Is a world financial tax really a good idea? If you think so, why? Is it just another avenue to take other people's money or is it some wild idea that you can truly save the world by equalizing wealth? Combination of both?
World Socialism is incredibly misguided.

bible.cc...
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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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It ain't about fear, it is about learning.



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Yes! How perceptive of you. What do you think all this business about the Illuminati and Rothschild satanism is about? Yes many of them do know, some are in the clergy even. Some are probably just selfish and have been doing it for many lifetimes(at least since the Fall). But I'm sure many know full well what they are doing. If they do not know it on the outer surface, they surely do on the inner.

But this goes against everything you are saying.

Do we not have to live pious, good, caring and loving lives in order to "ascend", or have a better life in the next incarnation? If so, these so called "elite" would come back in lesser forms, as they have commited so much evil all during their lives. After all, they lie to us, keep us in poverty, restrict our freedoms, and so on. Sounds to me like they would be due for some cosmic justice on the karma scale.

Again, if these people understood this basic, primal truth, they would live good lives. They would give away their wealth, live lives of modesty and love each and everyone with all their hearts. After all, isnt this how we become better? Isnt this how we "ascend"? Isnt this how we eventually find our true salvation, our Nirvana?



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