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Originally posted by mrMasterJoe
reply to post by dpeacock
People who think they are being motivated by money are lying to themselves. This is just another form of greed and has nothing to do with motivation.
Today we see too many people pick their jobs because of the money that is being paid.
editby]edit on 16-8-2012 by mrMasterJoe because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by David291
ts $10 a month per person, and $1 per day by 2014
Originally posted by coop039
Honestly, did anyone (other myself and two others) visit the link and see how much they are talking about? Its not 60k a year. Its $10 a month per person, and $1 per day by 2014. This plan wont solve anything in developed countries.
$10 per month per person, $1 per day by 2014!edit on 16-8-2012 by coop039 because: (no reason given)
I agree, it's not 60k but I imagine if this had more backing they would be able to offer more.
Originally posted by Slave NO MORE
Originally posted by LanceCorvette
Call it what you want, you're advocating communism.
A cap on income is a cap on productivity. If I am a brain surgeon [insert any vital profession here] and my income is limited to $100k/year, and I make that $100k by April, I will stop working until the next fiscal year. So nobody gets any brain surgery, anywhere, from April to January.
If you're going to tax my income, for example at 10%, so that everyone gets a minimum income (say, $30k), and my earning capacity working full time is $32k, why don't I just stay home, not work, and get the $30k instead of working and taking home $27k like a chump?
Meanwhile, that extra $2k you were expecting to steal from me is no longer in the coffers, so you'll need to raise the tax rate to make up for the shortfall, to, say, 15%.
That means that the "stay at home and do nothing" wage rises - say, to $34k. So if I make $34K and you're going to tax me 10%, I make the same amount staying at home doing nothing.
I think that a brain surgeon should earn more then someone sitting at home.
So if someone doing nothing get's 32k. a surgeon should get 350k (let the economics calulate that).
But the economy must be so that the person who is doing nothing should pay more less 30k a year to pay for food, shelter, transportation and clothes. This way he / she has the basics for living but for extra's they need to contribute with work. besides with a cap on income you won't get the cap with a "normal" job. Since most multimillionairs don't have jobs. they have business / investments. (Except for actors and musicians and some other "proffesions" but they are overpaid in my opinion.) The cap should be for those who are earning a lot without work because if you think about it, those billionairs aren't working either. They have companies or people who work for them which earns them money. So thinking about that i'd think that the brainsurgeon should earn more then the billionair who is'nt doing anything.
Originally posted by Slave NO MORE
[Mods please move if it doesn't belong in this category, thanks]
As a human being we live in a society. We need other people to get food, work, recreation, communication, transportation, innovation and so on.
I sincerely believe that everyone in this society has the right to live no matter where you are on the globe, how smart / less smart you are, how rich / poor you are. It's our given right to live our life!
Unfortuantly in the world we live in now, most pets have better life then a lot of people living in poverty.
There is this foundation who is reasearching the possibility to provide every human being in this world a basic income to fulfill the primary needs (food and shelter). If you wish to read about their ideas check the following site: www.globalincome.org...
Before you call me a communist or what sort of left / right type of person i will tell you the following:
We have / had all sorts of goverment types, democracy, monarch, communism, socialism and so on.
I do believe that they all have flaws.
I stand for a NEW system global wide. My thought about this is: combine all the positive points from each system to make a new system.
- Democracy: people should be able to vote not only for representatives but also on laws.
- Kapitalism: there must be difference in income so that people are motivated to compete in achieving goals while they study / work.
- Communism: there must be a MAXIMUM income so that the difference in wealth can't be like it is nowadays.
I mean it's unbelievabale that the 1% own 95% of all the money in this world (I'm not aware of the real statistics but it gives u an idea.)
It isn't my goal to rip off all the millionairs / billionairs. They have the right to own more then others based on their achievements and / or inheritance. But i think there must be a law that says for example: A person is allowed to earn as much as 5 million dollars a year. Everything on top of that needs to be taxed. So that everyone else can have a basic income like for example 60000 dollars a year (The communism way).
I know that this new type of government is a sort of NWO, but i think it is better then the NWO that the TPTB is planning to place in our world.
If we are ahead of them then we can maybe achieve a NWO without the totalitarian goals that the TPTB have.
If there was a global gov. then the "military industrial complex" can be supressed and the money that comes free out of it can be used in sience, free public transportation, free telecommunication, free internet and so on.
And we shouldn't call it New World Order but New World Acceptance.
I'm curious about your thoughts on this. Let's hope that with this discussion we can find sollutions / ideas to the sick & polluted world we live in today
Originally posted by Alxandro
No matter how hard one tries to end poverty, truth is it isn't possible.
Example, if you have a jar full of jelly beans, any effort to elevate the jelly beans at the bottom will result in shifting the jelly beans in the middle down to the bottom.
It's all relative.
Originally posted by shoshoniwolf
It seems that somewhere that people who are not secondary educated and that serve in less important roles were no longer considered important. You will always need garbage collectors,fast food workers, construction workers,etc.. .
Before I go any further with this, I will be the first to say that I prefer that the government stays out of the affairs of free enterprise.
Minimum wage has failed miserably to keep up with the times. The system has gone uncontested and ran with no checks and ballances. Being fair and paying people a progrssive wage would stop many of the issues happening today. However, there is no such thing as fair or unfair, and the trickle down effect that was intended is not happening as it needs to. If there are other ways than govenrment oversight, it would be wonderful, but I don't see any other way. I don't believe corporate America is going to all of the sudden change and start doing the fair and just thing-paying a progressive wage that the economy needs so badly right now.
We don't need any NWO, or great leader. We simply need to raise the minimum wage to to be in step with the cost of living and inflation. My hopes would be that they would just raise the minimum wage-as opposed to dictating to businesses what they would pay on other basis.
This would be fair to both the businesses and the workers.
Originally posted by dpeacock
reply to post by milominderbinder
yea but it is one hell of a trick