Saudi-Arabia to build a city only for women!

reply to post by aboutface


Women do not have many if any rights in Saudi Arabia yet the Saudis are going to build them a city? What is the catch here. Just remember, the laws still stand and the same punishment will be implemented whether they women have their own city or not. I don't see what the Saudis are trying to prove here.. Are they going to seperate couples etc? Wouldn't that be against there believes or something also?

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by aboutface

 

Women are not equals, in Saudi Arabia.

Its a control mechanism.

Qur'an- 4:34 "Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient.

That's a bad translation, here is a link that explains this verse.
www.flw.ugent.be...

Unfortunately this verse and others are also misrepresented by many muslims too, which is the main cause of problems in the muslim world today and they are handy to those in power using religion as a tool.

It's especially problematic when many muslims seem to follow dodgy hadiths that "contradict" the Quran more than following the Quran itself! haha

Originally posted by DarknStormy
reply to post by aboutface

 

Women do not have many if any rights in Saudi Arabia yet the Saudis are going to build them a city? What is the catch here. Just remember, the laws still stand and the same punishment will be implemented whether they women have their own city or not. I don't see what the Saudis are trying to prove here.. Are they going to seperate couples etc? Wouldn't that be against there believes or something also?

Women are allowed to work as long as their husbands or their male guardians approve of the work. Her work must also be deemed suitable for the female physique and mentality. It is forbidden for women to be appointed as judges, and positions of high public office are also reserved for men.[23][24][25] Teaching and nursing are common professions for women. The number of women working in finance increased 280% between 2000 and 2008.

interesting wiki on whole topic of rights, employment and education of Saudi women

Dating prospects within that city are going to suck. Talk about a taco fest.
I know that comment was probably inappropriate, but it was honestly my first thought.

For real though, way to single out a group of people. This is the most backwards ''equality'' attempt I've ever heard of...Though I doubt it was ever truly intended to be for that reason.

So the Saudi Prince gets a city wide Harem to play in. Kewl. He won't know where to begin.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
So the Saudi Prince gets a city wide Harem to play in. Kewl. He won't know where to begin.

maybe they want to pass the law of LGBT !!!

Originally posted by Allegorical
So what would happen to me if i were to get "lost" one day and happen to end up there? You know me, i always get "lost" without my GPS

Seriously though, where do i sign up? I need to hire some Mexican cartel tunnel builders to get me in there!!

Sounds like a better plot for a porn film!

Originally posted by PutAQuarterIn
For real though, way to single out a group of people. This is the most backwards ''equality'' attempt I've ever heard of...Though I doubt it was ever truly intended to be for that reason.

It's so hard for us to get our head around anything the Saudis do. It certainly defies logic, imho. I only hope that the women take advantage of this situation in a way that's helpful for them to obtain some rights.

As DBates said earlier in the thread, goats have more rights there: "Sometimes I even thought that the goats had more rights than women there. At least they could sit in the front seat of a car. Women aren't even allowed to do that."

reply to post by aboutface
This would surely help them curb their imported labor/labour from all over the world. It would also help them with their counterparts in the ME to ease some of the restrictions placed on women and additionally help them become more self sufficient with certain sectors of their economy instead of relying upon outsiders. Far fetched thought, it can also be a signal of things to come in the future when industrial help would be required and/or in shortage due to regional conflicts? Just a WAG.

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reported. hope they ban you. language like that has no place here.

Originally posted by hp1229
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This would surely help them curb their imported labor/labour from all over the world. It would also help them with their counterparts in the ME to ease some of the restrictions placed on women and additionally help them become more self sufficient with certain sectors of their economy instead of relying upon outsiders. Far fetched thought, it can also be a signal of things to come in the future when industrial help would be required and/or in shortage due to regional conflicts? Just a WAG.

Maybe if they allowed the women to move about unescorted by a male guardian, the women would be able to travel abroad and study and there would be no need to think of ways to "corral" their productivity?

Originally posted by insaan
Originally posted by wash777
Women in Saudi Arabia are oppressed. To say so does not make one a "supremist" of any kind. IMO, of course.

Supremacist mentality. When 100 Muslim dies in US bombings, it is just news, when 1 Westerner dies in Muslim bombing it is the judgement day.

Where did you read this? Also every country stands by their citizens for good or worst (atleast most of the time). Whats wrong with that? Your remark about 'Westerner' and 'Muslim' seems to indicate that you're worried about the Westernization in your home country IMO.

I'm curious, do you see Western women in the same light as Muslim women in Saudi Arabia? Surely they are also oppressed? Mini Skirts in Snow?

Nah..I dont see it that way...what can I say..when you're feelin hot..you're hot..even the snow isn't cold enough to supress or oppress that

Didn't anybody else happen to notice the last sentence in the article?

Last September, King Abdullah announced that women will be able to vote and run in the 2015 local elections.

I say kudos to King Abdullah for that!

Originally posted by aboutface

Originally posted by hp1229
reply to post by aboutface

 

This would surely help them curb their imported labor/labour from all over the world. It would also help them with their counterparts in the ME to ease some of the restrictions placed on women and additionally help them become more self sufficient with certain sectors of their economy instead of relying upon outsiders. Far fetched thought, it can also be a signal of things to come in the future when industrial help would be required and/or in shortage due to regional conflicts? Just a WAG.

Maybe if they allowed the women to move about unescorted by a male guardian, the women would be able to travel abroad and study and there would be no need to think of ways to "corral" their productivity?

I think they're catching up to the idea as per how much it can benefit their own economy in addition to keeping up with the times (education both technical/non-technical) even though they have a lot of money to burn.

reply to post by Advantage


I was thinking of the same thing. I've heard some old predictions/prophecies about women being behind some of the worst terrorist attacks in the future. Not that I believe they were true in the sense that someone saw the future or anything, but it was one of many thoughts that came to mind when I heard this. I also remember hearing something about that "they" are officially aware of the possibility of attacks done by women suicide bombers hiding bombs in their stomach when they appear to be pregnant. (Possibly right after they had a baby, so the skin would still be stretched out?) Or maybe even explosives as breast implants? I don't remember exactly. Then there are all the sci-fi stories, movies, etc., about women taking over in the future, or a planet of all women or where women are in charge of everything, or where all the men have died or been enslaved but there's one left or one somehow arrives... Good stuff! I remember one scenario where women had finally gotten tired of all the men destroying the planet with wars, so they took over! I seriously think it might be the better of two evils if we cannot seem to reach equality...

Seems to me like a breeding ground for male hate.

I predict this is the first step in the downfall of Muslim males.

Originally posted by Druscilla

What I always find interesting regarding Islam is that early on, Women were indeed equal.
This set Islam apart from Christianity and Judaism...

Further, what happened to the progressive Islam of the Middle Ages that brought math, rudimentary science, medical advances, and better engineering to Western Europe?
Were it not for Muslim medical practices with lancing boils, Black Plague would have had an even graver toll.

I don't think women were ever equal in this religion, they may have been more equal in the same society/culture during pre-Islamic times, however - their prophet financed his entire 'start-up' from his first wife's wealth, she was an older businesswoman (which says a lot about how their society might have been before the invention of Islam)...of course he then proceeded to marry several others incl. a little girl with whom he consummated his marriage when she was all of 9 years old. None of this is disputed historically by the way (that he had relations with a little child as though she were a woman).

Next - only under his new religion did it become mandatory for all women to cover themselves after a certain age, because it's again and again implied in their writings that men are 'crazed sex animals'. They claim it's to protect the women, but all it did was 'imprison them' because as we all know, a male can very much control his urges and doesn't (in a civilized society) go around raping everything in sight.

Finally - yes, one of Islam's doctrines is to 'spread the light of knowledge'. And this they did a fine job of, for a while - a lot of the knowledge from the Indian subcontinent and Asia came to Europe on the Arab/Muslim ships mainy full of traders, but there is plenty of documentation of their scholars visiting both sides of the world to learn, discover, invent, and distribute knowledge freely.

Sometime toward the end of the High Middle Ages, a respected scholar from the Iran region I believe, wrote a book - I wish I could remember his name, but theses have been written on this subject - this book basically decried all 'western knowledge' and said 'read the e.g. ancient Greek philosophies etc at your own peril, it'll make you impure' that kind of rubbish. Unfortunately, he had a lot of 'reach' and over time (not a long time), it became non-kosher to engage in trans-cultural knowledge transfers in Islamic society. Thus began a dark age where knowledge was created but not freely propagated - and similar things were happening in Europe and even Asia/India. The world was stagnating.

Once the reformation began in Europe things started looking up there, but not in the rest of the world, which had become steeped in a lot of irrational dogma and a will to 'maintain' but not 'grow'.'

Trading continued - but there was a problem. The few centuries just before the reformation (16th cent), banking had really taken off (mainly in southern Europe), surely you have heard of families like the Medicis. They were the main liaison for the arab traders who brought wonderous goods from India/Asia to Europe, which were in ever-increasing demand by the Europeans.

However, the Arabs (Muslims) were the only go-betweens between these southern European bankers (who had their finger on the trade knot for international goods) and the source (India/Far East/Asia). The arabs refused to divulge where these places were - this is a time when nobody knew the Earth is round...and you can pretty much find anything if you just keep on sailing ; )

Additionally, the prices kept on rising - the muslim traders had a near monopoly on these heavily demanded goods, be it silks or spices, and the southern European bankers had enough! This is the reason - commercial & a desire for direct contact to the supply sources - that led t the money-havers of Europe to try and bypass the middleman (the muslim traders).

Various voyages were planned - Christopher Columbus was only one of the voyagers - to go find India and the rest of these mysterious lands. Rather odd that, considering the ancient Greeks had plenty of real-time contact with these cultures, but yes, knowledge can be forgotten, buried, or lost. So they sent the boys out on their ships, in the hope of bypassing these arabs who were charging them an arm and a leg...

The rest, as they say, is history. The Americas were found, the the slave trade triangle (involving Europeans, Arabs, and West Africans) was established, the reformation broke the power structure in Europe & changed the impetus/motivation of how/why people do things, colonization began, eventually, India ports started receiving Portuguese & Mexicans traders, alongside the Arabs who were already there.

With the arrival of the industrial revolution the Dutch & English companies set up shop as well, but the necessity of pushing those mass-produced goods to a captive-market led their governments to back them up & a new wave of colonization was established.

reply to post by rainychica


In all this, the women were thrown by the wayside...they never regained any status in Islamic society, and even in many northern Indian cultures, women took to wearing their saris on their heads under the new cultural dictates of the Muslim rulers who had come around the end of the High Middle Ages and basically taken over large parts of northern India.

To this day, in South India (hindus), there is no culture of covering your head as a women in front of men. But the North was not so lucky, and continue to be less educated then the western and southern parts of the land.

If the reformation & later the industrial revolution hadn't happened, European woman would also largely be playing a subjugation role - as for Hindu women, whereas there were many 'heroines' in the past millenium, mainly fighting the muslim and british invaders, frankly they had also become a subjugated lot, in comparison with previous millenia.

So - something happened around the start of the last millenium to make the whole world sick - maybe astrology can answer it or maybe it was 100th monkey syndrome where a meme just silently spreads and seemingly overnight becomes a standard ; )