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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 12:03 AM
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reply to post by xuenchen
 

You thought that some new bill was going to actually reduce costs at the consumer level? Any new legislation has already cost the taxpayer a ton in just implementing it. There are feasibility studies and committees and hearings and enough talk to fill an ocean. Then you got implementation, budgets, regulatory and oversight. Now, what was that about Care? Or Cost?

Who's gonna pay? You and me.




posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 12:08 AM
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I see where everybody is coming from - on both sides - regarding these media generated names for political issues. My point is that those who are unfamiliar with the specifics can be misled simply because of the terminology that they are Googling as part of their own research... IE Googling "Obamacare" will tend to bring up more right wing sites than if the legislations proper name were used.

Many, even in this thread, on both sides, will remember that I began my ATS career as a rabid liberal. I am still that same person but our country ( and most of the world for that matter ) are now in such dire straights that I've decided to quit engaging in rhetoric and to truly try to find real world answers to our problems. We're too deep in the hole now to keep fighting and dividing. Our childrens futures are very much at stake and I feel strongly that we're screwing up their chances to have the kinds of lives we would want for them.

We can't find middle ground if we all keep listing either hard left or hard right... this ship needs to be balanced.

~Heff



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh
The operative words in the statement are "protect the interest of our shareholders".

Who are the shareholders of Papa John's?

I think you will find this pretty revealing.

Among the shareholders of Papa John's:

JPMorgan Asset Management, Inc. (1,511,769 shares)
Goldman Sachs Asset Management LP (341,390 shares)
Rothschild Asset Management, Inc (181,107)

Says a lot!


wow me and my girl were just wondering where we could find a papa johns to try it since we always hear the commercials, heh after reading who majority shareholders are, im all set, thanks for that info if there werent three better companies to collapse its them



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 12:12 AM
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And here I thought the prices would go up due to the price shipping the cheese.... Papa Johns' and Domino's base their costs on the price of Cheese, not their lack of providing any health benefits or living wages.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


I see where everybody is coming from - on both sides - regarding these media generated names for political issues. My point is that those who are unfamiliar with the specifics can be misled simply because of the terminology that they are Googling as part of their own research... IE Googling "Obamacare" will tend to bring up more right wing sites than if the legislations proper name were used.

Many, even in this thread, on both sides, will remember that I began my ATS career as a rabid liberal. I am still that same person but our country ( and most of the world for that matter ) are now in such dire straights that I've decided to quit engaging in rhetoric and to truly try to find real world answers to our problems. We're too deep in the hole now to keep fighting and dividing. Our childrens futures are very much at stake and I feel strongly that we're screwing up their chances to have the kinds of lives we would want for them.

We can't find middle ground if we all keep listing either hard left or hard right... this ship needs to be balanced.

~Heff


AMEN Heff.. I was just spouting off this today. Division is what our "leaders" want. It makes us weak as a people and we can effect NO change when we are divided over the worship of a donkey or an elephant. Youre a good egg and you have NO idea how I can identify with your change and eyeopening
I absolutely refuse to engage in the pissing match that has been arranged to occupy us and deflect our attention.. and I really hate to see it on here.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 12:23 AM
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People already complain about their tax dollars going to people who have disabilities and are either unable to work or can work very little. So, yeah, they'll complain that their tax dollars are going to affordable health care, which includes a woman's right to use it to have an abortion. My mother, who is very much mentally disabled and cannot work, just got a talk to by her son-in-law about how her disabled status is bad for his taxes. Most people, in my opinion, don't want to spend a dime that MUST be enforced in order to make it even happen to help another living being in distress, especially if they themselves did not CHOOSE to. They don't care that people on SSDI have paid their fair share in working a certain amount of terms, and if they choose to work part time, like me, are also working to partially continue their benefits or repay a portion of them. Yes, it is my desire to try and get better and maybe work my way out of the system and gain independence and work 40 or more hours a week like I did from the age of 16-27, but I don't know if I can because I have very real problems, even with this part time job I have now. The fact is, between the ages of 25-27 I worked on a daily basis as an impaired person. I worked in a dangerous warehouse position, lifting and moving heavy objects and operating heavy machinery. I was hallucinating on a consistent basis and still trying to perform, even while medicated. I no longer hallucinate and stuff like that, which is good, but I just can't think like a "normal" person since this all struck me, and I have the possibility of relapsing at any time. Of course, I no longer push myself beyond the limits of my intellectual capacity in trying to think about things, like I used to, so there is some improvement going on with me.

Still however, there will always be the group that gripes because things like ACA will take a few more cents off their dollar, and whether it causes inflation is really up to whether they think making a profit and allowing them to live in luxury is more important than simply staying afloat, surviving, providing a service to the public, and making an equal return for what was dealt out. It's the fact that most companies want to make a margin of a 40-80% profit on their services that causes inflation, not the fact that it really is going to hurt their ability to survive or continue providing services, IMO...



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 12:27 AM
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Republicans care about ten more cents on a pizza but they don't give a damn that the healthcrime industry bankrupts thousands of Americans a year, and overcharges most of the rest.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by CB328
Republicans care about ten more cents on a pizza but they don't give a damn that the healthcrime industry bankrupts thousands of Americans a year, and overcharges most of the rest.


Good point.

Why didn't anybody put price controls on medical costs ?

Or are some controls contained in ObamaCare the PPACA ?
(Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act)

Just having "insurance" won't lower the prices as the title of the law suggests.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 12:42 AM
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I totally agree with that! But then we get into the muddy waters of doctors insisting that rising educational costs and malpractice insurance premiums are the reason they have to charge so much and the wheel turns back towards corporate greed.

Revamping the system is going to be a tough, tough job. But it has to be done. If nothing else this legislation has us all talking about the problem and that is a HUGE positive!

~Heff



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 12:54 AM
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To be honest, the three that I mentioned aren't the majority, but some recognizable names. But, if you take time to look at the list, and do some research on those names, it's definitely an eye opener.

The majority stock holder is actually Fidelity Investments, you know the guys in charge of all those 401k's that tanked? The same company that was accused of securities fraud.

Just for clarity, the majority shares are held by 21 privately owned companies.

Look at the names, do your own research and come to your own conclusions on who Papa John's is "protecting".



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh
The operative words in the statement are "protect the interest of our shareholders".

Who are the shareholders of Papa John's?

I think you will find this pretty revealing.

Among the shareholders of Papa John's:

JPMorgan Asset Management, Inc. (1,511,769 shares)
Goldman Sachs Asset Management LP (341,390 shares)
Rothschild Asset Management, Inc (181,107)

Says a lot!



exactly..

and who owns who are the shareholders of those "to big to fail" companies?

why, the 120k plus city/state Government Corporations themselves..

with proxy vote control!!



amazing how deep the rabbit hole goes...






posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 12:56 AM
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I was just spouting off this today. Division is what our "leaders" want.


Well, I guess you don't want that...do you???


It makes us weak as a people and we can effect NO change when we are divided over the worship of a donkey or an elephant.


Or maybe you do...that statement seems pretty divisive.

You do realize that you just created another but different "us vs them"...right???


I absolutely refuse to engage in the pissing match that has been arranged to occupy us and deflect our attention


I'm pretty sure you just did.

Because it seems like according to you...you and Heff are so above those that are deluded and worship the 2 party system...and until we all think like YOU do...we are all just being occupied and distracted...right.

edit on 9-8-2012 by OutKast Searcher because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:22 AM
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Wow, so we all have to pay .15-.20 cents more fore a pizza so that our fellow Americans
don't sink into Bankcruptcy and DIE.

Screw That, let them all die.
That way I can have all of those pizzas for myself.
Wait a minute, If I don't sell Pizza's I don't..............?

Well it doesn't matter, It is all about M.E.
At least that is what Mirror ,Mirror, on The Wall
tells me every morning.

Excuse me for a moment, I have to go watch a Prime Time Commercial.
edit on 9-8-2012 by Wildmanimal because: Typo



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 03:51 AM
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Don't confuse me with the poster you were replying to. I'm not them. I've had that happen in another thread where someone quoted someone else and then quoted me and said I was being controversial, and while I have not corrected them as of yet, I want to avoid further instances.

First off, even Jean Jacques Russeu in his book the Social Contract, that was written sometime in the 1700's (a Frenchman, not American, and not part of the constitution's creation, though it may have been influenced by his works) says that to divide the nation into parties is to divide the people. I don't agree with the party system myself, and if I could I would implement a democratic system of government which is possible with today's technology and eradicate the party system altogether. Today, it's like that meme in facebook I saw says "Choosing my favorite politician is like trying to choose which STD suits me best." I tend to vote for principal, not party, but with the choices I have available, I find there is no one adequate to represent my desires and needs. If the party system were gone, we would have access to wider range of candidates, rather than having most of them reduced in most cases to just two. And if we implemented MY system, we would be goddamn sure they were adequate mentally, educationally, intellectually, and philosophically to do the job for their terms!



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh
The operative words in the statement are "protect the interest of our shareholders".

Who are the shareholders of Papa John's?

I think you will find this pretty revealing.

Among the shareholders of Papa John's:

JPMorgan Asset Management, Inc. (1,511,769 shares)
Goldman Sachs Asset Management LP (341,390 shares)
Rothschild Asset Management, Inc (181,107)

Says a lot!

I.
Yeah, it says Papa John's is a safe investment. The movers and shakers are making money investing with them.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 05:21 AM
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I am willing to pay an extra 14 cents a pizza to help more people get healthcare if the very very very very rich owner of the chain is not willing to let it come out of his personal profits for the simple benefit of society.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by ~widowmaker~

Originally posted by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh
The operative words in the statement are "protect the interest of our shareholders".

Who are the shareholders of Papa John's?

I think you will find this pretty revealing.

Among the shareholders of Papa John's:

JPMorgan Asset Management, Inc. (1,511,769 shares)
Goldman Sachs Asset Management LP (341,390 shares)
Rothschild Asset Management, Inc (181,107)

Don't waste your time..I had my first Papa John's pizza a couple of months ago. One word YUCK! Frozen is better. But than again I might be spoiled living by New York and New Haven, Pepe's Pizza is the Best!

Says a lot!


wow me and my girl were just wondering where we could find a papa johns to try it since we always hear the commercials, heh after reading who majority shareholders are, im all set, thanks for that info if there werent three better companies to collapse its them



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 09:07 AM
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Tried it ,YUCK, frozen is better. Than again I am probably spoiled living by New York and New Haven, Pepe's pizza in New Haven is the best!



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
It's not the healthcare law that is causing the pizza prices to go up...it is Papa John's being chained to "shareholders" (investment bankers) to be a profits whore for them.

Papa John's could easily comply with the healthcare law, improve their workers lives, and not raised their prices one cent...but that means no money for the rich guys...so they have to stick it to the working class to please their masters.

But you go ahead and blame a law that is focused on making sure everyone has health insurance so they don't die.


Profit.

What a dirty word.

Let's all shake our fists at making money and profit!

*shakes fist*


but dont you dare use the wotd socialist
funny how money and profit aren't dirty words
when the emperor wants your wedding presents



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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Everyone who actually read the WHOLE original article raise their hands. Hmmmmm.... just as I thought. So you missed the part where the CEO is a major Romney supporter and campaign fundraiser. This a clear example of the 'class warfare' for which the GOP professes such disdain.


And for the comments about 'how dare investors expect to make a profit'... I expected my home to retain its value, too, but a bunch of Wall Street asshats made sure that didn't happen. So some investments are guaranteed and others not? Kinda like a big bank can do whatever they want and even if they lose money they still win? What a country.






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