America On Verge Of Communist Takeover, Says Former Castro Revolutionary

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by seabag

 

I've read a few posts by another member who claims that Yugoslavia was better under Tito than under the new capitalism. He even asked electricuniverse to share his thoughts and EU quickly dismissed him.

If you asked a couple of broke losers in America they’d tell you that life was better under Obama too, but the country doesn’t share his sentiments. If you're always broke and now you're getting some government assistance (albeit your condition is still below the poverty level) then of course you think life is better,

Perspective….?

Originally posted by RealSpoke
Not all collectivism is communism. Get it?

When capitalists collectivise they call it a corporation.

reply to post by seabag

True but then why should we take the word of a couple anti-castro cubans.

Cuts both ways.

reply to post by daskakik

True but then why should we take the word of a couple anti-castro cubans.

Cuts both ways.

Maybe because they have perspective similar to ours…

If they were the broke losers I described then wouldn’t they be proclaiming how great communism was?

The one guy was a former military officer and Castro’s right-hand man. I’d say he lived OK (far better than most)…and he saw the effects on his country.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

I agree but do you not think that for far too long...abuses of our system...and those who have pointed out these injustices have been given this same FINE LINE CROSSING as a way to prevent justice for the General Population to be gained?

I have heard things such as...sure this OIL COMPANY made 13 Billion in this one quarter but even though they have in place a MONOPOLY...it is better than COMMUNISM or statements of the like.

I am a Cold Warrior. I love my Country and even though I have been just about everywhere...there is NO PLACE like the U.S. Still...I did not do the things I did so Speculators or Wall Street Criminals could take away my friends and neighbors LIFE SAVINGS!

Even though this TOPIC has ZERO% CHANCE of happening...we need to fix the system...or rather...plug the holes in the system that allow these type of things from happening. I am Wealthy...I worked VERY HARD! But I know people who...no matter how hard they work...can never get ahead. Then I know Employees of the State who do the work of a CHILD and get paid 6 Figures! GO FIGURE!? Split Infinity

The history of the Cuban revolution had nothing to do with communism in the beginning. The people wanted to oust Batista, a tyrannical regime. The people backed Castro, but Castro did not deliver what he promised other than ousting Batista. Along with Batista the revolution stopped the exploitation by American companies. The US backed Batista because of their financial interests. Castro offered the US business contracts that they refused, the Russians made offers and Castro accepted. The US put embargoes on Cuba. Cuba relies heavily on imports.

The problems Cuba have are nothing to do with communism. Cuba is not communist, they are primarily a nationalist state with a dictator. Their problems stem primarily from the US embargo. Their problems are caused by capitalists, by capitalism.

Originally posted by seabag
Maybe because they have perspective similar to ours…

If they were the broke losers I described then wouldn’t they be proclaiming how great communism was?

Because they tow the same line? Because they dig the same flavor of kool aid?

As for the member in question he didn't say it was great, equal to the US or better. He said that things were better than what came after it.

I posted earlier in the thread that quality of life in many capitalist 3rd world countries are close to, and in many cases below Cuba's, so capitalism and communism don't seem to be the deciding factor. Just something to think about.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


i'm sure your family would have liked the pre-castro regime better.

who knows, maybe mitt romney would toss a peso at your mother while she scrubs the mens room on her hands and knees at rubert murdoch's new hotel and casino celebrating the 50th anniversary of cuba being the backyard playground of america's rich and famous.

and your poor dad could home all proud after his 18 hr shift busboying, with 1/4 of a steak that still has cheney's teethmarks on it.

i never seen a people so ungrateful that they weren't made servants and 3rd class citizens in their own country by foreigners.

i'm not saying cuba is perfect, but the alternative would be cuba looking like guatemala with better weather and beaches.

What most people call "communism" is simply a politicized term that has nothing to do with real Marxist communism.

All the so-called communist nations are communist in name only, not as a description of their economic systems.

Communism is primarily an economic system, the term socialists who followed Marx called themselves. Marx started using the term 'communism', to differentiate his working class socialism from the middle class liberals appropriating the term socialism for their ideas. Anarchists were socialists also, but they called themselves anarchists to differentiate themselves from the Marxist socialists, the communists. The anarchists wanted direct action, rather than the political route of Marx, in order to replace capitalism with worker ownership. Confusing?

Ever see the movie Life of Brian? The Peoples Front of Judea, the Judean Peoples Front, etc? Well it's kinda like that if you see what I mean?

This was in the west, in Europe and America, long before the Soviets and the Chinese appropriated left-wing terms for their own agendas. Of course it also helped the west to focus on the term communism in order to demonise it based on despot nations.

reply to post by SplitInfinity


What I think, and what gets to the heart of your concern that one person can work hard and flourish and prosper but another can work just as hard but only struggle, that this is a product of a closed system. I have said it before, but it bears repeating. While the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is in relation to the chemical reactions of heat systems, it is demonstrably so that all closed systems tend towards entropy. The entropic economy we face to day is not due to a free and open market, it is the product of a closed system, a highly and heavily regulated market founded on credentialism and bogus licensing schemes.

Lets see, how can I put this simply... quickly... and very clearly...

Bollocks!

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by SG-17

Capitalism is the disease that must be eradicated!

In a Communist Utopia there is no need for government, no need for property, no need for money.

The example of government and life in Star Trek is as close to a Communist Utopia as possible. Improving one's self and improving others is the only goal in life.

Ooooh, I see, so you take YOUR definition of what communism is from a science fiction movie?...

And please, don't make the absurb claim that because some science fiction has become fact that this means communism is great... Then I guess EVERY science fiction movie should become reality if what you claimed was true...

I see...and you actually think that this is what communism is for real despite the fact that it is a science fiction movie?...

So, instead of using what HISTORY and what HAS REALLY HAPPENED under socialist/communist dictatorships you choose to believe a science fiction movie...

edit on 3-8-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

Star Trek is an example of how Communism should be done. Eliminate the need for money, eliminate the need to horde goods, eliminate the need to work to produce goods, and you eliminate greed. Greed is the rotten soul of Capitalism.

Communism in our history has never been truly fulfilled. It has been taken and corrupted and twisted by evil and greedy men.

True Communism is the only future for our world if we don't want most of the population to live as wage slaves forever.

reply to post by SG-17

Star Trek is an example of how Communism should be done. Eliminate the need for money, eliminate the need to horde goods, eliminate the need to work to produce goods, and you eliminate greed. Greed is the rotten soul of Capitalism.

Communism in our history has never been truly fulfilled. It has been taken and corrupted and twisted by evil and greedy men.

True Communism is the only future for our world if we don't want most of the population to live as wage slaves forever.

Grampa disagrees with you I think.

Especially about the Money.....

#5 right from the "Archives" of the book in the vacuum glass case on display in the hermetically sealed university classroom.....

The C/M looks more like the NWO / UN plan to me

reply to post by TechUnique


Duh! Yes, its called the Chinese Embassy.

reply to post by xuenchen

Well, we're 10 for 10 if you consider a lesser emphasis on agriculture these days by automation and factory farming.

Nice way to illustrate a rather disturbing point. A few things written about Communism have or are fairly close to coming to pass now.

* Had to locate it. Here are the Communist Goals as read into the Congressional Record in 1963. Amazing how long ago..and how close every single one has now come. This was considered extreme from what people who were around then have told me.

COMMUNIST GOALS (From The Congressional Record, Jan. 10, 1963)

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

I agree with this and I also agree that the system has been rigged. I perfect example of this is DAY TRADERS. While some people who Day Trade may or may not make money...they do so not in the Markets REAL TIME and only those who are the Corporate Elite and there is a lot of INSIDER INFORMATION being used as well as companies own Corporate Officers either driving up or down their own companies Stock Value as they play both sides.

Still...I believe we can fix this and we can also fix our problems with Health Care and just about everything else that is an issue. All we need is LEADERSHIP! Split Infinity

reply to post by xuenchen


I don't know about you, but I have read the Communist Manifesto and that image you keep toting around takes those demands far out of context. Those demands were designed to put a pre-information age, industrial society into the position to become classless and stateless.

In our modern society, and in the future the ability to mass produce goods with robotics and through other artificial means will make money obsolete, labor inconsequential, and the acquisition of material wealth pointless. So long as the greed of Capitalists do not try to hold onto the old system and continue to force pointless wage slavery.

The first step in the path to becoming a true, modern Communist utopia would be establishing a true Social Democracy. Take Sweden's system and multiply it.

Originally posted by Wotan
reply to post by TechUnique

 

Duh! Yes, its called the Chinese Embassy.

It's no joke.

The "Zones" exist right here in River City !!!!

China has decided to invade the United States, not with tanks and airplanes, but with an army of workers to develop what are being called "free-trade zones" within the United States.

In an article published in the Idaho Statesman, Rocky Barker reported that officials of the China National Machinery Industry Corporation have suggested developing a technology zone occupying 10,000 to 30,000 acres south of the Boise airport for industry, retail centers and homes.

A key argument of "America for Sale: Fighting the New World Order, Surviving a Global Depression, and Preserving USA Sovereignty" is that China will not long continue to subsidize the Obama administration's trillion-dollar annual federal budget deficits without demanding U.S. ....

CHINA INVADES USA WITH 'FREE TRADE ZONES'

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Originally posted by SG-17
reply to post by xuenchen

 

I don't know about you, but I have read the Communist Manifesto and that image you keep toting around takes those demands far out of context. Those demands were designed to put a pre-information age, industrial society into the position to become classless and stateless.

In our modern society, and in the future the ability to mass produce goods with robotics and through other artificial means will make money obsolete, labor inconsequential, and the acquisition of material wealth pointless. So long as the greed of Capitalists do not try to hold onto the old system and continue to force pointless wage slavery.

The first step in the path to becoming a true, modern Communist utopia would be establishing a true Social Democracy. Take Sweden's system and multiply it.

Well perhaps you can post an "original" ??

Maybe we should tell the NWO too.

They are following Grampa's guidebook to the letter it seems.
(at least on the larger scale of things)

Every book I have read is just about the same.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Well, we're 10 for 10 if you consider a lesser emphasis on agriculture these days by automation and factory farming.

Nice way to illustrate a rather disturbing point. A few things written about Communism have or are fairly close to coming to pass now.

* Had to locate it. Here are the Communist Goals as read into the Congressional Record in 1963. Amazing how long ago..and how close every single one has now come. This was considered extreme from what people who were around then have told me.

COMMUNIST GOALS (From The Congressional Record, Jan. 10, 1963)

edit on 4-8-2012 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

Good Post !!

And we mustn't forget the current band of Elected infestations right in the U.S. Congress !!!

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