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Originally posted by CalebRight14
I'm not trying to say the Goverment doesn't do anything right or well. The building of our interstate roads was a great advancement for our country. Everynow and then we get it right. I am saying it's gone too far.
I don't need the FDA to make it a crime for me to take anything, or make it legal to take a product that a company makes because said company paid off the right people.
I don't need the EPA to throw me in jail or tell me I cannot collect rain water that falls on my property, because water belongs to the state, county whatever.
I don't need Child protective services have SWAT show up at my door and throw me in jail, and take my 12 year old daughter away because I refuse to give her medication that I believe is hurting her.
It's too much and it needs to stop.
Originally posted by RobinB022
reply to post by The Old American
It disgusts me how some people get rewarded with flags and stars for nothing, but well thought out replies go unresponded to.
There are so many varibles that you haven't mentioned here, and probably haven't even come to mind for you. But I won't bother trying to help feed your imagination because it would be a waste of my time.
I would never change your mind, and not that I want to, but a wider vision would be wise.edit on 1-8-2012 by RobinB022 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by CalebRight14
Sure, but those are cases that, mostly, involve one or two cases.
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by CalebRight14
Similar situations have existed in the past and they all end up the same. Self destructive.
So as long as the actual core laws are not undone, these new laws, for all intensive purposes, are all bark and no bite. Much like the Dotcom case and many others, they collapse into utter ruin and failure once actually tried in court. That is why your swat team for drugs case was won by the mother, for example.
There is an old theory that states a person who struggles in early life can rise to higher mental states later on.
So, a large percentage of the population is kept suffering so that a few will be super motivated into high consciousness. Without these super geniuses, society would fall apart and progress would halt.
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by CalebRight14
I'm saying that the older I get the less I care about the government, because the more I know, and indeed the more people I know and meet, the more secure I am in my ability to fight the government's expansion without guns. To, in essence, forge my own group that the government must listen to.
Think back to Rome. They were claiming the power of even the gods. A lot of good that did them when the mercenaries marched in demanding their payment.
The constitution will never be followed. It is your responsibility to follow it. It's an idea. It has no power anymore, nor ever did in theory. And only your following of that idea will inevitably force the government to bow to your group's patriotism to that idea.
Most of not all of these cases you are talking about involve lone individuals whom, despite all their following of the constitutions, had few or no friends to back them up in times of need. They had no support. Just the law. The law is useless without a loyal lot to it.
If you sooner unite with your fellows, you sooner make irrelevant all the powers of the world.edit on 1-8-2012 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)edit on 1-8-2012 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by MassOccurs
This is incredibly ignorant to state, I'm sorry. Because just a little effort in research proves you wrong. Literally every invention in the 1800s, excluding electricity, was known in the days of Rome. The steam engine, the paddle boat, hell even primitive railways. All existed in ancient Rome, in however limited variety they were. The Aeolipile, The Diolkos Trackway, the ships described in De Rebus Bellicis. You can even read about Roman knowledge of bacteria, despite the fact there is no evidence they had microscopes.
Let's not even get into the Renaissance tanks, machine guns, torpedoes, flying attack craft, napalm bombers, and countless other devices.
These were not secrets. They were known entities that scholars talked about. It was not hidden, it was simply the fact people were not literate enough to make practical use of these ancient scientific breakthroughs.
edit on 1-8-2012 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)edit on 1-8-2012 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by CalebRight14
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by MassOccurs
This is incredibly ignorant to state, I'm sorry. Because just a little effort in research proves you wrong. Literally every invention in the 1800s, excluding electricity, was known in the days of Rome. The steam engine, the paddle boat, hell even primitive railways. All existed in ancient Rome, in however limited variety they were. The Aeolipile, The Diolkos Trackway, the ships described in De Rebus Bellicis. You can even read about Roman knowledge of bacteria, despite the fact there is no evidence they had microscopes.
Let's not even get into the Renaissance tanks, machine guns, torpedoes, flying attack craft, napalm bombers, and countless other devices.
These were not secrets. They were known entities that scholars talked about. It was not hidden, it was simply the fact people were not literate enough to make practical use of these ancient scientific breakthroughs.
edit on 1-8-2012 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)edit on 1-8-2012 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)
I didn't see this coming Gorman, But I am actually starting to like the spin of your yarn.
It's very elitist of us to assume we are so much smarter than we were 2,000, 4,000, 6,000 years ago. Yes technology does build on itself. But if I had zero technology available to me today, I would like to think I could figure out a few things still.