U.N. Commission Calls for Legalizing Prostitution Worldwide

reply to post by hp1229


Very true, but I think the majority of male prostitutes are probably being paid for by homosexual clients who are in the closet or bisexual. I may be wrong though. I think that most men who are hired by women are for private parties (bachelorette) for dancing/stripping.

Being illegal doesn't help anyone and seems to cause a bigger mess.

However, making it legal is also a way of putting a societal stamp of approval on it.

The mythical few who become a lawyer doing it are not the usual example, and those championing it as if it were are putting shine on the apple and lipstick on the pig. And they know it.

I'd like to know how it is that society will continue to make it so that this does not become the norm. Because when it comes down to it, most people are not looking to settle down with Mr or Ms I screwed a thousand people, and most people don't want that person as their Grandma. This job is not particularly good for people in a pretty profound way.

I say this with love in my heart, really. My ex-fiance was a prostitute. The champions of its greatness usually don't live with its consequences.

reply to post by getreadyalready


No I didn't. I was young, again naive, I had my own problems when I got home, did I need to upset the Russian mafia? No, I did not, and if I had gone to my local police station, do you think they would do anything? Surely if it's a legal brothel these places are policed? Do you honestly believe that if they had acted, that these women would come out, knowing what would happen to there families? I think not.

As for the truth, I can only say this. I met the madam of the brothel. She was interested in us, and when we sat down for coffee, early hours off the morning when the girls went to bed, she would have 2 men stood either side of her in black suits. I never saw a gun, and she never spoke of anything remotely illegal, but you knew you were treading on thin ground. I think she was more interested in who we were, what we did etc. Perhaps she thought we were agents, I mean what man sits and buys a prostitute drinks all night, right?

I do not believe to this day that she was lying, and hope she is well.

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by hp1229

 

I just don't understand the whole concept of repressing our sexual desires to the point that we will rape and kill over them?

I know what you mean and I do understand. However It isn't impossible to do you know

It only takes logics and a much much deeper understanding about human nature in general to overcome/control the instincts (sexual desire) in this case. I can surely point you to the tibetan monks for some positive proofs

However not everyone can change their religion and/or belief system but they can certainly put aside the negativity and attempt to learn from others.

You're absolutely right, but I think the big difference is "conscious choice."

The Tibetan Monks do very well as far as I know, but of course they are rarely tempted, and it is their choice to pursue that spiritual understanding. Here in our Western Culture we are forced into situations via religious or societal norms.

People who take these challenges voluntarily may be able to have some success, but an awful lot of young folks deciding to get married are railroaded into a societal and religious norm that they are completely unprepared for.

reply to post by unityemissions
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I'm not saying prostitution is pure evil, or that no good comes from it, but think that anyone who takes an honest view of it can see it leads to a degeneration of society over time. I would agree that ultimately the problem lies in the mind, but also see that the solution lies in the laws which disincentives the acts from occurring.

I am with you up until you come to your "solution". It has been shown already in many posts, that government (laws) have not fixed most problems, and instead make them worse...that is, underground economies that create more bad choices, more crime, more evil. Not to mention, we all have to work harder to pay increased taxes for more police, more lawyers, and more prisons.

Man has been called a rational being, but rationality is a matter of choice—and the alternative his nature offers him is: rational being or suicidal animal, Man has to be man—by choice; he has to hold his life as a value—by choice; he has to learn to sustain it—by choice; he has to discover the values it requires and practice his virtues—by choice.

A code of values accepted by choice is a code of morality.

Whoever you are, you who are hearing me now, I am speaking to whatever living remnant is left uncorrupted within you, to the remnant of the human, to your mind, and I say: There is a morality of reason, a morality proper to man, and Man's Life is its standard of value.

All that which is proper to the life of a rational being is the good; all that which destroys it is the evil.

"Man's life, as required by his nature, is not the life of a mindless brute, of a looting thug or a mooching mystic, but the life of a thinking being—not life by means of force or fraud, but life by means of achievement—not survival at any price, since there's only one price that pays for man's survival: reason.

Man's life is the standard of morality, but your own life is its purpose. If existence on earth is your goal, you must choose your actions and values by the standard of that which is proper to man—for the purpose of preserving, fulfilling and enjoying the irreplaceable value which is your life.

Since life requires a specific course of action, any other course will destroy it- A being who does not hold his own life as the motive and goal of his actions, is acting on the motive and standard of death. Such a being is a metaphysical monstrosity, struggling to oppose, negate and contradict the fact of his own existence, running blindly amuck on a trail of destruction, capable of nothing but pain.

Happiness is the successful state of life, pain is an agent of death.

Happiness is that state of consciousness which proceeds from the achievement of one's values. A morality that dares to tell you to find happiness in the renunciation of your happiness—to value the failure of your values—is an insolent negation of morality. A doctrine that gives you, as an ideal, the role of a sacrificial animal seeking slaughter on the altars of others, is giving you death as your standard. By the grace of reality and the nature of life, man—every man—is an end in himself, he exists for his own sake, and the achievement of his own happiness is his highest moral purpose.

But neither life nor happiness can be achieved by the pursuit of irrational whims. Just as man is free to attempt to survive in any random manner, but will perish unless he lives as his nature requires, so he is free to seek his happiness in any mindless fraud, but the torture of frustration is all he will find, unless he seeks the happiness proper to man. The purpose of morality is to teach you, not to suffer and die, but to enjoy yourself and live.

This can be applied to many moral issues.
I find prostitution to be highly immoral on many levels. But I also believe in real freedom. The freedom to make mistakes, to make bad choices, and then to suffer the natural consequences of those choices. Either we are free or we are slaves. Sure, there maybe levels of slavery (shades of grey), but even a little slavery is not freedom. We have free will, by the very nature of our minds.

The solution is not more laws. The solution is teaching people to use their minds and to find a methodology of reason (thinking) that works.

reply to post by Afterthought


Thanyou, and hello :0). I did think about that, and even offered her a new life in England.
I'm sure there would of been huge complications in getting her here lol, never the less, I would off done my best to
Get her here.

She would not do anything, because it would be bad. Know what I mean.

First of all, I don't need a prostitute: I'm married. But laws do not prevent crimes. Legalizing prostitution would benefit everybody. You can bet that organizations engaged in the legal solicitation of sex would screen for diseases, because there would have to be that high standard to warrant to costs of paying customers. An organization with lots of diseases would quickly gain a reputation and go out of business. As long as all of this is illegal, there's that necessity for secrecy and therefore risk of getting diseases.

Also, this would benefit the economy and the job market. Young ladies would now be able to go into prostitution as a career and make a lot of legal money, contributing to society. The quality of the ladies would drastically increase. You don't see nasty women in professional pornos, because that is an actual job and they tend to hire attractive and gifted women for the job.

Originally posted by OrphenFire The quality of the ladies would drastically increase. You don't see nasty women in professional pornos, because that is an actual job and they tend to hire attractive and gifted women for the job.

So your views are essentially to improving the attractiveness and quality of the available resources - prostitutes.

Big of ya, to have your eyes on the real problem. The QUALITY of the service.

Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

Magic Mike trailer? I have no idea what you're talking about.

I just don't understand men like you, I guess. You have an attractive wife and a great family, but you still need to invite another body into the equasion. What happens if the condom breaks and you and/or your wife gets one of these STDs that is becoming drug resistent? Is it worth it?

Getting some disease is just too scary for me. I've always taken precautions, but like Russian Roulette, you keep playing frequently enough, you're bound to blow your brains out.

I posted a youtube video earlier, and it is the trailer for the movie "Magic Mike" that is EXTREMELY POPULAR among women right now.

OK, I typed up a couple of paragraphs there, but there was just no way to state it openly in a way that the skeptics couldn't misinterpret it. Suffice to say that I love my wife and family very much, and there is nothing I wouldn't do for them. I'm not jealous in the slightest way and I don't understand jealousy in others. I choose to be with my wife, I don't need her, I just like her the best. I love her. I want her to choose to be with me also, but I'm not going to force her into it. If she forgets why she likes me the best, and she has to experiment to remember, then so be it, in fact it turns me on a little.

A lot of it comes down to confidence I think. That is a big difference between men and women. If a man cheats on a woman, the woman thinks the man must like the other woman better, or she is lacking in some area, and she worries about losing him. If a woman cheats on a man, he assumes she must have some mental defect, and there is no way in hell she is unsatisfied, and there must be some explanation other than himself.

Of course both opinions are both right and wrong, but just imagine if they could talk openly about it and get to the heart of the matter? How many relationships would be saved? How much better would they be. "No honey, I don't like her better, I don't like her at all, in fact, I only went to her because the things I wanted to do to her would be highly inappropriate to do to someone I loved." OR, "No honey, I don't have a mental defect, I just happen to get very turned on by the TV show "Suits," but you are always gone to your buddy's house that night, and when your buddies drag your sorry drunk ass into the house, and we haven't had sex in weeks, well.... at least they were sober enough to perform."

Not ideal situations, but at least they are honest ones.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by hp1229

 

God Almighty......

sex traffickers would be celebrating about now

ure being sarcastic?... legal prostitution WOULD counter sex trafficing and abuse to human beings...
Its like saying drug dealers would be celebrating if drugs were made legal, HIGELY doubtful...
So again hope ure sarcastic.

huh? Prostitution legalizing worldwide? .. well I cant speak for other countries but Im from India and boy this is one hot topic! .. 2 things - 1) Theres a huge chance of an increase in human trafficking (the situation here is already not that great!) .. or 2)It might ACTUALLY work and the no. of rapes might significantly reduce ... I guess its the same in a lot of other countries ..

Isn't someone being an "escort" already a legal form of prostitution?

There are escort services, which are legal, all over and these people perform "services" for money.

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by jiggerj

 

You might want to research into the assumption that it would hurt sex trafficking. If I'm correctly recalling, evidence to the contrary has been released in recent years.

Let me see if I can find a link....

Here ya go

Linky

Ugh, lol. If I have to read 19 pages I'll just agree with you. Just saying that if ***I*** had to make a choice between a dirty whore on the street or a government sanctioned lady of the evening, I'd go with the lady and NEVER with the unlicensed whore.

Originally posted by jarjun
huh? Prostitution legalizing worldwide? .. well I cant speak for other countries but Im from India and boy this is one hot topic! .. 2 things - 1) Theres a huge chance of an increase in human trafficking (the situation here is already not that great!) .. or 2)It might ACTUALLY work and the no. of rapes might significantly reduce ... I guess its the same in a lot of other countries ..

The rapes might just move to raping prostitutes more.

Just pointing out the reality of the work.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Well put, i agree completely... I think its dumb to label it as either bad or ok, because either way bad people will earn money on it... Maybe legally it will be taxed and less human trafficing.
In Denmark prostitution is pretty succesful, most of the prostitutes are A. Students earning $$, B. People wanting to earn $$... C. Human trafficing subjects. (Prostitution is legal in Denmark, doubt there is alot of trafficing though)..

Originally posted by hp1229
reply to post by sonnny1

 

In netherlands, I would assume many join/forced due to the abundance of prostitution or boredom of a legal prostitution? or simply because it is a lucrative business/job which doesn't require a formal education?

Child Prostitution rose in the Netherlands, even when it was legal. Its sad that the UN would call for it, when they cant get any of the other Problems, in the World, fixed. Unless they take a comprehensive study on Child Prostitution, and its risks, I feel that its "call", only puts children in more danger.

It kills me how people ignore the fact that there are countries that have already done this. Look at the Netherlands there are statistics and years of studies that have been done. It's not like this is a big WHAT IF. It has already been done elsewhere. Look at the Netherlands the Dutch are some of the most well adjusted people I have ever met. They are just as moral as everyone else. In the Netherlands many people leave their curtains in their living room open and walking by you can see families eating diner watch TV. You don't see that in other countries. The Dutch feel that people who close their curtains must have something to hide. We have closed our "curtains" we are the social/moral reject who has something to hide.

Their children are also less likely to do drugs. It's not the forbidden fruit they have seen what junkies look like. The air of mystery is gone.

Originally posted by SibylofErythrae

Originally posted by OrphenFire The quality of the ladies would drastically increase. You don't see nasty women in professional pornos, because that is an actual job and they tend to hire attractive and gifted women for the job.

So your views are essentially to improving the attractiveness and quality of the available resources - prostitutes.

Big of ya, to have your eyes on the real problem. The QUALITY of the service.

edit on 24-7-2012 by SibylofErythrae because: removal of reference to felines.

As is the modelling and entertainment industry in general isn't putting enough pressure on women and men to look certain way, now you'll have the EOE knocking on the doors of the legally operating Prostitute Inc asking...'Why didn't you hire this young lady/man?' Is this because he/she isn't good looking or handicapped? Or the flip side will benefit the plastic surgery industry? Better yet...after a couple of generations...'Father/Mother: Son/Daughter what would you like to do for a living when you grow up?...'Son/Daughter: I would like to join the Prostitution Industry and be successful'. Even better...internships at colleges to help pay for loans 'Wanted PT prostitute with good grades and looks to intern in our expanding corporation (PimpDaddy Inc)' ...oh well...i'm just throwing things out there

Originally posted by jarjun2)It might ACTUALLY work and the no. of rapes might significantly reduce ... I guess its the same in a lot of other countries ..

Depends if one considers raping a fantasy or to be able to obtain the unobtanium (a really good looking person) or domination of other human (prison in general). You see humans would never be satisfied. Once the 'high' and 'novelty' of the profession wears off, it would be like any other industry where it goes down the growth path and alternatives are sought after to provide the 'satisfaction' that most people seek for in a prostitute IMO.

Originally posted by Ladysophiaofsandoz The air of mystery is gone.

The same air of mystery is what life and things interesting for many. Romance and Love are few of them including foreplay and/or wooing a mate for relationships. Its the difference between commercialized slaughter house vs raising chickens on your farm Big difference in taste and satisfaction.