The first immortal man?

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posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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Interesting thread, you should check out a guy called Ray Kurzweil who works for IBM, absolutely fascinating stuff, he made a documentary not so long ago called 'transcedent man' it's excellent

It's simple and complicated, it will happen. Every year the spacial resolution of brain scanning doubles, if you take a physical picture of an environment and put it in to a computer what is happening, based on the computers power and storage you are trying to best represent that picture in a digital environment, however because of this the picture of a real environment can never be completely replicated perfectly, only best represented, the same goes for sound, this is why some people believe vinyl sounds better than digital music, the ear may or may not be able to detect this, however it is a fact that the vinyl contains an infinite amount more information than the digital representation of that information such as a cd or a hard disk etc.

With a brain, it is simply a massive network of neurons that deliver eletrical signals. With resolution which is what i described earlier with pictures, the same goes for pictures of the brain, if you take a picture of a brain with a camera, you have what looks like a brain, if you take a more detailed picture you can see it might be wet, veiny etc. If you take another picture you might see some neurons, eventually by taking a picture large enough (remember resolution) you will eventually have a digital picture of every signal neuron EVER developed in that brain and exactly how they all connect.

Once you have a picture of every single neuron connection in a brain, containing an incredible but not infinite amount of information and a computer powerful enough and with enough storage space to contain that picture, using quantum printed circuits, that is a circuit created by an electron microscope which have already been created, you can with the right tools print every single neuron and every single neuron connection in that picture on to an extremely small circuit. Once printed, with the right stimulation this circuit can operate, it is that simple.

Take a massive resolution picture of a brain and print it on to a circuit.

What must be taken into consideration is the human brain and it's neuron connection's have massive distances between neurons relative to how small circuits can actually be created, by printing this on to a circuit you remove that space between the neurons allowing electrical impulses to be transmitted over vastly smaller distances resulting in extremely fast operating speeds, trillions of times faster than that of an ordinary brain, once newly found materials such as carbon nano-tubes are incorporated into a circuit like this, there is little to no heat in a circuit such as this due to the lack of resistance in conventional circuits, this means that you could pump a nuclear power station into a circuit like this and it wouldn't generate any heat, taking into consideration how many individual electrons can be fit down a wire.

With all these factors taken into consideration, using a quantum computer to power a circuit such as this which would be much smaller than a human brain, it would run infinitely fast, this raises some strange questions because the software (circuit) being run (by a quantum computer - flipping an atom up and down to represent 1's and 0's) would 'think' so ridiculously fast it could be considered a god, it would think of every conceivable outcome to a situation in practically no-time what so ever, it would be your brain only it would think trillions of times faster than you are currently capable, think of it in terms of learning speed as a baby being born and it within mere moments having acquired enough knowledge to be Einstein (If given input), this being would be SUPREME.

In regards to consciousness, it is a tough question as it is subjective to our own experiences, if you take every neuron in your brain and replicate it, it is you absolutely but based on human experience it is impossible to understand what it would be like to be or become another person, the reality of it is, it is a duplicate of you, it isn't you, i.e. if this circuit is operating and your alive, what do you expect to happen? To all of a sudden get two screens? four eyeballs, 2 in each body? It makes no sense because the two systems aren't connected. If you die and this circuit replaces you a conundrum occurs, your dead, there's no soul, spirit or ghost so your dead and you will never be alive again, your experience is OVER. Your duplicate who is another person containing your information will be you as if you just continued in that body, it will like you've been stolen by someone who believes he is and was you, knowing what you had learned, he will say he's you, he will say he remembers the experiment AND he did remember it, but it is a new 'consciousness' or whatever you want to call it where you are dead and gone and he is none the wiser to his new consciousness.
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posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 07:45 PM
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Just my 2 cents from a lurker. I ran out of words.
Much love !



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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Imagine the confusion though. Imagine having a conversation with a person, and then they put them out, kill them, slice up the brain. load it into a computer, decode it, bring it online, and you can continue the same conversation, but it is now with a machine. Same memories, same everything, but surely there would be some missing spark? Some personality quirk impossible to emulate. Wouldn't there?


Exactly. That thing that makes us all unique will be missing and might not be evident to someone who didnt know the person but for someone who did it would be apparent. Also the evolution of the individual will be limited to its growth potential based on its interactions with the world. It wont be the same person.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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So many ethical questions.


Is that "you?"

It will have all your memories, but will it be your consciousness? Will you have a perception or knowledge of the you that once was, or will this just be a new entity with your knowledge? We can already preserve memories through memoirs and autobiographies, and photographs, and voice recordings, but programming those things into a computer does not make a clone of "you."

I don't think this is going to work.


^^ This.

It wouldn't be "you". Just a copy of you.



posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Zeropoint

It's simple and complicated, it will happen.


I always have a problem when I hear people say stuff like this. I understand there is science behind this, but it still is all theory. Truth is, we don't know the future. Yes, men can achieve anything with time, I do believe in imagination. However, the universe has a tendency to keep things in check, translate that any way you wish.

One great catastrophe, and we're back to cave drawings and trying to learn how to start a fire...



posted on Sep, 5 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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I think there no immotal creature. How can you going to live forever? while the world have it own times. Even the world will shatter someday.





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