Let's Solve These Problems...

Poverty
Hunger
Homelessness
Crime

All I hear anymore is a bunch of bickering back and forth between republicans/democrats/liberals/conservatives/left-wingers/right-wingers/socialists/communists/collectivists/individualists/pro-lifers/pro-choicers... and so on... and so on. Honestly we are so divided on so many issues that if a revolution did break out in the U.S., we wouldn't even know who to fight!

So here's your chance to put up or shut up. I've given you 4 topics that everyone should be able to agree are problems that need fixing. If you don't consider these things problems, then stay your cold-hearted, insensitive azz out of my thread. This is a thread for solutions and open-minded thinking, not more bickering.

So please pick a problem and tell me either how you would solve it, or why you think it can't be solved.

-Bone

Population control.

Not joking.

reply to post by Bone75


Poverty & Hunger go hand in hand.

Firstly eliminate high food prices by investing in local growing operations such as Vertical farms. This double as a means of providing jobs for the poor and provides food at a MUCH lower cost.

You can grow 3 acres worth of food every 6 weeks about per 1 acre of indoor growing space.

The reason food is so expensive is due to transportation, everybody in the middle needs a cut so the price goes up.

Eliminate that, and you eliminate both these problems.

These problems are prime factors in homelessness and crime. So if people are healthy ( as in eating properly) and not homeless crime rates tend to go down.

~Tenth

Stop spending $1.6 trillion a year murdering people for oil
Then, if government absolutely has to spend that $1.6 trillion on something (because it would literally kill them to give it back to us) spend that money on the first three issues in the OP. The fourth will take care of itself.

/TOA

Get rid of government, money etc... as they are the root to almost every problem then # will be fine after that. You should know how to deal with government as well so don't bother asking what I'd do, it's quite obvious what needs to be done...

just give the chance to everyone to have something to do and pay them, reward them without being greedy about it.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by Bone75

 

Poverty & Hunger go hand in hand.

Firstly eliminate high food prices by investing in local growing operations such as Vertical farms. This double as a means of providing jobs for the poor and provides food at a MUCH lower cost.

You can grow 3 acres worth of food every 6 weeks about per 1 acre of indoor growing space.

The reason food is so expensive is due to transportation, everybody in the middle needs a cut so the price goes up.

Eliminate that, and you eliminate both these problems.

These problems are prime factors in homelessness and crime. So if people are healthy ( as in eating properly) and not homeless crime rates tend to go down.

~Tenth

edit on 7/16/2012 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)

I like that idea a lot. Can you give us a link with more info on vertical farms (like how to get one started and costs ). Thanks

Originally posted by The Old American
Stop spending $1.6 trillion a year murdering people for oil
Then, if government absolutely has to spend that $1.6 trillion on something (because it would literally kill them to give it back to us) spend that money on the first three issues in the OP. The fourth will take care of itself.

/TOA

I 100% agree. We don't need anyone else's oil, we have plenty. These wars are not only crashing our economy, they're crashing the economies of the entire planet.

reply to post by Bone75

Poverty

Cut welfare out and make people get jobs. If you cannot afford to have a kid you should have to pay a fine.

Hunger
Homelessness

Cut the homeless up and feed them to the hungry

Crime

Make everything legal, the crime rate will drop to zero.

reply to post by Bone75


Vertical farms in conjunction with closed loop systems such as aquaponics will not only provide a source of both protein and carbs but also reduce pollution in the process

Vertical farms:

www.verticalfarm.com...

www.huffingtonpost.com...&title=Circular_Farm

Aquaponics:

en.wikipedia.org...

www.abovetopsecret.com...
No Matter What Your Politics, Why Is Anyone Living In Poverty?


Fishing in the Phoenix Earthship


Cob Houses - Live Debt Free with Sustainable Development
(build a cob home like these on the West Coast BC, for 10000-20000)

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Paradise or Oblivion - new documentary by The Venus Project


Paradise or Oblivion (30 language subtitles)

HiAliens very good contributions and research:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
The Great Awakening

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Awakening II: Free Cities

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Planetary Declaration of Independence

reply to post by Bone75


There are vertical farms popping up all over the US and a few in Canada at this point.

I had a business venture up and running in my town for a few months but unfortunetly closed it all up due to family related issues etc..

I will eventually get back into it once there's a tried and true format of getting it done.

But yeah, solve the food and jobs problem and the rest will sort itself all out.

~Tenth

I took notes on the Venus Project Video in my post above:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

--- (from 19:04 on): Albert Einstein stated "We cannot solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

---Earth is still abundant with resources! Our practice of rationing resources through monetary control is no longer relevent and is actually counter productive to our very survival.

---Today, we have highly advanced technologies (they show our conventional ones and this is just the tip of the ice berg, we're spage age and using very exotic energies now) but our social and economic system has not kept up with our technological abilities, which could otherwise easily create a world for all, free of servitude and debt!

---A socioeconomic system in which all goods and services are available to everyone, without the use of money, barter, credit, debt, or servitude of any kind.



---A resource based economy operates on the basis of available resources and makes those resources available to every human being on earth, free of charge, withthout a price tag!



---So we have today, more than enough resources to build a far more advanced society.

I'm not talking about limited handouts so people just get by, I'm talking about a very advanced civilization.

---All people, regardless of political philosophy, social customs, or religious differences ultimately depend upon the same resources: clean air and water, airable land, medical care, and a relevant education.

---I think if you pledge allegiance to the earth and everyone on it, that would be the way to go for the future.

---The human species is a single family, and the world is home to everyone! Neither people nor nations can co-exist separately any longer.

---No more separate nations, so everyone can go everywhere....If you want an end to war, you must declare the earth Common Heritage!

---We must declare the earth's resources common heritage for all the worl'ds people.

---This has nothing to do with those who want to form and elite world order with themselves and large corporations in control and the rest of the world subservient to them!

To the contrary, a global resource based economy enables all people to reach their highest potential, where they can thrive and grow in a society that works in their behalf, a society that protects and preserves the environment as well. One that understands that we are part of nature not separate from it.

This work is needed in our communities.

Our communities don't even know there are solutions already, they've never thought of them.

Community counsels and movie nights.

Community blog radio with interveiws.

Community projects, and donations of land for the homeless, going from yurts, quick to erect and green houses, to cob homes.

We could export solutions world wide.

Put that video, Fishing in an Earthship Home with this:


1 MILLION pounds of Food on 3 acres. 10,000 fish 500 yards compost

There is NO REASON for the hunger in this world except for ISMs, THoughts and Opinions, nothing substantial, Opinions violating the ABC's of Life and Allowing Slavery which is intrinsic Harm To Others and therefore Illegal, our Banks and monetary system are Illegal and Slavery.

There is NO NEED FOR DEPOPULATION. Though I would recommend Equality, Freedom and Eliminating all Theocracies on this planet, and upping everyone's standard of living, because only the poor and sharia type countires are going for over population.

reply to post by Unity_99


Unity, I don't mean to be mean here, but the Venus project is a crock of BS.

It's a utopia that will never work, nor ever exist. Some of it's ideas are wonderful and sure can be adopted, but the rest of it is kinda nonsense.

Their methods of implementations and sustainability are not logical.

~Tenth

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Really? I've known this is the way to live since I was able to talk, since childhood, and speak my inner truth. Any other system is SLAVERY and violates the most basic principles of Common Law, thou shalt not harm, so all our systems and opinions are illegal, and slavery.

The Venus Project is how all civilzations that are positive in this universe live.

Its basic.

Its simple, it uses what exists and there is only volunteering and high education to continue civlization. But no forcing.

No one owns the resources of this world, we all do. Equally.

All I see in that response is pure programming of a slave race.

Everyone should have land and their own homes and gardens like they do in Bali, and also, the advancements of the human race, and by that I mean clean techology should literally mean we don't have to live the way the Natives did for thousands of years, when they already lived their version of the Venus Project.

There are other things that make it a NECESSITY to adopt a system of prosperity over scarsity and murder of humanity. And anyone who supports this system will be answering to all who are without in it, face to face, going through all they did, literally. Their souls will not let them off the hook.

In a system of abundance without money or bartering, but giving and taking as needed and technology and sharing all the breakthroughs, nothing cannot be done. Anything, no matter how big the project, that is ethical and clean technology can be done, such as TIDE/WAVE energy, Geothermal, and Desalination. Cleaning all the waters of the planet and land. All projects are feasible, they just take a good team of volunteers.

No need for fossil fuels or any form of pollution.

We're beyond that.

Put need before greed - all problems solved.

Shortage of food? Grow to provide not profit.
Shortage of housing? Build to provide not profit.

You get my point.

Originally posted by Bone75
Poverty
Hunger
Homelessness

In general the choices involved in the chain of events that result in one living in poverty, being hungry or homeless are very much individual ones.

While these three things are indeed "issues" they are very much individual ones not something into which government should be mixed.

There are in some cases medical reasons for these issues and in those very limited circumstances I’d say a governmental safety net would be in order. However, let me caveat that with the thought that these social programs would be best funded, disbursed and managed at the local (city) or county level, and maybe even perhaps at State level but even at that scale the programs are mismanaged.

Private organizations are the only legitimate charity organizations and are as a general rule run more successfully and less expensively than any social safety nets provided by government. The reason local private charity works better than State and especially federal government programs is that the individuals who run the charity are protective of the assets and monies they disburse and they do it on a local level so that people know when they are disbursing funds to someone who has no intention of helping themselves. (Continuing the irresponsible behavior that landed them in the program to begin with.

A government bureaucrat is a poor steward of the public trust as his/her livelihood and promotion potential are linked directly to increasing the number of individuals on such programs and increase in the amounts disbursed and managed. See the food stamp adds on TV for evidence.

No government employee is going to get promoted for overseeing a decrease in spending even if that is a good thing. They are rewarded with larger spheres of influence and larger budgets for increasing their services not reducing them. Even if a decrease would be an indicator that the program was working as intended to stair step people out of poverty. In theory if welfare worked as intended the need for it and therefore people to manage it would decline over time and plateau at a minimum level – where is the incentive? Now a private charity relies on donations and volunteers and can do more with the same limited funds so they have an incentive to have less people on the roles not vice versa.

In conclusion of course, my first choice would be to have the governments at any level not play a role at all in either limiting a person’s ability to procreate (through any form of public funded birth control or abortion) or the intervention to mitigate the effects of their poor decision making (Be it in the form of health care, schooling, or any other programs not enumerated in the constitution). That is not the current environment.

However, since we are already in the role of the latter (providing aid and comfort) it seems the former (setting limits and restrictions) would also then be necessary.

As it stands now the government has assumed the role of the indulgent and forgiving Nanny who will assist these people and their innocent offspring as they do and continue to make poor choices over and over.

What we lack is the necessarily complimentary role of the rational decision making father who will impose discipline and set boundaries.

I contend that much like a family without both roles it is more likely to fail than not. A family with one or both parents who coddle, tolerate and even reward poor behavior without the opposite and equal role of that of a standard setting enforcer will soon be bankrupt (morally and financially).

The poor and ignorant (who I guess do not understand how babies are made) are indulged and forgiven and in some cases even rewarded (more money for each child) for their poor decision making under the guise of protecting the innocent children who they create. This is in the form of welfare, wic, food stamps, head start, free/reduced child care etc.

While at the same time there are virtually no limits upon those programs - "for the sake of the children". No one in their right mind wishes ill to a child – yet where does one draw the line? How much “aid” is too much and for how long should one be able to draw the “aid” – I contend that we have gone way too far. People can and do draw the aid forever and pass on that tendency to their often many and varied offspring.

Out of space will hit crime in another post.

reply to post by Unity_99


Listen, nobody is disputing the ideas are good.

But you're talking about a Utopia. It won't ever exist. There will ALWAYS be people who want to see the world burn as the famous line from Batman goes.

So you tell me, how do they implement the plan in the face of mass disobedience and ever changing opinions about how things should be done?

Anything you write after "I propose" will be invalid, because in the end, it's just all a theory until there are people who are actually living this way. Show me a fully functional Venus Project society and I will eat my words.

But to me it seems the Venus Project would have to implemented all in one go, total conversion from one system to another.

That's impossible.

ETA: I did not mean their ideas for energy production, habitat or anything was wrong, I stated the ideas were good and should be adopted however the over all "world peace", "One World" "No wars", "Everybody Thinks The Same" Is nonsense.

~Tenth

reply to post by DavidWillts


Go debunk yourself