Italian court officially recognizes vaccines cause autism.

reply to post by HappyBunny


I don't even bother posting in these threads anymore. You've got the right idea with pictures, but these idiots won't believe the possibility that vaccines just might be a good thing until they're in an iron lung, or everyone around them is hemorrhaging from black pox.

Originally posted by brianmg5

Originally posted by multidimesonalism
Something people have been trying to get into the light for years. I bet TPTB already know this truth which is why some vaccinations are required by law.

If I was TPTB and I wanted to depopulate the earth...I would try to convince the world that vaccines are bogus and actually make you sick!

Right, because since vaccines have been around for scarcely 150 years, all the people before that FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME would be gone.

Originally posted by ShadeWolf
reply to post by HappyBunny

 

I don't even bother posting in these threads anymore. You've got the right idea with pictures, but these idiots won't believe the possibility that vaccines just might be a good thing until they're in an iron lung, or everyone around them is hemorrhaging from black pox.

Like THAT ever happened before the smallpox vaccine.

My sister and I truly believe her son got autism from vaccinations. He was fine up until he received them, symptoms were noticed within weeks after.

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by glen200376

 

Basically because any child exposed to them has the potential to spread viruses / diseases. Therefore a vaccinated child could go home after school and pass the virus to a younger, unvaccinated child. This could lead to death. If that happened to my child because someone couldn't be bothered to vaccinate their child (or didn't agree with vaccination, or whatever), i would be seeking charges from the Police and CPS for manslaughter.

Make no mistake, the potential for serious illness being passed on is very real and present.

And again, i would reiterate, even simple operations carry the potential for death. Therefore anyone who isn't prepared to allow vaccination shouldn't be allowed operations either. The risk to health is far higher from operation than it is for vaccination.

But what if I allow you to dictate to me that my child MUST be vaccinated, and then as a direct result of the
vaccine my child dies...would I be afforded the same recourse as you?

Can I use CPS and the legal system to charge you with manslaughter?

If the answer is no, then you have no authority to dictate to me anything, as I have no recourse
against you if your are wrong and cause my child (or me) harm.

If the answer is yes, then so be it....we are each legally responsible for our action, or inaction.

But if that is the case, then why not simply act according to your own imperative, and leave others
to exercise their will to live their lives according to theirs?

What you seek is to control...and I say your authority begins and ends with you.

Errr.. Nevermind... I undertsand about a vaccinated child carrying the disease but not suffering the affects.

It's a good point, I just don't like being persuaded, at least fundamentally, by fear. I simply want a rational explanation why parents are convinced a vaccine has caused developmental problems in their children. No rational explanation, IMO, has been given other than a previous poster saying it's possible some of the vaccines are contaminated. If that's the case, I want to know if there's a way to test each individual vaccine before delivery into the patient.

The topic concerns me because this happened to a family very close to me. They were not at all the type to believe in conspiracy or deceitful media or a nefarious pharmaceutical industry. Now, well now they have opened their eyes and that has been a painful process to them. The mother blames herself for not knowing more, or doing more research before hand. She admits she had heard things, but never really thought their was any weight to it. Just like the article here, she said she noticed the change in the baby's temperament within just a few hours after the vaccine was given.

Sad, very sad.

I think we'd be in a much better world without the need of so many mandatory vaccines if parents would stop bringing their kids to school sick. Is the kid sick and is coughing unnaturally? Bring the kid to school and infect everyone else... That's how it always is and it's bothersome to get sick because of stubborn parents.

Maybe more schools should enforce the rule of "if your kid is sick, take him/her back because we don't want them" policy.

I have seen way too many bad things result from the MMR vaccine to not think it is dangerous. If this information is true, good on Italy.

And the pediatrician that wouldn't acknowledge it, is exactly what happens.

When a parent in my birth club had baby go into seizures, lose the use of her left side and had lesions on her brain, took the mother TEN months to get the neurologist to admit it was the MMR vaccine.

Makes you wonder who has the doctors so scared.

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by Ranong

 

Please get the MMR. Aside for anything else, you are endangering other children that go to the same school as your children by not getting it. Put it this way, if your kids went to the same school as my kids, i would be petitioning the school for the removal of your children until they either got the vaccine or went somewhere else.

Quite serious about that. The risks from vaccines are miniscule. The risks for mumps, measles and rubella are not.

Who would be at danger from a kid who is not vaccinated? The other kids who have had vaccines? How would they be in any danger if they have been given the vaccines?

Is it the other kids who have NOT had vaccines? They are the ones who ARE the danger by your logic, so they aren't IN danger.

This is the standard argument, and is only propped up by the culture of fear used to coerce people into the vaccination regimen.

If you believe vaccines are the answer, then you vaccinate your kids and then you have nothing to worry about.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
I have seen way too many bad things result from the MMR vaccine to not think it is dangerous. If this information is true, good on Italy.

And the pediatrician that wouldn't acknowledge it, is exactly what happens.

When a parent in my birth club had baby go into seizures, lose the use of her left side and had lesions on her brain, took the mother TEN months to get the neurologist to admit it was the MMR vaccine.

Makes you wonder who has the doctors so scared.

I know a 15 year old who had some vaccines and immediately came down with Crones disease. The worst case the nationally renowned pediatrician specialist had ever seen.

Another fallacy I think is that "complications from vaccines are soooo rare..." When you stop reading the media, and talk to PEOPLE, it is actually frightening how many bad reactions happen to people that go unreported.
Take a look at the following link. It's a link for people who wanted to report adverse reactions from the H1N1 vaccine. The vaccine had only been out for a few weeks too, AND this is ONLY in Ontario Canada, centered around Toronto. It is MIND BLOWING what some of these people were reporting. These are just everyday people posting on a forum, and again, such a small geographic location. Yes, a certain number will be blaming whatever on the vaccine, but actually, they are in the minority. Most of these people had VERY bad reactions. Take a look:
canadiansforhealthfreedom.wordpress.com...

Of particular interest is the sheer amount of people on this one forum who report stroke like symptoms over and over and over again. Which says to me, even if you get a vaccine and seem unscathed, it can't be good for you! Smoking causes health problems, but you smoke a cigarette and don't notice anything right away, do you?

reply to post by thebtheb


While doing some research on vaccines, the reactions of fever and pain at the injection site from the shot is pushed off by pediatricians as normal reactions and supposed to be common.

But the articles I researched said those aren't supposed to be "normal" reactions at all.

reply to post by djmarcone


If I might interject a thought as I can see you are a person solidly against vaccines and mean that to be all of them, there are two small points....

First, the unvaccinated ARE a threat to the vaccinated, at least to some degree. It's as indirect as anything but no less real and serious. How do you think illness behaves in a environment where some hosts are immune and some aren't? It might go to adapting in new ways?...and vaccines are rather specific in protection.

Second though, and said in a general way, not personal here. I'd be happy to see people be left alone to opt out of vaccination if they'd happily agree to the condition that they'd be subject to immediate quarantine upon testing positive for any of the vaccinated illnesses they ..declined... Fair is fair and if it's no threat it shouldn't be a likely thing to have happen, so why not?

I do wonder though....those arguing vaccines in a general way, does everyone decline and ignore tetanus shots too? It must be an interesting world to be in where any cut or puncture wound would end that way. After all, it's kind of a vaccine.

Originally posted by xstealth

Originally posted by OccamAssassin

At the moment, I'm not holding my breath because the source is questionable.

All you have to do is Google the case. The source I listed is from a *real* doctor as some people would say.

Here are more sources:
www.independent.co.uk... 7858596.html

www.dailymail.co.uk... -controversial-debate.html


If anyone speaks Italian, I'm sure they can provide many more sources.

Your OP stated quite clearly "media blackout" and yet here you add links to two media outlets. I have only got 4 responses into the thread and am already smelling the sweet scent of BS.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by djmarcone

 

If I might interject a thought as I can see you are a person solidly against vaccines and mean that to be all of them, there are two small points....

First, the unvaccinated ARE a threat to the vaccinated, at least to some degree. It's as indirect as anything but no less real and serious. How do you think illness behaves in a environment where some hosts are immune and some aren't? It might go to adapting in new ways?...and vaccines are rather specific in protection.

Second though, and said in a general way, not personal here. I'd be happy to see people be left alone to opt out of vaccination if they'd happily agree to the condition that they'd be subject to immediate quarantine upon testing positive for any of the vaccinated illnesses they ..declined... Fair is fair and if it's no threat it shouldn't be a likely thing to have happen, so why not?

I do wonder though....those arguing vaccines in a general way, does everyone decline and ignore tetanus shots too? It must be an interesting world to be in where any cut or puncture wound would end that way. After all, it's kind of a vaccine.

There are actually very good arguments for those who don't want to get vaccinated. GETTING things is what causes lifelong immunity with no side effects.Vaccines are not lifelong immunity. In fact, ultimately, they are fake immunity. When a child goes through childhood and GETS a few things, you will almost always notice a healthy adult who doesn't come down with very bad flus, etc. The number of kids who make it to 4 or 5 without getting ANYTHING, so often when they finally do get something, get as sick as a dog, because their immune system has never had a change to exercise itself. For those who choose not to get vaccines, they ALSO DO IT FOR HEALTH REASONS AND TO PROTECT themselves. People who gets things once in awhile are much more likely to be able to fight off a pandemic flu than people who have been vaccinated against everything - the people who have been vaccinated against everything will be SCREWED unless they have a vaccine for whatever new illness.Thus they could actually be indirectly responsible for carrying it around and spreading it too. You're going to say that's lousy logic, but it's no worse than yours whatsoever.

I don't insist that everyone else NOT get vaccines. So my new idea: you and your vaccine happy family can go live on your own continent.

And again, I bring up my point about quarantine: since freshly vaccinated people SHED THE VIRUS THEY WERE VACCINATED FOR FOR 72 HOURS TO TWO WEEKS, you should get quarantined.

reply to post by Flavian

Hmmm.... I had the measles, the German measles (rubella) and twice had the chicken pox.... and my mother was a fanatic about our shots! The measles I had in the fifth grade. There were five other kids in my family who never got it. Can't be that contagious if my overworked mother with a houseful of kids could keep them all from getting it! She was in and out of my room and with the other kids ALL day long.

reply to post by thebtheb

You'd even find me agreeing with arguments against many MANY of the shots given now. I wasn't stuck for dozens of things when I was a kid. I'd recently read where the number of things thrown into the cocktails has just multiplied.

..and we have problems... Well,, I'm not saying there's a connection myself but.. Hey.. We don't disagree on some main points.

I just find the benefits to far outweigh any % of bad effects on the CORE diseases. It seems vaccinating for horrible killers has crept into vaccinating for anything medical technology allows...and it's likely led to horrors here. Just my thoughts....and my Son is autistic if I hadn't mentioned that. It's not purely academic to me...I really care. I'd just hate to see him have missed autism to die young from Whooping Cough or Small Pox. There must be a sane solution to use the best and dump the kitchen sink from the approach.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


What I have a problem with is that vaccines are mandatory but you are not allowed to sue the pharmaceutical companies for reactions.

I don't think all vaccines are bad, but not all are good. Some work, some don't.

Some are purely money making like the chicken pox vaccine.

The chicken pox vax started killing more people than it saved, because nothing beats the immunity of actually getting the disease. So when older adults are not around kids who have the chix pox, their immunity isn't boosted and they started dieing from shingles.

The answer?

yet another vaccine for just seniors. Making Merck ...billions.

Another issue is the age they are given. children's immunse systems dont' mature till at least 2 years of age. Yet we bombard them with dozens of vaccines by that age.

An adult? No problem. Vax away. Get tetanus. But I have a problem with giving a baby a vaccine 2 hours after they are born.

reply to post by rival


The biggest problem you'll have is proving the vaccine was the cause. On top of that, most manufactures of vaccines are shielded from being sued in the USA via the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

mercola.com

This program has boosted vaccine sales growth immensely -- by 2015 it’s estimated that vaccinations will morph into a $21.5-billion industry -- largely because they have ZERO liability for the products they produce.

If a child becomes seriously injured or even dies after receiving a vaccine, the vaccine makers are completely shielded -- and IF they are ever awarded compensation through NVICP, it is the taxpayers who pay, not the vaccine makers.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by thebtheb

 

You'd even find me agreeing with arguments against many MANY of the shots given now. I wasn't stuck for dozens of things when I was a kid. I'd recently read where the number of things thrown into the cocktails has just multiplied.

..and we have problems... Well,, I'm not saying there's a connection myself but.. Hey.. We don't disagree on some main points.

I just find the benefits to far outweigh any % of bad effects on the CORE diseases. It seems vaccinating for horrible killers has crept into vaccinating for anything medical technology allows...and it's likely led to horrors here. Just my thoughts....and my Son is autistic if I hadn't mentioned that. It's not purely academic to me...I really care. I'd just hate to see him have missed autism to die young from Whooping Cough or Small Pox. There must be a sane solution to use the best and dump the kitchen sink from the approach.

I understand your position and you explain it well. I still don't agree on the core diseases thing though, as yes, I am one of the people that believes in all cases, they were already on their way out. Every disease man has ever had has left on its own. Core ones like measles, mumps etc. don't kill most people so I don't see the big deal if people get them.

If anything, what instead of trying to prevent them through chemical means and toying with our bodies, something I do NOT trust they have fully figured out, they should be working on things to treat diseases people do have.

Oh wait, there IS something that will get rid of almost any flu or infectious disease very quickly when administered properly, but no one wants to know about it: extremely high dose vitamin C. Robert Cathcart maintains that given intravenously to even Ebola patients, that they would survive. If you take enough of it in the middle of a bad cold, you would be shocked at how the cold disappears in hours. Try THAT a couple of times like I have, and you won't feel the need for vaccines.