Gates Foundation Depopulation Summit Demands Global Approval

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Obama didn't say that at all. He said "end of life care" which means the person is in the process of dying. He was not talking about the old lady with a pacemaker, she was not dying, she is just old. He was speaking on the exact type of situation that I spoke of above.

In medicine, end-of-life care refers to medical care not only of patients in the final hours or days of their lives, but more broadly, medical care of all those with a terminal illness or terminal condition that has become advanced, progressive and incurable.

en.wikipedia.org...

SO they are going to instill this on European people? We already have the lowest birth rate in the world, as most Europeans will only have 2 children and make up less then 8% of the global population.
Why don't they use this on countries in Africa and Asia where they breed like cockroaches.

Originally posted by Annee

Don't ya just Love the dramatics?

Then they have to bring in some extremist (of which every viewpoint has one ).

Hey! Let's bring in Octomom - - who has too many children she doesn't know what to do.

Ah so you want to FORCE your views and others, but you don't want to take any personal responsibility yourself for the problems you claim are happening...

Who loves the dramatic is you, by siding with these maniacs who think they have the right to use any, and every way to "depopulate" Earth...

But of course people like you, who agree and demand for these plans made by the world elites to be implemented will continue to claim "it is for the good of all, and the good of the planet"... Just like that cult I explained about whose members decide to commit suicide and the other members eat those who suicide...

This world is in so much trouble in great part because of this way of thinking YOU, and the elites have...

You all sit in your arm-chair for generals thinking that you know what is best for everyone, and the world, and to you it doesn't matter that people are forced to do things against their will...

This is nothing more than a power trip, from power hungry individuals who claim they think like this "for the bettermnet of the world, and people"...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Ah so you want to FORCE your views and others, but you don't want to take any personal responsibility yourself for the problems you claim are happening...

Hypocrisy.

Who loves the dramatic is you, by siding with these maniacs who think they have the right to use any, and every way to "depopulate" Earth...

Blatant lie. If the elite wanted to depopulate by any means necessary, it would take a very short time. There are more than a few ways I can imagine which would accomplish this in less than a week.

But of course people like you, who agree and demand for these plans made by the world elites to be implemented will continue to claim "it is for the good of all, and the good of the planet"... Just like that cult I explained about whose members decide to commit suicide and the other members eat those who suicide...

Why are you bringing up these mentally ill people? It's irrelevant. There are mentally ill people who are fanatical about all sorts of different things. You know, a case could be made that your view of the elite as evil scum is a sign of mental illness as well.

This world is in so much trouble in great part because of this way of thinking YOU, and the elites have...

You all sit in your arm-chair for generals thinking that you know what is best for everyone, and the world, and to you it doesn't matter that people are forced to do things against their will...

This is nothing more than a power trip, from power hungry individuals who claim they think like this "for the bettermnet of the world, and people"...

The world's troubles are highly complex. There is no single solution for all of our problems besides population reduction. This is what many great minds realize with clarity. It's something that takes a very rational thought process. You have to temporarily place your empathy aside in order to see it. It doesn't mean that these individuals are merely power hungry, or mentally ill, it means they're capable of controlling their emotions to do what is best when they must. It's said that the hero and the psychopath are twigs on the same branch. Perhaps this is why you see them as the latter.

I have already stated my position, and said that forcing people to do things against their will is the last option I'd be okay with. It's not something I dream about, or something I desire in my heart..it's something I contemplate from time to time, because I'm ALWAYS thinking about global issues like this, at least in the back of my mind.

IT PAINS ME to think like this. I feel disgusted with myself, and the world for having come to this point in the first place....but I learn to find some COMPASSION and forgive myself, and the world around me. I realize that this isn't the first time our species has been in a crunch, and it's likely not the last.

I'm still wondering what your viable alternatives are, if you actually have any. I earlier asked you if you had been to Africa. I will answer my question and state that I haven't myself. I did, however, speak with an individual from a nation which I can't remember, though it was in the continent of Africa, two weeks ago now. We were fumbling through a variety of topics, and he started to compare things of this country to his own. He said not to worry about the economy here...it was like a dream to him. He told me his country had 97% unemployment. I was shocked, and asked him how there was any stable central planning. He said there was virtually none. He also said crime, and specifically rape, plus disease was at insane levels.

You see what I'm getting at? We have good people of all sorts trying to help out in places like this. We have missionaries, we have philanthropists, we have tons and tons of programs trying to help people who are honestly incapable of helping their selves. Many who go to help die trying. It IS compassionate to help these people help their selves by means of curbing the growth of population in these areas. The definition of compassion is the desire to alleviate the suffering of another. How is it not applicable here?

I have only spoken about Africa. There's places in Asia, and Latin America that are struggling pretty bad as well. It's just horrible what's going on.

Don't think I don't know that the corporations rape the lands. They steal the resources, and cause a plummeting of standards of living. That's a reality as well. It seems the World Bank and IMF are a part of this scam. You are correct that pharmaceutical industries are doing some highly unethical things. There is so much corruption out there it's beyond bizarre.

There's simply A LOT going on at once, and focusing on any one angle will only leave an incomplete picture. Someone earlier said what about Gates, or Turner having so many resources...they should be the first to go. Well, following that logic, what about Americans in general?

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What about the fact the the US consumes about 1/4 of the worlds resources?! I thought you were against socialism? Are we going to be capitalists, or something else here? Are we going to allow people to excel, and be incentivized for their efforts, or not? Are we going to have awesome places to live in the world, and slums, or all just semi-okay worldwide?

What is the viable solution you offer? I'm all ears? Hold hands, scream at the elite, and act like we're causing any good out of it? Been there, done that...nothing happened. Too much going on, too few who are aware enough to truly form any lasting change.

I'm not causing this to happen. I'm observing, and reporting. I have dedicated the last decade of my life to trying to rid the world of all the imperfections as I saw fit. I have lost the majority of my "friends" for being so damned idealistic, and such a strong activist. I have estranged my family time and time again with my rants. I have took in a lot of hooey on these sites, and wasted years of my life. Yet I'm merely power hungry in your mind?

I'm sorry, you're incorrect.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Who loves the dramatic is you, by siding with these maniacs who think they have the right to use any, and every way to "depopulate" Earth...

Now resorting to name calling of those who have viewpoints that differ from yours.

reply to post by unityemissions


And you keep with your LIES?... You have presented NO EVIDENCE AT ALL, meanwhile I have posted PLENTY of evidence that corroborates my arguments, and you want to insult my intelligence for not agreeing with you, which are the only sort of tactics people like you have...

If you are not going to present ANY real evidence stay out of the thread, it is that simple. You are trying to derail the thread, you keep using ad hominems, and strawmans and you claim your lies are arguments...

Get a life, and go bother other people in other threads with your LIES...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Seriously, no evidence?

Okay, I'm done.

I was trying to help YOU.

Take care.

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
SO they are going to instill this on European people? We already have the lowest birth rate in the world, as most Europeans will only have 2 children and make up less then 8% of the global population.
Why don't they use this on countries in Africa and Asia where they breed like cockroaches.

Did you know the more educated a woman is - - the fewer children she has? (statistically) And may choose no children.

I think its China that many women are choosing not to marry or have children.

Anyone who wants to depopulate the earth should set a good example by killing themselves. If you want to feel high and mighty and make the choice of who gets to live and who gets to die, then you aren't a human being. Your last name may as well be Mengele. So kill yourself, Bill Gates, and take your wife with you.

reply to post by unityemissions


Again, begin be sterelizing YOURSELF, and those who agree with you. You can also off yourself, and this will help the planet....

Please go ahead and do it already... But of course won't, you want to FORCE your views on others instead...

Yeah, very compassionate indeed...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I don't get it? Even though the article uses words like Propaganda and Coerce, all I'm reading is family planning and contraceptives. What's wrong with that? I had a vasectomy at a family clinic in the U.S. Why shouldn't the people of other countries have such options?

Originally posted by unityemissions

Seriously, no evidence?

Okay, I'm done.

I was trying to help YOU.

Take care.

Trying to help me by claiming I am lying meanwhile all the evidence I keep posting CORROBORATES my arguments?...

Trying to help me when all you have done is using ad hominems, and strawman arguments meanwhile you present YOUR VIEWS/OPINION as evidence when in fact you have been proven time and again to be wrong?...

Please go ahead and leave already, and don't let the door hit you in the way out...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


You are, of course, assuming here

I have no children.

I did want to have a child in recent years, but have been thinking against it.

Again, 2.3 on average is what's needed to replace the last generation.

Please don't put words in my mouth.

Hopefully, it will never come down to mass forced sterilizations or worse.

If that day comes, I may choose to off myself. I have already decided if I'm sufficiently handicapped, I will pull the plug or take a quick death pill.

Please quit assuming I'm just some horrible evil individual.

Originally posted by jiggerj

I don't get it? Even though the article uses words like Propaganda and Coerce, all I'm reading is family planning and contraceptives. What's wrong with that? I had a vasectomy at a family clinic in the U.S. Why shouldn't the people of other countries have such options?

Didn't yout read, or listen to the other evidence I presented?

Please read everything before making a comment.

Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Seriously, no evidence?

Okay, I'm done.

I was trying to help YOU.

Take care.

EU sounds like my husband's 90 year old gramma.

She thinks its all hooey too. God provides.

If you mention there are people who starve to death. Her answer is "God's plan" or they are not of the right faith.

Originally posted by Annee

Did you know the more educated a woman is - - the fewer children she has? (statistically) And may choose no children.

I think its China that many women are choosing not to marry or have children.

Wow... you surely love to lie... There are PLENTY of women who have children and are educated, even more educated than you...

You make up lies and expect people to accept them as truth...

You are so wrong it is not even funny... In China the government forces people to have only one child... Many families, and women leave the cities to try to save their children...

Chinese mothers forced to flee to U.S. to give birth


by Kristi Burton Brown

Fri Mar 02, 2012 16:22 EST

March 2, 2012 (LiveAction.org) - Jenny Liu of the Epoch Times interviewed three Chinese couples who were forced to flee to the United States to save their babies. For all three of the couples, the babies they wanted to save were second children and deemed “illegal” and “out-of-plan” by China.

In order to enforce their long-standing One Child Policy, China slaps heavy fines on parents who have out-of-plan pregnancies. Or, if the parents are too poor to pay, forced abortions are the order of the day. Women are dragged into clinics and their babies are violently taken from their wombs if they do not voluntarily submit.

Though it’s a difficult and harrowing task to escape Chinese authorities, some mothers are able to flee outside the country—including to the U.S.—to give birth to their babies.
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www.lifesitenews.com...

It's amazing how the pro-abortion crowd make up lies for people to accept their views, and if people don't accept willingly they FORCE their will on people...

Feng, 22 years old and seven months pregnant, was dragged out of her relative’s home, carried and shoved into a van that headed straight to a hospital on June 2, she told NBC News in phone interview.

She was blindfolded, thrown on a bed, and forced to sign a document that she couldn’t read with the blindfold still on her eyes. Then two shots were injected into her belly. Thirty hours later, on the morning June 4, she gave birth to a dead baby girl.
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Feng is one of the many Chinese women who have been forced to have abortions under China’s strict one-child-only policy started in late 1970s to contain the country’s fast growing population, which has now topped 1.3 billion people.

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One-child policy
China’s long time Communist leader Chairman Mao Zedong originally encouraged women to have as many children as possible during the Cold War-era when human power was believed to be an important force if war broke out. But the country’s rulers soon found it too difficult to feed the huge population – so they adopted a harsh policy that allows urban citizens to have only one child, and rural couples to have two, if the first child is a girl.

The policy has been carried out for more than three decades despite public opposition, from human rights activists to ordinary people. Thousands of years of Chinese culture fostered the belief that “more children is more blessing,” especially in remote and rural areas where the elderly lack adequate social benefits and depend on children as they grow old.
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behindthewall.msnbc.msn.com...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Wow... you surely love to lie... There are PLENTY of women who have children and are educated, even more educated than you...

Where did I say educated women do not have children?

Again - - - with the insults - - tsk tsk - - guess you can't help yourself.

Originally posted by Annee

EU sounds like my husband's 90 year old gramma.

She thinks its all hooey too. God provides.

If you mention there are people who starve to death. Her answer is "God's plan" or they are not of the right faith.

And you, and your believers sound like Hitler and other eugenicists claiming "it is the good for all" to excuse your maccabre views...

Amazing, people are starving and your solution is to FORCEBLY sterilize people, among your other inhumane views...

And like always you don't present ANY evidence to back your maccabre views...

Perhaps you can't understand the concept because it is too much for your closed mind, but it ia a fact that with higher levels of atmopsheric CO2 than at present most plant life, and trees grow more, and produce more yields... Not to mention that the higher the atmopsheirc CO2 level the better use of water that plants make, leaving more potable water for people and animals...

...
Successful indoor growers implement methods to increase CO2 concentrations in their enclosure. The typical outdoor air we breathe contains 0.03 - 0.045% (300 - 450 ppm) CO2. Research demonstrates that optimum growth and production for most plants occur between 1200 - 1500 ppm CO2. These optimum CO2 levels can boost plant metabolism, growth and yield by 25 - 60%.
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www.planetnatural.com...

But the "believers" of the world elites, and their lies about AGW have as a solution FORCING people to do the will of these maniacs...

These people like Annee, the Gates, Rockefeller etc, Instead of demanding for more harvests, and for governments to start allowing farmers to use water to irrigate the fields that have been drying up for years now because the government is stopping the water from reaching many farms...

Or what about the fact that the government in the U.S., at least, is going after regular people who have small harvests and are banning these gardens. Or the fact that the government claims that all water that falls on your land from rain belongs to the government....and that no civilian is allowed to store rain water...

Naaa, instead people like Annee, the Gates, Rockefeller and world elites among others want to FORCE people into accepting their views on abortion... They want to FORCE people in third countries to become steril... And you think they just want this to happen in third world nations?... It is going to happen to every country eventually...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

You are so wrong it is not even funny... In China the government forces people to have only one child... Many families, and women leave the cities to try to save their children...

First off - - - law LIMITS each couple to one child. It is the law of their country. They do not Force anyone to have a child.

A friend married a Chinese woman he met on the Internet (FOB). I had some very interesting one-on-one conversations with her. You have to apply for a license to have a child. If you have a child without obtaining a license - - you are breaking the law. (this may be only in major cities).

Also - - if you want to move or change jobs - - you have to apply and register your new location. Different provinces have different laws. In the some rural provinces law allows 2 or 3 children. Some remote locations are not affected by the child law.

Gender ultrasounds are illegal - - but continue. Gender abortions are illegal - - but continue.

What is your take on illegal immigration? Do you support illegals coming into America for better jobs and schools for their children?