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Occupiers Celebrate 4th of July by…Burning American Flags and Vandalizing Police Property

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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:09 PM
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Are you under the impression 'blac bloc' originated with Occupy? It didnt. It's been around for decades, and originated in Europe.


It’s a TACTIC!! Did I say Occupy invented it?

My point is that this TACTIC is being used by Occupy! No longer will I hear this BS that Occupy isn’t to blame for the violence and destruction we’ve seen. As Kali pointed out, Black Bloc isn’t a group….it’s a tactic used by some within the Occupy movement!

You people can no longer deflect blame for the atrocities that occur at almost EVERY Occupy rally!

Stop lying and OWN IT!! Occupy is doing these things….not the mythical Black Bloc!




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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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This should answer your question.





Another Right, Just like burning Flags............


The Tea Party's Protect their own. I believe those Tactics only work, when the known Idea of the Police, and Regular OWS Protesters,are NOT going to do anything . Arrest, is the worst thing that will happen. Tea Party members, with Guns is an X Factor.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

The Tea Party's Protect their own. I believe those Tactics only work, when the known Idea of the Police, and Regular OWS Protesters,are NOT going to do anything . Arrest, is the worst thing that will happen. Tea Party members, with Guns is an X Factor.


What, specifically, did the 'tea party' (brought to you by FreedomWorks) accomplish with their protests?



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by stanguilles7
 



Are you under the impression 'blac bloc' originated with Occupy? It didnt. It's been around for decades, and originated in Europe.


It’s a TACTIC!! Did I say Occupy invented it?

My point is that this TACTIC is being used by Occupy! No longer will I hear this BS that Occupy isn’t to blame for the violence and destruction we’ve seen. As Kali pointed out, Black Bloc isn’t a group….it’s a tactic used by some within the Occupy movement!


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It's a tactic used by a small minority of people who claim to be part of 'occupy'. It is also a tactic opposed by the vast majority of those associated with Occupy.

Your attempt at character assassination of a group of hundreds of thousands by the actions of three or four agent provocateurs and cops is pathetic. You have no interest in educated debate. You are a troll.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:16 PM
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What, specifically, did the 'tea party' (brought to you by FreedomWorks) accomplish with their protests?


It raised awareness and gave birth to the liberal Occupy movement.

It’s also gained many congressional seats and governorships.

It’s going to gain even more in a few short months!



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:18 PM
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It's a tactic used by a small minority of people who claim to be part of 'occupy'. It is also a tactic opposed by the vast majority of those associated with Occupy.


Why are they not present at Tea Party rallies??


Why not??

Maybe because this is a tactic only employed by the anarchists and Marxist-types that frequent Occupy?



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
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Do you believe Blac Bloc tactics could infiltrate a Tea Party Rally ? Why hasn't Blac Bloc Tactics been used at ANY Tea Party Rallies ?


Serious question......


Since you CLAIM it's a serious question, i will answer seriously;

Because the 'protest' of the 'tea party' was pretty much entirely coordinated from the top down by major GOP organizations like FreedomWorks and FOX news, and sought no real substantive systemic change. They just stood around with signs and listened to speeches from GOP operatives like Dick army, then went out and voted in a bunch of partisan republicans who ushered in bug government laws like NDAA. It contained no 'radical' elements like traditional left wing protest, with people trying to fundamentally change the system.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
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It's a tactic used by a small minority of people who claim to be part of 'occupy'. It is also a tactic opposed by the vast majority of those associated with Occupy.


Why are they not present at Tea Party rallies??


Why not??

Maybe because this is a tactic only employed by the anarchists and Marxist-types that frequent Occupy?



Actually, as I already provided copious evidence for, ive proven to you its a tactic used by the COPS to discredit a larger movement. I notice you totally and completely ignored that entire point. The PTB seek to discredit popular protest that seeks to remove the status quo from power. The Tea Party never siguht systemic change. They just dressed up in tricorn hats and re-elected big government partisan republicans. No need to infiltrate them. They are already infiltrated.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:23 PM
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It contained no 'radical' elements like traditional left wing protest, with people trying to fundamentally change the system.


THANK YOU!!! This is like a candy store….I keep getting fed treats!

Occupy wants to fundamentally change America (where have I heard that before….Obama?) while the Tea Party wants to FIX the system. You summed it up!


And which POTUS signed NDAA??



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:24 PM
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Another post trying to blame a whole group for the actions of a few. It's like blaming all Christians for the those that burn down a Planned Parenthood. It's like blaming all white Americans for the actions of the KKK. It's like blaming all Texans for Rick "Good Hair" Perry.

The actions of one or a few do not define the group as a whole. Otherwise David Duke would represent all conservatives and Al Sharpton would represent all liberals.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by sonnny1

The Tea Party's Protect their own. I believe those Tactics only work, when the known Idea of the Police, and Regular OWS Protesters,are NOT going to do anything . Arrest, is the worst thing that will happen. Tea Party members, with Guns is an X Factor.


What, specifically, did the 'tea party' (brought to you by FreedomWorks) accomplish with their protests?



I was at ORIGINAL Tea Party Rallies BEFORE they were taken over. My states unemployment is at 6.8.

People wanted change in my state. They got it.

When I was at the OWS rally in Milwaukee, people wanted Jobs. The inner cities are in desperate need. Its a slow process,but NO Blac Bloc tactics needed. It was peaceful. BTW, the UNIONS infiltrated that OWS rally also. They had anti-Walker ads,and were hyping the protesters. Barrett, who ran for Governor, is the Mayor of the City. Unemployment in the city is at 7.4%. Wonder why he didn't get elected ?







edit on 7-7-2012 by sonnny1 because: u answered the question



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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Actually, as I already provided copious evidence for, ive proven to you its a tactic used by the COPS to discredit a larger movement. I notice you totally and completely ignored that entire point.


Great….then why were they not at Tea Party rallies??

The Tea Party has had over a million people at rallies! If TPTB wanted to cause trouble that would have been a great place, no? They could have instigated trouble and discredited conservatives at the same time!



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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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I find it quite hypocritical of the OP to lam-blast others about violence, and on many other threads he is in support of violence when it comes to our military killing and murdering people in other countries.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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I find it quite hypocritical of the OP to lam-blast others about violence, and on many other threads he is in support of violence when it comes to our military killing and murdering people in other countries.


Prove it! When have I supported or advocated for the US military committing violence?

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posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Are you in support of the wars that have taken place and more to come that the criminal cockroaches in our government are behind? In a few of the Iran threads, you were in complete support of us having them surrounded and ok with attacking them should they defend themselves.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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WHY the personal attacks ?




posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 01:02 PM
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How is it an attack to question the OP on his disdain for violence and yet supports it when it comes to wars.
I'd like him to reconcile that for me.


Originally posted by sonnny1
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WHY the personal attacks ?




posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 01:26 PM
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Well said!!

People should be standing behind what is morally and spiritually correct and call it out when they see injustices and criminal behavior being committed by their government, as is happening with ours.

The real hero's of ones country are the one's that stand up and point out the injustices being committed. Not the majority that follow along, right or wrong, such as was definitely the case in Hitler's Germany, for example.



Originally posted by RealSpoke
I don't really get why burning flags upsets people. Patriotism is a bad thing in my eyes, it means taking nationality at a higher importance than humanity. It is the line of thought that encourages imperialism.



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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I think that most of us are upset about the corporate sell out of America. America stood for freedom to the rest of the world. Now it seems America today is an example of the extremes of materialism and commercialism. When this country was founded it was a place where people could be free to do as they please. The constitution was created so that people could be free without violating others rights. Of course their have been the struggles of this country such as slavery and the civil rights movement. America has never been perfect, but it has been an idea of inspiration to the rest of the world.

We cannot continue to put business gains over the human and environmental needs. That's what has happened though. Money has allowed an incentive to do the wrong thing and still get rewarded. It really comes down to the individual making the right choice to stand up for freedom and justice. This has been prevented from happening because money has become the tool for the few and corrupt to avoid the light of truth and transparency of the masses.

People have been mislead and we are consistently being shut down or disable from any real change. On top of that the economic crisis that surely could have been avoided has further crippled the American public and the voice of the people. We need unification. We need to stand together and demand that human interest and the environment always come first. We need to take action.

What a transitional society like America needs is a revolution with a clear unified message and a zero tolerance of violence and destructive behavior. Remember united we stand? The OWS movement is on the right track in many ways but lacks leadership. It is time to give the voice back to the people and for them to question authority. We can make a change but we have to stand together and look for solutions and whats going to work. A non violent revolution is the only way to be taking seriously with a clear and consistent message. We the people are mad as hell with our government and we are not going to take it anymore.

All these corrupted individuals will be brought to justice. Their will be no way they can buy their way out. Its time to take back the country!



posted on Jul, 7 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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No Black Bloc wouldn't be a necessary tactic for the Tea Party, mainly because TPM doesn't engage in civil disobedience.



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